Great post! Very informative.

Definitely makes more sense than the wishful thinking drivel many PPS webmasters.

The larger PPS guys out there have widely divering strategies in dealing with this HUGE meteor headed our way.

Some would rather attack people for bringing up this very real possibility ("Sky is falling" "You are nobody" "You are an idiot" school of thought)

Others like Marc De are pushing the frontier with innovations that may be a good jumping point for a post rebill world.

Things will continue, its just going to look very different.


Also there's many ways to kill something other than outright banning the practice.........

Interesting that it took so long for someone to start this thread the way the jungle drums have been banging away.

Of course it won't be the end if/when it happens. It'll simply mean a lot of changes - those who are smart will get richer, those who are dumb and/or won't realise time are a changing will slowly start to vanish.

Aactually there is a good one, though you need to do about 90% of the development/coding on your end =)

They won't mind if porn or whatever passes through though....they don't monitor it, you just use their gateway and pay your fees.

Thats like asking " what would happen if all the women on earth died tomorrow "

You cant really know how it will affect you until its done. )

First I think its alot more than 10-50 million, I think we are told this so we feel powerless. Think about it , the adult industry is a 4 billion dollar industry, two things caused the explosion first was the vcr and then the internet.
I highly doubt out of that 4 billion dollar pie, online is a very small piece. Larry Flynt said his sites do 1.3 million a month in the xbiz interview, Danny Ash does 7 million together they do over 22 million.
You also have to figure there are at least 50,000 adult websites the big and the small .If they earned a avg of 6000 a year thats 180 million dollars and I am being very conservative but since we are so splintered we are weak. Adult webmasters have their little kingdoms and they rule with ego and cheapness. Good example IMPA imagine if everyone who made a dollar off adult donated $100 to them ,the amount of money would be huge they would have to fight the good fight.

Also mainstream uses recurring alot and they make it very hard to cancel a example the only way to cancel a audible account is to call I sat on hold for 45 mins to cancel.

interesting.. I guess they could pick on adult related companies again... but from what I see now:

my gym auto rebills
my auto insurance auto rebills
my life insurance auto rebills
my direct tv auto rebills.. (NFL package auto rebills)
my aol auto rebills
my toll tag auto rebills
my wifes cell phone auto rebills

basically lots of business models work on auto rebill

so for it to go away.. would hurt our entire economy as a whole..

not just porn sites :2 cents:

we all hope it does not go away, but always have a back up plan.

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thats pretty much what i was trying say driven. Rebilling is too mainstream for them to ban it out right. Will they step up restirictions in adult websites, possibly, and probably. I think the route they are taking is stopping people from charging back for things that they know they are going to be charged for. They have already shown steps in that direction last october. And i get the feeling that visa does alot more in sales than 1 billion a year, but i dont know for sure.

To those that posted great info/analysis, thank you!

The future is out there and no amount of denial will prevent it from happening.

The biz will survive. There's tons of creative people in this biz. Who else can pimp the Net better than adult webmasters?

I think people are more ready for this eventuality than you guys give them credit for. I say "BRING IT ON!"

WTF? :helpme

Which part don't you understand? I thought it was pretty clear.

Dude you are on crack. A 15% chargeback rate and you would be TMF'd INSTANTLY...

My guess is that someone decent sized is terminated in the next 60 days, both for their ratios and as a warning to everyone else in the business.

I also wouldn't be surprised to see the end of 5967 billing before the end of the year.

I'm not betting it will happen, just saying I wouldn't be at all surprised if it did.

The way it may come about will be surprising perhaps, but anything is possible.

Well said, KK!

I understand that you can have the impression that some companies are alread working on new payment solutions, but that is one thing, but wishing that Visa stopps rebills soon, is something which I completely cannot understand.

Wishing is completely different from just pointing out an inevitability.