just a punk

Are the following assertions correct?
1) It is forbidden to use condoms in Connecticut
2) It is forbidden to openly sell condoms in Wisconsin
3) It is forbidden to advertise condoms in California
4) Women are not allowed to buy condoms in Louisiana
5) Internet service providers must filter (censor) the Internet traffic in Pennsylvania

Is that TRUE???

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rickholio

Every place has its fucked up laws that everyone ignores. There's a law on the books in vancouver for instance where every hotel must have a hitching post out in front of it.

All that proves is that some shitty law was passed at some point and the elected peeps were too lazy or drunk to amend or remove it.

pornkitten

lets hope not

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Amputate Your Head

what do condoms have to do with "freedom & democracy"? Do you even know what those words mean?

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Pornwolf

I doubt that's true. You will have to post links proving each of those.

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Pleasurepays

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People who say this and mean it are the ones you really have to watch.

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Fletch XXX

your ignorance is bought and sold back to you in credits you feel are badges and achievements that equal some kind of placement in society.

http://homepage.mac.com/tinapple/ill...schooling.html

you bleed and shit like the rest.

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iroc409

i heard somewhere that it's considered statutory rape in the state of texas if you're over 18 driving in a car with a minor and she takes her shoes off. lol.

there are some sites out there that list the incredibly silly laws on the books for all the states, but i don't remember what that site is.

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just a punk

When I decide should I buy, use or sell something (let it be a just a condom) it is called FREEDOM. Are you thinking that real freedom is just when your president told you: "you live in the free country son"? Seems you even didn't try to understand that the REAL FREEDOM is

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Lykos

Don't know...usa laws were always strange to me...

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Amputate Your Head

oh, so then I should be able to set up "Amp's Crack Store" down the street in a nice suite right, because I wanna sell it. It's called FREEDOM you said right? Only criteria being if I wanna buy or sell something?

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just a punk

I don't have to post any links because I just asked but not affirmed this. Feel the difference!

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just a punk

Don't mix these concepts. You are trying to replace the theme. Dopes kill and they are ILLEGAL. However I'm talking about LEGAL things. Moreover, I'm talking about the things the CAN SAVE YOUR LIVE (do you know what AIDS is?..)

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rickholio

You're getting way too bent over whether or not there's some stupid law restricting you from buying latex. Seems to me that freedom means more than being able to buy whatever you want whenever you want... if there's freedom in this world being lost, it's because the people that want to take it from you is replacing it with the 'buy now' mentality.

Demanding to buy what you want when you want, to me, isn't freedom... It just means you're chained to material consumption and a mentality of instant gratification.

Amputate Your Head

it's not really legal if there's a law against it there now is it?

the point you're missing is, FREEDOM does not = LAWLESSNESS. Granted, there are alot of laws that are pretty stupid. But it doesn't mean you're any less free. Don't like a law? Do something to get it changed instead of bitching about how unfree the US is. You're perfectly free to try and get the law changed, and you're also free to bitch about it. That is freedom.

It has exactly nothing to do with saving lives or AIDS or any of that shit.

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just a punk

Yes, demanding to buy what you want when you want, isn't freedom itself. It's just a small pane of quilt which is called the FREEDOM. If you loose at least one of such panes, you'll see a dark hole on it's place...

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broke

What kind of logic is that?

(If these laws do in fact exist) you are not talking about LEGAL things. Each of these things would be just as ILLEGAL as the 'dopes' that kill.

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just a punk

Course condoms have exactly nothing to do with saving lives or AIDS, Earth is flat, water is hard and you are free... And course using/buying condoms = LAWLESSNESS. Have a nice dream man!

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Amputate Your Head

*sigh*

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your america is a patch on a jacket.

just a word, but i use it.

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just a punk

Just try to think on it yourself. I believe that sometime you'll understand this. Just a hint for you: what it tomorrow your governor inform you that your are not allowed to eat, or say to piss anymore". Just don't tell me that I'm talking bullshit because it's just an exaggerated thing to help you turn over in your mind ;)

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RIP BRADLEY

"its so nice, i wanna hear the sa,e song twice."

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rickholio

Meh. I think that the world would be made a much better place if there was less emphasis by the population on consuming goods and crapping cash.

Not that I have a problem with making a buck (who here does?) but I figure people would be a lot happier if they weren't being crushed by the whole 'deutchemark uber alles' thing.

Take a look at the majority of people in north america, for instance... a few decades ago they were doing pretty good: couple weeks vacation a year, weekends off, workday ending at 5 so they could go spend some quality time with the family / barflies / superbowl / whatever... nowadays people have to work 60 hour weeks just to stay afloat, never mind getting ahead, weekends shot, families neglected...

... is that freedom?

Being on the freedom wagon is all well and good. Just make sure what you offer as freedom isn't just another brand of slavery.

just a punk

Don't like to hear about condoms and censorship of Internet... Ok, let?s talk about other kind of freedom - the freedom of information. Is that true that Aljazeera NEWS is banned in the USA (not in Canada)???

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Amputate Your Head

ahhh, but no one is being forced to do anything. Everyone working the weekends and neglecting their families is opting into it. They're perfectly free to go live in a cardboard box.

No one ever said freedom as well as personal success or the lack of it, comes with a babysitter or a sugardaddy.

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broke

The sky is falling... the sky is falling.

Get a grip. Seriously.


Looking at a handful of obscure Puritanical laws that have have not been enforced in over a century and concluding my governor is secretly plotting to ban pizza deliveries is beyond absurd.

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rickholio

Sure they're opting in, but is there *really* a choice there? You could walk a nihilist's path and say you could always take the ultimate exit instead of __fill_in_the_blank__ but it doesn't mean these people have any reasonable options.

Being given a choice between 'worse' and 'really fucking worse get ready to die you'll smell really bad before you go cuz you ain't washed for a month' isn't much of a choice.

All that being said, I know this is just sitting up front in my mind cuz I've been working 16 hour days now for a few months and I'm starting to go a little stir crazy wondering wtf it's all for... my choice, such as it is, is "work like a madman to keep my family fed and my contractees happy while letting my body and relationships deteriorate" vs. "live in 'cozy' tar paper shack down by the river amusing myself by pulling the ice from my eyelashes when the temperature dips so low they freeze shut in the night."

just a punk

So what's about Aljazeera NEWS? ;)

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Amputate Your Head

sure.... welcome to being free.

The popular misconception is that "freedom" means "the gravy train". Who the hell ever said anything was gonna be easy? Point is, you have that option.

Other non-free systems have been tried. Governments that will provide you with a shack, some beans, choose a role in life for you, and make sure you don't ever deviate from that. Is that better? Not for me.

Freedom allows people to bitch and complain about old ass condom laws in Wisconsin, whereas somewhere else, they may very well be thrown in prison, have their families burned alive and their dog skinned & eaten for even thinking the government is wrong.

It amuses me to no end when people bitch about not being free in the US..... You're perfectly free to be miserable and suffer in homelessness your whole life, or go all the way to the top and live like a king. But ya still gotta work for it. No one is about to hand it to anyone on a silver platter. "I don't have it, therefore I'm not free"

funny stuff....

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jas1552

Al Jazeera is not banned and is in fact available in the US through Dish Network.

rickholio

That should be obvious... the overriding motive for corporations is profit. There's not enough of a arabic-speaking market in the US to support the channel.

There isn't a channel dedicated to watching people read, either... "Read TV, all readers, all the time" doesn't exist cuz there isn't a market for it. There's no grand anti-literacy conspiracy keeping it from happening.

Google for 'occams razor' before reading hidden agendas into things where simple solutions fit.

broke

What about it?











Info to order in US

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jas1552

Al Jazeera is not banned! Wanna watch it?
http://www.dishnetwork.com/content/p...ic/index.shtml

jas1552

Unlike europe the US doesn't ban speech on the basis that it is offensive to some.
http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,56294,00.html

just a punk

Cool! Seems only condom is the bitterest enemy in most states ;)

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jas1552

That's ridiculous. Condoms aren't banned either. There are condom ads run on NATIONAL networks all the time. I don't know what your source is for these idiotic rumors but I think you can safely ignore anything they tell you in the future.

Amputate Your Head

the underlying ridiculousness of this is that I don't believe anywhere in the Constitution outlines having a RIGHT to sell condoms in Wisconsin. Legal or not, it hasn't got a damn thing to do with freedom or democracy.

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rickholio

I wasn't suggesting that it be 'gravy train'. I think that my and your definition of freedom may differ somewhat.

To me, 'freedom' means the ability to pursue the goals I wish to persue without limits. Irrespective of political systems, there are practical limits on my freedom that I'm working to overcome... I work today to earn so that tomorrow I'll have the scratch to no longer HAVE to work. Knowing that my needs will be provided for to an acceptable comfort level even should I decide to totally withdraw from the workforce (to go back to school, say, or to simply walk the earth and absorb its marvels), that to me would be a high degree of freedom.

My concept of freedom isn't a state of 'being free' or 'being unfree' like what some people here seem to fixate on. I look at it from the 'pyramid of needs' perspective... on the lowest levels your food, clothing, shelter and air, moving with more esoteric needs being met as you move on up. The higher up the pyramid you reach, the more freedom you've likely attained... there isn't much freedom in being a wageslave for the basics of life, whereas the people who can contemplate philosophies and spiritual aspects of life obviously are freed from those more base requirements.

I'd consider your description of freedom more as 'liberty', being the limits on your freedom placed on you by other people, as opposed to basic realities of life. Liberty is being able to choose what I want for dinner, freedom would be the ability to survive without food entirely if I so chose.

Yeah, okay, it's pretty abstract. It's 8am here and I reserve the freedom to be a bit random in my observations at this hour of the morning.

just a punk

Starting this topic I asked only 5 questions. So are you the one who can tell me that answer to all thise questions is "NO!".

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jas1552

true

jas1552

How about instead you prove to me the answers to those questions are "YES!". You know, since you started the thread and all.

just a punk

So just re-read your Constitution. BTW, I doubt there is written you are allowed to sell porn. But I could imagine your indignation if it will become forbidden ;)

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Amputate Your Head

actually, I think we're pretty close.... but obviously we're both over tired. I don't disagree with anything you've said, but I think cyberxxx is a little confused and is using it all out of context & perspective.

this is the only thing I disagree with.... there is nothing in this world that doesn't have limits. The sky may be the limit, but it's still a limit.

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just a punk

You are funny one... I'm not a lunatic to answer my OWN QUESTIONS.

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Amputate Your Head

it isn't written that "I'm allowed to sell porn".... but it also isn't written that "I am NOT allowed to sell porn." According to you, it IS written that "You are not allowed to openly sell condoms in Wisconsin". Guess what.... that means I can sell porn and you can't sell condoms in Wisconsin. (true or not... it's all hypothetical to me anyway) If.... and it's always an "if".... if someday it is written that "I am not allowed to sell porn", then I won't be selling porn anymore.

why is this concept lost on you?

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broke

The answer to the first question is NO.

There was an old law on the books that prohibited married couples from using any form of contraceptive, but it was struck down by the supreme court.

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jas1552

I wouldn't know how to go about proving something isn't a law without reading every damn law on the books for whatever state. All I can say is I've never heard of anyone getting in trouble for using, selling, or advertising condoms. Even if there are such laws that doesn't mean anyone pays attention to them or that they are enforced.