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Old 01-28-2004, 01:28 PM   #51
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Old 01-28-2004, 01:48 PM   #52
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There has been talk of Osma and Saddam working togather (especially to supply weapons to Osma), sine the first World Trade Center Bombing when Clinton was president. Rather they had been truely working togather to try and bring down the US, is unsure. But there has alwasy been speculation about it.

http://www.worldthreats.com/middle_east/iraq_terror.htm

Why Clinton didn't snuff out Osma back when the World Trade Center was first bombed, I have no idea. It would of helped prevent 9/11. At least Osma would of been on the run. Instead we had to wait for Bush, before any action was taken.
hmm, maybe it was the fact that he had to spend 70% of his time dealing with being impeached over a fucking blowjob. The better question is, why hasn't Bush snuffed out Osama after 9/11? If Clinton was in office right now we would have invaded the right country (Saudi Arabia), and he'd be dead, case closed. Halliburton stock however, would not be doing as well. No Afghani pipeline and no Iraqi oil. So it's a tradeoff really.
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I do not read an "insinuation". WMD's was only one of multiple reasons for taking down Saddam...and probably not at the top of the list of reasons. WMD's were touted by the Admin (but it was not the only reason presented)...and there may have been a massive intel failure (certainly would not be the first time)...and that possibility is still being investigated.
I cannot believe you are still pushing the same lies. Watch my lips.

HE LIED TO YOU

You can fool some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time. the king seems to be in the first group.
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Maybe some would...but I do not. 9/11 changed the way the US perceive potential enemies...and Saddam was an enemy of the US. In essence I read the statement as...because of 9/11 we cannot allow governments such as Saddam's was to exist...so that hopefully we can prevent another 9/11. That is a major reason we toppled Saddam and are now trying to establish a Democracy in a muslim nation...a model nation if you will...to hopefully...over a period of time...change the face of would be enemies in the mid east. Will we succeed...time...will determine the end result.
You see inside every little Muslim is an American trying to get out.

Try traveling around the world before you comment on anything other than what happens in your street.

Why do you assume they want to have a western style democracy?
Do you think this democracy will be theirs to choose?
Or will Americans choose it for them?
What evidence other than what Bush, a proven liar, tells you is there of a terrorist threat?
With the US's track record at "Changing the face of would be enemies" some could say it's best they stay out of there.

Saddam was a tyrant, no argument. He was aslo a big mouth. But he was more use to the West alive and killing Muslims than he is now. He screamed and shouted against the US and Israel, while he was killing ONLY Muslims. Now he is a martyr who stood up to the Western Devil.
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You think inside every Muslim is an American trying to get out?

Try traveling around the world before you comment on anything other than what happens in your street.

Why do you assume they want to have a western style democracy?
Do you think this democracy will be theirs to choose?
Or will Americans choose it for them?
What evidence other than what Bush, a proven liar, tells you is there of a terrorist threat?
With the US's track record at "Changing the face of would be enemies" some could say it's best they stay out of there.

Saddam was a tyrant, no argument. He was aslo a big mouth. But he was more use to the West alive and killing Muslims than he is now. He screamed and shouted against the US and Israel, while he was killing ONLY Muslims. Now he is a martyr who stood up to the Western Devil.
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Old 01-28-2004, 02:39 PM   #57
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I cannot believe you are still pushing the same lies. Watch my lips.

HE LIED TO YOU

You can fool some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time. the king seems to be in the first group.
Read my lips...you do not have a clue.
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Old 01-28-2004, 02:50 PM   #58
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You see inside every little Muslim is an American trying to get out.

Try traveling around the world before you comment on anything other than what happens in your street.
Been around the world and to hell and back...thank you very much.

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Why do you assume they want to have a western style democracy?
I don't...Clueless.

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Do you think this democracy will be theirs to choose?
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Or will Americans choose it for them?
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What evidence other than what Bush, a proven liar, tells you is there of a terrorist threat?
Do you ever watch the news...cluless...or do you think the bombings/attacks that have taken place around the world for the past twenty or more years are hollywood productions?


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With the US's track record at "Changing the face of would be enemies" some could say it's best they stay out of there.
Some can say whatever they like...but it will not change what is reality.

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Saddam was a tyrant, no argument. He was aslo a big mouth. But he was more use to the West alive and killing Muslims than he is now. He screamed and shouted against the US and Israel, while he was killing ONLY Muslims. Now he is a martyr who stood up to the Western Devil.
Yes the great "martyr"...found groveling in a hole in the ground.
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Read my lips...you do not have a clue.
Some of the fools can be fooled anytime.

You have to tell me why I'm wrong or you look an even bigger idiot.

So they are finding WMDs all over the place not as this story says http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3433111.stm and top politicians are not saying they were not there. Was it Mr Powell? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/3426703.stm

Someone lied to you and you cannot see it even when shown the evidence.
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Some of the fools can be fooled anytime.

You have to tell me why I'm wrong or you look an even bigger idiot.

So they are finding WMDs all over the place not as this story says http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3433111.stm and top politicians are not saying they were not there. Was it Mr Powell? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/3426703.stm

Someone lied to you and you cannot see it even when shown the evidence.
Always clueless...prior to the invasion...US intel...British intel...France intel...German intel were in "consensus" agreement that Saddam possessed WMD's as stated today by David Kay during his testimony before a Senate committee...also as stated by the previous Administration of President Clinton. Intel failures of these major goverments do not equate to lying about WMD's.

The Administration could have selected anyone of multiple viable reasons for taking down Saddam...but chose to primarily use WMD's as one of the reasons...why WMD's...because they chose to believe the "consensus" of intel from our 14 intel agencies as well as those agencies from Britain...France...and Germany. They would be total fools to lie about WMD's if they knew that WMD's did not exist.

Poor...clueless old man...you shall remain so for the few remaining years you have left.
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Let's all just put theking on ignore, charley, dig, etc, you guys have proved him wrong (and crazy) so many times, and he just keeps spitting out the same crap. I mean he's a right wing nutball who's actually convinced himself he's left leaning, enough said.
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Let's all just put theking on ignore, charley, dig, etc, you guys have proved him wrong (and crazy) so many times, and he just keeps spitting out the same crap. I mean he's a right wing nutball who's actually convinced himself he's left leaning, enough said.
I can't ignore them, it's too funny watching them try to ignore shit when you're waving it in their face and calling everyone else stupid
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and Torone, why are you calling HIM an old man when YOU'RE an old man who is not only not nearly as successful or as literate as he is, but you're still living with your mother? For fuck's sake, you got run over by a Jeep when you were in the military (if you really were), you're not even smart enough to get out of the way of a moving vehicle and you're going to tell US we have comprehension problems?

PS you're not a liberal.
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so you're defending Saddam and his (ex)regime? That's nice. Another fanatical whackjob. Just what we need. I bet you wear a towel on your head don't you?
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Let's all just put theking on ignore, charley, dig, etc, you guys have proved him wrong (and crazy) so many times, and he just keeps spitting out the same crap. I mean he's a right wing nutball who's actually convinced himself he's left leaning, enough said.
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and Torone, why are you calling HIM an old man when YOU'RE an old man who is not only not nearly as successful or as literate as he is, but you're still living with your mother? For fuck's sake, you got run over by a Jeep when you were in the military (if you really were), you're not even smart enough to get out of the way of a moving vehicle and you're going to tell US we have comprehension problems?

PS you're not a liberal.
PS...you're not pyschic...but you are DISMISSED.
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hmm, maybe it was the fact that he had to spend 70% of his time dealing with being impeached over a fucking blowjob. The better question is, why hasn't Bush snuffed out Osama after 9/11? If Clinton was in office right now we would have invaded the right country (Saudi Arabia), and he'd be dead, case closed. Halliburton stock however, would not be doing as well. No Afghani pipeline and no Iraqi oil. So it's a tradeoff really.
The World Trade Center was bombed in 1993. That was during Clinton's 1st term. The whole thing with Clinton and Paula Jone's claiming sexual harrasement happened in 1998. The World Trade Center bombing happened a whole 5 years before the Paula Jones lawsuit.

Just so you know. The only reason Monica Lewinsky was brought inot the whole court case, was as a witness of Clinton's character in the Paula Jones sexual harrasement case. The news just had a field day with Monica, that it overshadowed what the whole court case was about. The impeachment came about, cause he lied in court about what he did with Monica (and Paula).
http://www.texasonline.net/langley/columns/clinton.htm


Once alone in the room with the state clerical worker, Clinton dropped his drawers and said something to the effect: "Young lady, please come forward and serve your governor and our great and sovereign state."
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The World Trade Center was bombed in 1993. That was during Clinton's 1st term. The whole thing with Clinton and Paula Jone's claiming sexual harrasement happened in 1998. The World Trade Center bombing happened a whole 5 years before the Paula Jones lawsuit.

Just so you know. The only reason Monica Lewinsky was brought inot the whole court case, was as a witness of Clinton's character in the Paula Jones sexual harrasement case. The news just had a field day with Monica, that it overshadowed what the whole court case was about. The impeachment came about, cause he lied in court about what he did with Monica (and Paula).
http://www.texasonline.net/langley/columns/clinton.htm


Once alone in the room with the state clerical worker, Clinton dropped his drawers and said something to the effect: "Young lady, please come forward and serve your governor and our great and sovereign state."
Ummm, okay. Keep quoting shit about Clinton from a right wing Texas website. Ads so much to your credibility.

And by the way, unlike Bush Clinton actually caught the people that bombed the WTC in 93.
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Ummm, okay. Keep quoting shit about Clinton from a right wing Texas website. Ads so much to your credibility.

And by the way, unlike Bush Clinton actually caught the people that bombed the WTC in 93.
I'm just stating facts. I'm neither on the left or right. I could care less if Clinton is in office or Bush. The people that caused the WTC to come down during 9/11 died. No body to catch.

I'm just saying, if Clinton had did something during the first WTC bombing, we wouldn't of had 9/11. At least Bush went in after Osma.
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At least Bush went in after Osma.

Who the fuck is Osma?
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Who the fuck is Osma?
I know your joking around, but I'll play along.
Osma Bin Laden
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Who the fuck is Osma?
He is part of "The Osmas " a muslim version of " The Osmonds"...

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First there is no "insinuation". It is a matter of FACT that the thing SAID on numerous occasions there IS WMD.

Second, WMD was the PRIME reason given to both the UN and the American people as the reason to go to war.

It is also a fact that despite an abundance of information to the contrary, the Admin are still claiming Iraq has WMD with Cheney trolling around Europe spouting this to the dismay of others.

King... there is no basis for saying WMD was "probably not at the top of the list of reasons". It was THE reason - that is, unless it is admitted that the Iraqi adventure was actually on the agenda before the "thing" was elected.
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First there is no "insinuation". It is a matter of FACT that the thing SAID on numerous occasions there IS WMD.

Second, WMD was the PRIME reason given to both the UN and the American people as the reason to go to war.

It is also a fact that despite an abundance of information to the contrary, the Admin are still claiming Iraq has WMD with Cheney trolling around Europe spouting this to the dismay of others.

King... there is no basis for saying WMD was "probably not at the top of the list of reasons". It was THE reason - that is, unless it is admitted that the Iraqi adventure was actually on the agenda before the "thing" was elected.

You guys are missing the point. Bush has repeatedly mentioned 9/11 when talking about Iraq. He did it when he was trying to get support for the war and he did it again yesterday to the media. He knows half the people in this country thinks the 9/11 hijackers were Iraqis and he continues to play on it.
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King... there is no basis for saying WMD was "probably not at the top of the list of reasons". It was THE reason - that is, unless it is admitted that the Iraqi adventure was actually on the agenda before the "thing" was elected.
I was very attentive to the details of what was being said and there were many reasons articulated for going into Iraq. WMD's was one, one in which there "may" have been an intelligence failure by many countries. It was a good choice to put on top based on the Intelligence reports at the time, I doubt they would use it as the main reason now.

This and any future administration be it Democrat or Republican is in a very tough predicament because they can not divulge all of the information they have, or the plans they have to deal with the war on terrorism.

I am a Canadian and there was/is a lot of deep seeded hate for America long before Bush came to power. People have been cheering on the fall of America for a long time, I'm not one of them. It was/is deep rooted throughout Europe when I travelled there and elsewhere. None of the shit I heard was justified and was akin to those who hate the Jewish, Black, Irish or Western Indian people.

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I saw thru the "thing" long before 9/11 or any "wars" - I now suffer from a lack of faith in human beings that stems from the fact they like to be in a rut and have not kicked this ass out of office years ago :-)

And I sure like a country where the constitution does not allow second or third term leaders and the people can dump a leader next week for deception - they get one chance! It has an amazing effect and seems to focus their minds on "real" issues. That's what called a "real democracy" :-)

I doubt you will hear "thing" supporters giving up on the thing. Some of these folks suffer from a severe bout of "Patriotic Ad Nausea" that would take em to hell and back to keep face :-) It's kinda like communism for the 21st century!
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You guys are missing the point. Bush has repeatedly mentioned 9/11 when talking about Iraq. He did it when he was trying to get support for the war and he did it again yesterday to the media. He knows half the people in this country thinks the 9/11 hijackers were Iraqis and he continues to play on it.
Yea.. I've listened to lies almost on a daily basis for over two years.

Everyone.. even leaders, are entitled to a couple of "mistakes", but this lot have passed by that point years ago - they just lie and lie again and again.... Not just on Iraq, but on a range of issues - I think they call that "deception"

Where I come from deception is a criminal offense - it sure would be "more" if you consider a country went to war based on this and 1000's were killed.
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Old 01-28-2004, 09:17 PM   #85
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Who gives a fuck about WMD's.


Hussein was a murdering piece of shit. The only mistake you yanks made, was not putting a bullet in his fucking head when he was hiding in his little rat hole.

Cocksucker deserves death and nothing else.
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Old 01-28-2004, 09:20 PM   #86
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Up here in Canada we have an impartial media outlet known as the CBC... they did a 1 hour special on this. See below.

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/conspiracytheories/index.html
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I am a Canadian and there was/is a lot of deep seeded hate for America long before Bush came to power. People have been cheering on the fall of America for a long time, I'm not one of them. It was/is deep rooted throughout Europe when I travelled there and elsewhere. None of the shit I heard was justified and was akin to those who hate the Jewish, Black, Irish or Western Indian people.
I never bothered one bit about the US before this "thing" was elected... I used to live there and had no problems or "hate" stuff.

Now is get pissed that the place has been raped by assholes and tis the US people who are gonna be paying that bill for a good decade or more. Relations with the rest of the world are at an all time low and this alone, will take years to overcome.

A good number of my friends are US folks and I now feel sorry they are stuck with this crap.
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Yea.. I've listened to lies almost on a daily basis for over two years.

Everyone.. even leaders, are entitled to a couple of "mistakes", but this lot have passed by that point years ago - they just lie and lie again and again.... Not just on Iraq, but on a range of issues - I think they call that "deception"

Where I come from deception is a criminal offense - it sure would be "more" if you consider a country went to war based on this and 1000's were killed.
I couldnt agree with you more. I saw right through his shit during the last election and couldnt believe people were that stupid to buy into it.
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Shit.. excuse typos... should read:
"Now I get pissed that the place has been raped..."
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The main problem about Bush is everything he does is making way too much of a big deal about things. Saddam's a killer and a dictator that needs to die. Of course that's true. But people in the USA don't understand that that's common in the world.

Saddam heussein isn't hitler. If anything, Osama is. There's a million Saddams noone in the world gives a fuck about. Hell, we financially support half of them.

I don't think Bush is a "bad guy". I think Cheney's a "bad guy" and alot of people pulling Bush's strings are "bad guys". Bush really doesn't do shit and he has roughly 0 power in this world. He's even been documented saying things before signing documents and making speaches that show his disapproval of what's going to come out of his own mouth a week later.

The MAIN problem is priorities. Saddam wouldn't be a threat to the USA unless we provoked him. The terrorists, on the other hand are a very real threat. Right now we're fighting a war on TERROR. If next week we win that war and decide to fight a war on crazy dictators, put Saddam in there. Then we can clean up South America and Africa.

Maybe Bush is wrong for lying to the American people. Maybe the American people are wrong for being total idiots who can't differentiate between two totally different menaces in the world. Actually yeah it is the fault of the American people for not knowing who they're fighting or what they're fighting for.

People are idiots, the world is in shambles and the typical American doesn't know the half of it. Fuck the undeducated and fuck the ones exploiting them. May as well just admit the world is fucked and live for the day.
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To sum up. Dems don't like Bush. Boring.
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Saddam's a bad guy. We had an excuse to get rid of him. We did. Yay us and screw you.
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How about all those democrats that voted for the war? Do you all hate them too? Or just Bush and the republicans that voted for it?
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Saddam's a bad guy. We had an excuse to get rid of him. We did. Yay us and screw you.
The problems are:

1) We shouldn't have needed an excuse. I doubt anyone would have had a problem with it if we just swooped in and killed him out of nowhere.

2) It cost way too much money, and they made it into a huge circus. Republicans wasted a whole lot of time/money trying to "sell" the idea of invading Iraq by creating one big lie. The democrats wasted their own time and money by pointing out what a lying sack of shit Bush is. The republicans wasted more and more money trying to talk their way out of it.

It could have been as simple as:

USA: Who hates Saddam?
People: We do!
USA: We just completed an inexpensive mission to remove him from power!
People: COOL, GOOD JOB!
Whiners: Waah, waaaah.
People: STFU. He's dead.

And that'd be the end of it. No bullshit.
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Saddam's a bad guy. We had an excuse to get rid of him. We did. Yay us and screw you.
Things are so simple to the simple-minded.
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How about all those democrats that voted for the war? Do you all hate them too? Or just Bush and the republicans that voted for it?
DUH??? What are you talking about?

Who cares about "democrats" and "republicans"? You still on that level??
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Things are so simple to the simple-minded.
First I had a little wine tonight. Second, you just about have to dumb shit down somewhat for the peeps here. Do you wish Saddam was still in power?
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First I had a little wine tonight. Second, you just about have to dumb shit down somewhat for the peeps here. Do you wish Saddam was still in power?
We'd be better off with Saddam still in power, if we got all the money we spent on the war back. Cash rules everything around us, even on a global scale.

If they'd done it in a straightforward, inexpensive manner we'd be better off without him.
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Do you wish Saddam was still in power?
Yet another pointless remark....

Does it ever get any better?

But hell... to ya!!
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