I was very attentive to the details of what was being said and there were many reasons articulated for going into Iraq. WMD's was one, one in which there "may" have been an intelligence failure by many countries. It was a good choice to put on top based on the Intelligence reports at the time, I doubt they would use it as the main reason now.

This and any future administration be it Democrat or Republican is in a very tough predicament because they can not divulge all of the information they have, or the plans they have to deal with the war on terrorism.

I am a Canadian and there was/is a lot of deep seeded hate for America long before Bush came to power. People have been cheering on the fall of America for a long time, I'm not one of them. It was/is deep rooted throughout Europe when I travelled there and elsewhere. None of the shit I heard was justified and was akin to those who hate the Jewish, Black, Irish or Western Indian people.

:2 cents:

Pornwolf:

I saw thru the "thing" long before 9/11 or any "wars" - I now suffer from a lack of faith in human beings that stems from the fact they like to be in a rut and have not kicked this ass out of office years ago :-)

And I sure like a country where the constitution does not allow second or third term leaders and the people can dump a leader next week for deception - they get one chance! It has an amazing effect and seems to focus their minds on "real" issues. That's what called a "real democracy" :-)

I doubt you will hear "thing" supporters giving up on the thing. Some of these folks suffer from a severe bout of "Patriotic Ad Nausea" that would take em to hell and back to keep face :-) It's kinda like communism for the 21st century! :)

It's your country. Y'all "voted" him in. :winkwink:

ThunderBalls:

Yea.. I've listened to lies almost on a daily basis for over two years.

Everyone.. even leaders, are entitled to a couple of "mistakes", but this lot have passed by that point years ago - they just lie and lie again and again.... Not just on Iraq, but on a range of issues - I think they call that "deception" :)

Where I come from deception is a criminal offense - it sure would be "more" if you consider a country went to war based on this and 1000's were killed.

Who gives a fuck about WMD's.


Hussein was a murdering piece of shit. The only mistake you yanks made, was not putting a bullet in his fucking head when he was hiding in his little rat hole.

Cocksucker deserves death and nothing else.

Up here in Canada we have an impartial media outlet known as the CBC... they did a 1 hour special on this. See below.

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/conspiracytheories/index.html

soldierdog:

I never bothered one bit about the US before this "thing" was elected... I used to live there and had no problems or "hate" stuff.

Now is get pissed that the place has been raped by assholes and tis the US people who are gonna be paying that bill for a good decade or more. Relations with the rest of the world are at an all time low and this alone, will take years to overcome.

A good number of my friends are US folks and I now feel sorry they are stuck with this crap.

I couldnt agree with you more. I saw right through his shit during the last election and couldnt believe people were that stupid to buy into it.

Shit.. excuse typos... should read:
"Now I get pissed that the place has been raped..."

The main problem about Bush is everything he does is making way too much of a big deal about things. Saddam's a killer and a dictator that needs to die. Of course that's true. But people in the USA don't understand that that's common in the world.

Saddam heussein isn't hitler. If anything, Osama is. There's a million Saddams noone in the world gives a fuck about. Hell, we financially support half of them.

I don't think Bush is a "bad guy". I think Cheney's a "bad guy" and alot of people pulling Bush's strings are "bad guys". Bush really doesn't do shit and he has roughly 0 power in this world. He's even been documented saying things before signing documents and making speaches that show his disapproval of what's going to come out of his own mouth a week later.

The MAIN problem is priorities. Saddam wouldn't be a threat to the USA unless we provoked him. The terrorists, on the other hand are a very real threat. Right now we're fighting a war on TERROR. If next week we win that war and decide to fight a war on crazy dictators, put Saddam in there. Then we can clean up South America and Africa.

Maybe Bush is wrong for lying to the American people. Maybe the American people are wrong for being total idiots who can't differentiate between two totally different menaces in the world. Actually yeah it is the fault of the American people for not knowing who they're fighting or what they're fighting for.

People are idiots, the world is in shambles and the typical American doesn't know the half of it. Fuck the undeducated and fuck the ones exploiting them. May as well just admit the world is fucked and live for the day.

To sum up. Dems don't like Bush. Boring.

Saddam's a bad guy. We had an excuse to get rid of him. We did. Yay us and screw you.

How about all those democrats that voted for the war? Do you all hate them too? Or just Bush and the republicans that voted for it?

The problems are:

1) We shouldn't have needed an excuse. I doubt anyone would have had a problem with it if we just swooped in and killed him out of nowhere.

2) It cost way too much money, and they made it into a huge circus. Republicans wasted a whole lot of time/money trying to "sell" the idea of invading Iraq by creating one big lie. The democrats wasted their own time and money by pointing out what a lying sack of shit Bush is. The republicans wasted more and more money trying to talk their way out of it.

It could have been as simple as:

USA: Who hates Saddam?
People: We do!
USA: We just completed an inexpensive mission to remove him from power!
People: COOL, GOOD JOB!
Whiners: Waah, waaaah.
People: STFU. He's dead.

And that'd be the end of it. No bullshit.

Things are so simple to the simple-minded.

jas1552:

DUH??? What are you talking about?

Who cares about "democrats" and "republicans"? You still on that level??

First I had a little wine tonight. Second, you just about have to dumb shit down somewhat for the peeps here. Do you wish Saddam was still in power?

HeuHummmm ...

It;s past your bedtime....

We'd be better off with Saddam still in power, if we got all the money we spent on the war back. Cash rules everything around us, even on a global scale.

If they'd done it in a straightforward, inexpensive manner we'd be better off without him.

jas1552:

Yet another pointless remark....

Does it ever get any better?

But hell...:drinkup to ya!!

No it's not.
edit: 100 freed iraqis
2nd edit: better yet 100 Iraqis protesting for democratic elections that wouldn't be possible were it not for the much maligned US president.

Saddam did pay families of terrorists CASH. Did he pay the 9/11 families cash, i dont know , but, either way we didnt kill him we only overthrew him. Not like israel that murders people they dont like.

I'm sorry about the dumbing down remark. That's not like me. I love you all man.

The CBC impartial? now there's a joke

bush sucks.
read michael moore's book entitled "dude, where's my country?"

no

I'd take Mansbridge against any of the crossburner crew running the show at Fox any day.

Although admittedly 'impartial' is probably a stretch... how about 'more impartial'?

According to David Kay...there are still those in the intel agencies that still believe that the WMD's do exist...though in David Kay's opinion...the "consensus" of the intel agencies believe they got it wrong and that stockpiles of WMD's do not exist...and he stressed that is his personal assessment of where the intel agencies are at this point.

The "Iraq adventure" has been on the table...at the least...since 1991 and...in my opinion...should have been acted upon within a year of the cease fire.

You a member of DAB?

How about 100 Iraqis wishing americans gone...

100 Iraqis transforming a secular country in a religious nest for future terrorists...

or 100 Iraqis going back to old way where women have no more place aside from the kitchen...

You rubbed the magic lantern thinking a good genie would come out and kiss your ass. Sorry, you let out a devil that even Saddam didn't want ...

Anyway, you guys are paying for it ...

I don't know what that is so probably not.

DAB = Dumbfucks Against Books

Some do some don't.

Yeah things were so much better when a billionaire dictator who hates the US for stopping his plans was in charge.

I bet they miss the good old days of rape and torture.

Ahh I see. It's better they live under rule of a dictator than have the freedom to live how they choose because we may not like their choice. You're right. Let's put saddam back in power so he can control those horrible devils(iraqis).

You're so clever. No. I'm a member of pwdg2sammo = people who don't give 2 shits about michael moore's opinions.

I still say we'd be better off with our money back and Saddam still over there being a dick.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Now including Iraqis.

click and read you dumb fucks

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/conspiracyth...nterviews.html

i work freelance for the CBC and they are respected all over the world

hahah....

I do not agree with U.S politics in a way, but we have 4 years with the fella, what more can be done?

Bush is just so full of shit.