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MixPhoto · 02-01-2004, 04:30 AM

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Originally posted by DeanCapture

Hey Mix - here's some damn good reading in regards to color, color management and digital workflow. It's been helpful to me more than once:
http://www.normankoren.com/

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Thanks Dean! I will send this url my designers...

MixPhoto · 02-01-2004, 04:41 AM

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Originally posted by acctman
can we see some nudie pics of her

Paul Markham · 02-01-2004, 05:57 AM

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Originally posted by MixPhoto

Reflected light and reflected color... For this test I used home furniture...

And that could be part of the problem, most of us have brown/cream furniture/deco because its soothing. But not good for photographing nudes on.

Get a GretagMacbeth Color Checker card and their Greycard. This will give you true colors to work from. www.gretagmacbeth.com

RRACY · 02-01-2004, 05:57 AM

I saved all your photos and viewed them on a slide show. All your images are yellow except the one with the cowboy hat and the gun. Use those settings and you will have normal skin tones.

rowan · 02-01-2004, 06:26 AM

Where did you come up with the idea to scribble out the settings on the WB card? Was it yours or someone else's? Great idea, and it's good to have a cute model in the shot too!

fuckerWAD · 02-01-2004, 06:35 AM

I would be able to give you a better analysis if her bra was on the floor. JK.

I like #2 it is brighter for one. Some say a little washed out, but her skin to me looks silky smooth in that one (Hitachi CM721F CRT is what I am using.) As far as the yellow, go with it! It is more natural looking. It looks like lighting from a halogen torchiere lamp. I like it.

Just my two bits, oh wait I don't have two.

SGS · 02-01-2004, 06:53 AM

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Originally posted by rowan
Where did you come up with the idea to scribble out the settings on the WB card? Was it yours or someone else's? Great idea, and it's good to have a cute model in the shot too!

Mallinsons School Of Photography 1980

MixPhoto · 02-01-2004, 10:33 AM

For both a samples I used same light and settings of camera...
Simple options in Photoshop... open, shift+ctrl+l, save

Parameters for this Samples:
Contrast: +1
Sharpness: +2
Saturation: 0
Color Tone: 0

Original

Result

MixPhoto · 02-01-2004, 10:34 AM

same settings and same action...

Original

Result

MixPhoto · 02-01-2004, 10:41 AM

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Originally posted by fuckerWAD
I would be able to give you a better analysis if her bra was on the floor. JK.

I like #2 it is brighter for one. Some say a little washed out, but her skin to me looks silky smooth in that one (Hitachi CM721F CRT is what I am using.) As far as the yellow, go with it! It is more natural looking. It looks like lighting from a halogen torchiere lamp. I like it.

Just my two bits, oh wait I don't have two.

I also love the natural tone of the skin (the patients of the morgue I do not like)... I usually shoot slides and never do processing in Photoshop... How much people - so much opinions...

RRACY · 02-01-2004, 10:48 AM

They all have a yellow tint except the one with the cowboy hat.

MixPhoto · 02-01-2004, 10:50 AM

Also for correct you can use this profile: http://www.mixphoto.com/images/light_test/correct.alv

Paul Waters · 02-01-2004, 11:12 AM

As a rule, when using strobes, the shutter speed is not nearly as important as the aperture.

The flash lasts about 1/500 of a sec, and the critical factor is setting the lens opening to allow the correct amount of light in, for proper exposure of the flash lit subject.

You have to keep the shutter below the flash sync speed of your camera, of course.

Where the shutter speed is important, is if you are trying to capture a background that is not being lit by the strobe, or by separate lighting with a different luminance. Not likely if you are doing porn.

And it is always better to underexpose. You can correct that. Too much light, and you blow away information and you can't recover it.

Be careful about any light that is bouncing off coloured walls or ceilings. You can pick up unwanted colour that way.

MixPhoto · 02-01-2004, 11:16 AM

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Originally posted by Paul Waters
As a rule, when using strobes, the shutter speed is not nearly as important as the aperture.

The flash lasts about 1/500 of a sec, and the critical factor is setting the lens opening to allow the correct amount of light in, for proper exposure of the flash lit subject.

You have to keep the shutter below the flash sync speed of your camera, of course.

Where the shutter speed is important, is if you are trying to capture a background that is not being lit by the strobe, or by separate lighting with a different luminance. Not likely if you are doing porn.

And it is always better to underexpose. You can correct that. Too much light, and you blow away information and you can't recover it.

Be careful about any light that is bouncing off coloured walls or ceilings. You can pick up unwanted colour that way.

Thanks! I know it!

MixPhoto · 02-01-2004, 12:14 PM

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Originally posted by rowan
Where did you come up with the idea to scribble out the settings on the WB card? Was it yours or someone else's? Great idea, and it's good to have a cute model in the shot too!

This my idea... Now all my photographers before shooting must do such shot... So I can check quality of the work each photographer...

Paul Markham · 02-01-2004, 12:39 PM

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Originally posted by rowan
Where did you come up with the idea to scribble out the settings on the WB card? Was it yours or someone else's? Great idea, and it's good to have a cute model in the shot too!

It comes from the days of shooting on slide film, when it was 1-5 days before you saw the results.

We would shoot a whole range of setting then when the film was processed we had a note of the setting of each shot. Was absolutely invaluable.#

Feynman · 02-02-2004, 11:10 AM

Part of your difficulties might come from inadequate use of the flashmeter.

The dome has to be extended and pointed toward the camera to measure the overall light. ( I see that you corrected that in the last images you posted)

When using it with the dome retracted, the light sensor has to be pointed toward the light sources, and you take a reading for each source to figure out your lighting ratio.

As for color balance, I just balance by eye.

If you shoot for printing, you've got to be obsessive about color balance.

For web viewing experience, the individual monitors varies so much that nobody sees the same thing. I've never heard of a porn customer runing color-calibrated monitors...

Most monitors have factory default of 9000+K, so I do all my color correction at 9000K.

At the beginning of each set I take, I ask the model to hold a white cotton towel in front of her.

I use that pic to white-balance (a rare requirement). I prefer that to using a white piece of paper.

I shoot w flash (Profoto Acute2 1200), 5600K

I use a Sekonik meter like your, but the model without the spot attachment. I adjust my ratios, and my overall exposure.

I cross-check the exposure on the histogram (I have the post-shot camera display set to Info all the time) to make sure my dynamic range covers most of the camera range.

If I want to shoot a lot of movement, I need a *fast* recycling time. To do so, I open the lens and shorten the flash energy. I always shoot at 1/200th of a second.

Then, the modeling lights of the flash will give a clearly pink tinge to the image (tungsten halogen is a 3200k while the flash heads) because the ratio of 3200k light to 5600K light gets higher. Then, I use in-camera color balance on a white cotton towel.

Somebody remarked that the laundry detergent whiteners (fluorescent stuff) might screw-up my color temperature readings under flash, but it does not seem to cause me any problems. In fact, it might change the relative color balance between the brightened clothes and skin. I'm shooting for the web, it does not seem to matter very much, so I never dwelled into it more. If I shoot for print, that'll be another thing to do. Beside, lots of white paper contains brighteners too... As for my Kodak grey card, well, it's now grey on both sides.

If you don't have a flashmeter, there is a relatively easy way to set exposure (this camera is WON-DER-FUL!) . It'll require some trial and error, but it works.

Shoot on a large white object (I really love the towel... :-) )
Then, check the histogram.

The values at the extreme right of the histogram are the white areas of the image. IF there is saturation, i.e. the histogram spills out to the right, and you have a bunch of flashing pixels on your image display, reduce your light or close your lens. Bring the brightest pixels nearest as possible to the end of the histogram, but not completely on the end (because you'll saturate pixels)

Then, you have the widest possible dynamic range of information in the picture. (I dunno if it holds true for all colors, though; that's why I think I get better results if I close down by 1/3rd stop from saturated)

To get a satisfying setup usually requires taking three to six images to get the perfect setup. Easily done in 30 to 60 seconds.

To check your ratios, use the same technique, but use each flashheads independently, and angle the towel perpendicular toward the flash head. Take one final reading for each light source.

And another trick. Textbook-perfect exposure is not necessarily what is right... Overexposed pics sometimes makes the skin look younger, less imperfect. Shave 2 years off a 25 y.o. girl by overexposing 1 stop... :D

The viewer doesn't give a damn about textbook-perfect exposure; he want to experience, to feel something...

... but don't overexpose the skin of a beach bunny in a tanning session. :D

02-01-2004, 10:33 AM	#58
MixPhoto Old Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Terra Posts: 1,946	For both a samples I used same light and settings of camera... Simple options in Photoshop... open, shift+ctrl+l, save Parameters for this Samples: Contrast: +1 Sharpness: +2 Saturation: 0 Color Tone: 0 Original Result __________________ sell me your traffic

02-01-2004, 10:34 AM	#59
MixPhoto Old Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Terra Posts: 1,946	same settings and same action... Original Result __________________ sell me your traffic

02-01-2004, 10:50 AM	#62
MixPhoto Old Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Terra Posts: 1,946	Also for correct you can use this profile: http://www.mixphoto.com/images/light_test/correct.alv __________________ sell me your traffic

02-01-2004, 11:12 AM	#63
Paul Waters Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 4,402	As a rule, when using strobes, the shutter speed is not nearly as important as the aperture. The flash lasts about 1/500 of a sec, and the critical factor is setting the lens opening to allow the correct amount of light in, for proper exposure of the flash lit subject. You have to keep the shutter below the flash sync speed of your camera, of course. Where the shutter speed is important, is if you are trying to capture a background that is not being lit by the strobe, or by separate lighting with a different luminance. Not likely if you are doing porn. And it is always better to underexpose. You can correct that. Too much light, and you blow away information and you can't recover it. Be careful about any light that is bouncing off coloured walls or ceilings. You can pick up unwanted colour that way. __________________ Paul

02-02-2004, 11:10 AM	#67
Feynman Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Montreal Posts: 22	Part of your difficulties might come from inadequate use of the flashmeter. The dome has to be extended and pointed toward the camera to measure the overall light. ( I see that you corrected that in the last images you posted) When using it with the dome retracted, the light sensor has to be pointed toward the light sources, and you take a reading for each source to figure out your lighting ratio. As for color balance, I just balance by eye. If you shoot for printing, you've got to be obsessive about color balance. For web viewing experience, the individual monitors varies so much that nobody sees the same thing. I've never heard of a porn customer runing color-calibrated monitors... Most monitors have factory default of 9000+K, so I do all my color correction at 9000K. At the beginning of each set I take, I ask the model to hold a white cotton towel in front of her. I use that pic to white-balance (a rare requirement). I prefer that to using a white piece of paper. I shoot w flash (Profoto Acute2 1200), 5600K I use a Sekonik meter like your, but the model without the spot attachment. I adjust my ratios, and my overall exposure. I cross-check the exposure on the histogram (I have the post-shot camera display set to Info all the time) to make sure my dynamic range covers most of the camera range. If I want to shoot a lot of movement, I need a fast recycling time. To do so, I open the lens and shorten the flash energy. I always shoot at 1/200th of a second. Then, the modeling lights of the flash will give a clearly pink tinge to the image (tungsten halogen is a 3200k while the flash heads) because the ratio of 3200k light to 5600K light gets higher. Then, I use in-camera color balance on a white cotton towel. Somebody remarked that the laundry detergent whiteners (fluorescent stuff) might screw-up my color temperature readings under flash, but it does not seem to cause me any problems. In fact, it might change the relative color balance between the brightened clothes and skin. I'm shooting for the web, it does not seem to matter very much, so I never dwelled into it more. If I shoot for print, that'll be another thing to do. Beside, lots of white paper contains brighteners too... As for my Kodak grey card, well, it's now grey on both sides. If you don't have a flashmeter, there is a relatively easy way to set exposure (this camera is WON-DER-FUL!) . It'll require some trial and error, but it works. Shoot on a large white object (I really love the towel... :-) ) Then, check the histogram. The values at the extreme right of the histogram are the white areas of the image. IF there is saturation, i.e. the histogram spills out to the right, and you have a bunch of flashing pixels on your image display, reduce your light or close your lens. Bring the brightest pixels nearest as possible to the end of the histogram, but not completely on the end (because you'll saturate pixels) Then, you have the widest possible dynamic range of information in the picture. (I dunno if it holds true for all colors, though; that's why I think I get better results if I close down by 1/3rd stop from saturated) To get a satisfying setup usually requires taking three to six images to get the perfect setup. Easily done in 30 to 60 seconds. To check your ratios, use the same technique, but use each flashheads independently, and angle the towel perpendicular toward the flash head. Take one final reading for each light source. And another trick. Textbook-perfect exposure is not necessarily what is right... Overexposed pics sometimes makes the skin look younger, less imperfect. Shave 2 years off a 25 y.o. girl by overexposing 1 stop... :D The viewer doesn't give a damn about textbook-perfect exposure; he want to experience, to feel something... ... but don't overexpose the skin of a beach bunny in a tanning session. :D Last edited by Feynman; 02-02-2004 at 11:12 AM..

02-01-2004, 05:57 AM	#54
RRACY Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,393	I saved all your photos and viewed them on a slide show. All your images are yellow except the one with the cowboy hat and the gun. Use those settings and you will have normal skin tones.

02-01-2004, 06:26 AM	#55
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	Where did you come up with the idea to scribble out the settings on the WB card? Was it yours or someone else's? Great idea, and it's good to have a cute model in the shot too!

02-01-2004, 06:35 AM	#56
fuckerWAD Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 80	I would be able to give you a better analysis if her bra was on the floor. JK. I like #2 it is brighter for one. Some say a little washed out, but her skin to me looks silky smooth in that one (Hitachi CM721F CRT is what I am using.) As far as the yellow, go with it! It is more natural looking. It looks like lighting from a halogen torchiere lamp. I like it. Just my two bits, oh wait I don't have two.

02-01-2004, 10:48 AM	#61
RRACY Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,393	They all have a yellow tint except the one with the cowboy hat.