Stop trying to get out of your hole, you inferred it would take ten years. STUPID.

The US will not be there ten years and it will take more than 10 years to change Iraq.

Why do you insist on thinking that everyone wants to be "American" they might want to come to the US from poor countries to work but if you noticed a lot bring their own culture, religion and practises. Muslims in New York are stil Muslims.

Have you ever been out of the hick town you live in?

In the US...people have the choice of joining the Armed Forces...or not...freedom of choice.

For qualified people not the grunts that fight in armies. you know guys like you.

theKing:

I'm going to tell your Momma you said that about Charly! :uhoh


Yes.. now you just play the game and no cheating like before or I'm not playing! :Grrrrrr

Agreed. You can stay at home and stand on the corner waiting for a welfare check, work on Dads farm or go overseas and kill people.

Freedom of choice. :thumbsup

Do you think his Mum is going to be surprised.

Would his Mum be Pathfinders wife or Mum?

Sorry klonk, I have to go play with my two year old. Develope her mind.

So she can think for herself.

Hang on this will fly right over his head "Think for himself" :1orglaugh

Clueless old man...I made a flat statement...you made the inferrence. I have stated in more than one post that...in my opinion...it would take at least a generation if not two...to have a truly stable Democracy.

I personally believe that the US will have a presence in Iraq for an infinite period of time. The history of the US is one of...once introducing troops into an AO...of continuing to have a military presence in the AO. Look around the world cluless. The US has a military presence in a large part of the world and has had since the Second World War.

Quote where I have ever made any such statement...or quit your fucking lying...cluless.



Just FYI cluless...yes.

Are you speaking from any kind of experience or simple conjecture?

I think you are uninformed.

In truth, the number one mantra in the miltary for the last 20+ years has been "safety first". This requires the ability to observe, analyze, and to act on your own decisions.

In fact, military personnel are trained to think for themselves and to adapt to unique situations and handle them appropriately.

I'm not sure what you mean when you say "free thinking people".

Are you talking about people who refuse to cooperate with others? People who go to extremes to "not conform", when they are simply conforming to a different set of requirements?

Maybe you mean people who refuse to give up a little bit of their own freedom and uniqueness for the benefit of others?

It's funny how those who fancy themselves free thinkers seem to all have the same opinions.:1orglaugh

charly:

:1orglaugh

I can't help think that the level of any capacity to "think" has passed some by.

We got this person who actually created a thread entitled "Americans are answering the call" and sat watching a load of "face" on "C-Span and the Generals testifying before the House Armed Services Committee" and then comes along to GFY to update the world.

This "updating" means, least in his eyes, the "changing of the will" or destruction of nations.

This kinda dialogue along with the rest of that junk talk leaves me in no doubt this is one real sick critter who must have been aborted and survived, or, failing that, - is a product of one *very* sick society.

I wonder if he has many friends cos all I here is how "powerful" he is all about his enemies and how he is gonna change nations and attack em...

That is one very sad pile of old shit that needs washing away...

He prolly assumes that because of the millions of people yearly coming across the borders or long boatrides to get here and get out of their own countries :P

Tho I must say this thread seems a tad stupid to begin with.

nuclei:

That statement alone shows how utterly STUPID this thing is - forgetting the brainwashed arrogance!

That is the sad thing about the ignorant - they assume an arrogance and "knowledge" that shows badly....

TheKing:

I don't agree with everything you have written, but I love the fact that you and I can discuss ideas, and not degrade.

At least you don't rewrite other people's post to further your own position. Not to mention rewriting history.

I reread this thread several times, trying to find where Webby got this:

"I wonder if he has many friends cos all I here is how "powerful" he is all about his enemies and how he is gonna change nations and attack em..."

Evidently, Webby has little to no reading comprehension skills.

Webby: "Aborted and survived"? Think about that statement when you go to sleep tonight.

Took the words right out of my mouth.
Plus, there is such a heavy % of the recruits being "soliders of color" too. For so many minorities with no education or job training (or very little) with no real hope for good employment, this seems like a decent way to go. Heck, for alot..it's the ONLY option left them.

the economy is in the shitter right now It's showing signs of getting better but it's still bad. During any time of economic down turn enlistment rises. I remeber about 7 or so years ago when the economy was rocking they had tons and tons of ads for the military on TV all the time because they couldn't get enough people to enlist because they could get better jobs. I think a lot of people come out of high school and decide they don't want to work at some shitty minimum wage job so they join the military for 4 years, and get the GI bill.

If you think people are RUSHING to enlist because they FERVENTLY believe in the Iraqi war..you are indeed dillusional.

The military is the only dead end option left for so many in today's economy. They're not thinking "God, I want to fight for my country" as much as they are thinking, "Food, clothing, shelter," and hopefully some training they can use when they get out!

Yes..you ARE dellusional!!

So I guess you're going to tell me next that the Iraqis are enemies of America?

What did they do to us then?

Strongly suggest you get one and quit living on this message board because you are TRULY losing it! :1orglaugh

What do you mean 10 years from now? Your beloved leader has told us that we are turning the government over to the Iraqis this June!

You saying all knowing Bush is wrong?

fusionx:

Now remember what teacher said... you gotta do your homework.

Random words/phrases.... read and see the thread and meaning!

"Gotta love American patriots who are willing to make the ultimate sacrifice.... more than willing to kill ..... Muslim nation would be turned into a Democracy ... Dismissed...Danny Boy .... America did turn a nation ...into a very strong Democratic government in about five years ... Attempt to change the will of an enemy or destroy them... The first option is more difficult than the second option .... destruction in a massive way will be the next response.... choice of joining the Armed Forces ... US will have a presence in Iraq for an infinite period of time ..."

Stuff that lot in a word density analyser if you must - All it boils down to is the ramblings of a total deviant on:

Go to bed for fuck's sake and give your parents a break! :1orglaugh

quick point of fact here:

we've been there for alot longer than ten years already. It's certainly safe to assume we'll be there for a lot longer than another ten years. Along with many other places around the globe.

i.e. Korea.

this has been an Amp service announcement. You will now be returned to your regularly scheduled pissing and moaning.

You've been nipping at your Thunderbird bottle again haven't you. Can always tell when you're drunk...well, not always..sometimes you're just as dumb when you're sober.

Japan is not..was not..IRAQ. You've used the same stupid argument over and over again and fail to recognize the HUGE difference in these two societies.

It's one VERY stupid argument to make.

Then get yourself into rehab, get off the booze and pills and get one of these idiot jobs then! God knows..you need SOMETHING other than these narcotics to keep you busy!

:1orglaugh

Amputate Your Head:

You think?? I think not.

That era is over - Arabs nations don't want to even see an "American" in their back yards - they are likely to get blown up.

A few more months and others will be cleaning up the garbage left in that region after yet another failed adventure....

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

isn't really about "what they want". There's no way in hell the US is going to leave that region in an unstable condition. You got Iraq which is all fucked up right now, you got Afghanistan which is even more fucked up, and you got countries like Kuwait which are our allies that we're not about to abandon and leave to the wolves.

We've got fresh troops shipping out and headed there every week. I've got family members going to both Iraq & Afghanistan in the next couple months. Their tours of duty are 1 year minimum.

This is long range stuff man. I'd be surprised if we were out of that area of the world within the next 100 years.

It's pretty much just a fact of life now. The Arabs may not like it, but honestly, there isn't a damn thing they can do about it.

Indeed...and it's so easy to call former allies the new wolves as well, when all else fails :)

You're probably right..as far as the Arabs not being able to do anything about it. But like in Vietnam, eventually the American people will get fed up with this and the politicos will FINALLY realize the tide has turned against them.

I can only hope that it happens MUCH faster than Nam.

I...on the other hand...being a loyal American...do not wish my country ill will and I hope my country suceeds...in its efforts.:321GFY

I really don't think Vietnam could be reproduced today. That was a unique set of circumstances. So I seriously doubt that scenario will ever happen anywhere else, let alone Iraq. (maybe Korea someday)

anyway, I didn't intend to debate this tonight, just wanted to throw in my 2 cents about charly's ten year thing. If you guys wanna beat up on theking, go for it, I don't much care for him either. He's a moron.

But with the occupation of these areas, and the purpose for being there, (which obviously varies from place to place) ya gotta look at that stuff realistically... if we pulled out of there next week, Iraq, Afghanistan.... they'd be lost to anarchy and collapse. After all this, that would be one monumental failure on our part.

And certainly we don't have a problem hanging out in hostile territory. How long have we had a base in Cuba? Korea? Plenty of unfriendly areas. You can't ever really compare one place to the next, because they're all different in their own way. Iraq is not Japan and never will be. Cuba is not Iraq either.


eh... watching a gecko chase a bug & lost my train of thought here...

oh well... goodnight. Go Patriots!!! Superbowl time baby!

Amputate Your Head:

I smell this will happen.... and happen very quickly. It will probably be a forced situation by those living in that region. It has already been made clear by Iraqi's that they don't want any prescence - just go.

The other factor is that Bush only cares about one thing - his own ass. So he can't have the "Iraqui problem" lingering - that is, if he even makes it thru to any prospect of another election - a week is a long time in politics :-)

The "leftovers" will probably be volatile, but that's up to those living and involved in those countries to resolve - it's not the responsibility of the US to resolve tribal conflicts - tho tis evident the US should never have been there in the first instance.

All that stuff has just ensured plenty more attacks on the US in future - wise move!

theKing:

EH?? You ain't any "loyal American" - You are one very sick son of a bitch...

Go to bed soldier!! Dismissed! :1orglaugh

all of this is pure instigation on your part:

and what are they going to do to "make" us go? Throw rocks at us?

You presume to know what another man cares about? Also I think the odds of him being re-elected are pretty damn good if Iraq is still unstable come election time. Voters don't like switching presidents when there is conflict.

This is where I'm supposed to argue with you and say things like, "They couldn't handle and resolve their own problems so we stepped in to do it for them.... blah blah blah"...
Fact is, Iraq was deemed a threat to us and we acted on that. Pure and simple. You can debate the WMD thing and the "tribal conflict" stuff all you want. Bottom line is, we made a choice to take out the leadership there and we did it. Now we're under obligation to stabilize it. You don't just leave the country a smoldering crater and hope the goat farmers 'figure it out'.

blah blah blah.... I'm assuming this is meant to induce some sort of guilt trip. I don't see any other purpose for uttering such nonsense.

Hey man, they don't know what their doing. Recruiters get a commission for new recruits, they use misleading advertising more than porn pushers. :1orglaugh

You may think of me as being a moron...but we are comrades in arms...and have seen the same shit and shared the same sand. I have zero use for the Webbies and Joe Citizens of the world.

Either that or they just want the free college money.

just goes to show how much Americans love America