Is it a good idea to make content on a paysite undownloadable? - GoFuckYourself.com

Quotealex · 01-26-2004, 02:57 PM

Sure there will be some surfers that will find a way to save the content. But in general, is good for business to make the content on a paysite very hard for them to download it? The last thing I want is for surfers to save my content on their computer.

stocktrader23 · 01-26-2004, 03:04 PM

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Originally posted by Alex from Montreal
The last thing I want is for surfers to save my content on their computer.

Why?

Manowar · 01-26-2004, 03:06 PM

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Originally posted by stocktrader23

Why?

hes probably worried about people downloading it all then sharing it on p2p or cancelling their subscriptions after downloading all the content

lennox · 01-26-2004, 03:07 PM

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Originally posted by Manowar

hes probably worried about people downloading it all then sharing it on p2p or cancelling their subscriptions after downloading all the content

reguardless of the setup, this can and will be done no matter what you do. the only solution to this type of "ripping" is by having daily download limits (I believe Pennywize has that option)

mistersoft · 01-26-2004, 03:09 PM

I wouldn't join a site like that.

Trax · 01-26-2004, 03:09 PM

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Originally posted by lennox

reguardless of the setup, this can and will be done no matter what you do. the only solution to this type of "ripping" is by having daily download limits (I believe Pennywize has that option)

lol
what will it change??
then he buys a full month membership with a stolen card and download all your shit over a week
no difference
will only kill rebills

lennox · 01-26-2004, 03:10 PM

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Originally posted by Trax

lol
what will it change??
then he buys a full month membership with a stolen card and download all your shit over a week
no difference
will only kill rebills

now you are getting into credit card fraud, stay on track.

Doctor Dre · 01-26-2004, 03:12 PM

Well I think surfers that really like your site wouldn't be able to use the softwares that eat all your site . That will probably save you BW

Tipsy · 01-26-2004, 03:19 PM

Whatever the arguments for mistersoft summed it up...

I'd never join a site like that and if I did by mistake would cancel very quickly. Streaming stuff is a pain in the ass especially when you're feeling horny. You want stuff you can download and (once downloaded) view there and then when you dick's out and your trousers are down by your ankles. Having the ISP or Internet traffic make the streaming (if you were using it) stop and start every few seconds stops Mr Pinky being hard and happy!

tootie · 01-26-2004, 03:24 PM

I would never do that to my members. If I joined a site like that I'd cancel in a heartbeat, and I've been in this business for about 7 years now. I know content costs alot of money to buy and produce and I know it sucks to waste bandwidth and get cancellations from the leeches, but I'd much rather waste some bandwidth on a few leeches than piss off ALL of my valuable recurring members. That's just my opinion, though. There are two sides to the story and I understand that.

Rictor · 01-26-2004, 03:27 PM

Watermark all your content with your url. Then if they trade it, free advertising.

Rick Latona · 01-26-2004, 03:27 PM

If you make it downloadable you better make sure that it is protected via DRM (Digital Rights Management).

Olivier · 01-26-2004, 05:32 PM

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Originally posted by Tipsy
Whatever the arguments for mistersoft summed it up...

I'd never join a site like that and if I did by mistake would cancel very quickly. Streaming stuff is a pain in the ass especially when you're feeling horny. You want stuff you can download and (once downloaded) view there and then when you dick's out and your trousers are down by your ankles. Having the ISP or Internet traffic make the streaming (if you were using it) stop and start every few seconds stops Mr Pinky being hard and happy!

best reply ever!

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emmanuelle · 01-26-2004, 06:06 PM

I think that's covered in "How to piss off your customers 101"

Your paying members have paid for the pics, they're stored in their cache anyway. Why punish them? Rebills are how you eat, and irritating your members will leave you hungry

doober · 01-26-2004, 06:25 PM

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Originally posted by mistersoft
I wouldn't join a site like that.

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Originally posted by Rictor
Watermark all your content with your url. Then if they trade it, free advertising.

DVTimes · 01-26-2004, 06:34 PM

I would say, that people join pay sites in order to 'own' the content. I will save pics all the time, often not looking at the pic at all, but its fun to know I have it.

If I joined a site that did not let me save pics, then would soon cancel. But often you can find ways around it. At worse, you just get a art package that will do screen saves, then crop the pic.

It would be like paying for a TV station, then finding I could not record a film from it.

The simple option is put your web address on all your pics. if someone does post them, then its great advertising.

Kimmykim · 01-26-2004, 06:39 PM

Why not use a DRM solution that de-activates the content when their membership runs out?

StuartD · 01-26-2004, 07:24 PM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim
Why not use a DRM solution that de-activates the content when their membership runs out?

Hey, you got to it before I could. That's what I was gonna say.

Morgan · 01-26-2004, 07:29 PM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim
Why not use a DRM solution that de-activates the content when their membership runs out?

yup, http://board.gofuckyourself.com/show...thent ication

emmanuelle · 01-26-2004, 08:24 PM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim
Why not use a DRM solution that de-activates the content when their membership runs out?

DRM isn't an entry level solution.

404 · 01-26-2004, 08:45 PM

i'm not sure how they do it but this paysite stores their movies AND images in wmv format that only works on one computer

http://dpa.asian-eve.com/en/pics-list.html
http://dpa.asian-eve.com/en/upgrade.html
http://dpa.asian-eve.com/en/faq.html

Quotealex · 01-27-2004, 10:52 AM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim
Why not use a DRM solution that de-activates the content when their membership runs out?

Seems like a good alternative.

Quotealex · 01-27-2004, 11:05 AM

But I really don't like the idea of paying $15,000+ to build a paysite so that some joe can donwload all my content just because he paid $15-$30 to join my site!

Plus, some girls will be complaining that their pics/videos are all over the internet and because this they are upsetting their boyfriend, familly and friends!

latinasojourn · 01-27-2004, 08:39 PM

unfortunately it's a trade-off either way.

surfers want to save the stuff they like on their HD.

and you will have surfers posting your good stuff on usenet, whether you like it or not.

best compromise probably is put a small watermark on your original stuff. so at least if it's posted or hot linked you'll get some action on it.

Kimmykim · 01-27-2004, 08:59 PM

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Originally posted by emmanuelle

DRM isn't an entry level solution.

Of course it is, you just have to find a provider that works based on a percentage of sales, not a flat fee upfront.

01-26-2004, 02:57 PM	#1
Quotealex Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: The Global Digerati Village Posts: 6,265	Is it a good idea to make content on a paysite undownloadable? Sure there will be some surfers that will find a way to save the content. But in general, is good for business to make the content on a paysite very hard for them to download it? The last thing I want is for surfers to save my content on their computer.

01-26-2004, 03:09 PM	#5
mistersoft Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,021	I wouldn't join a site like that. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

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Tipsy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: See sig Posts: 6,989	Whatever the arguments for mistersoft summed it up... I'd never join a site like that and if I did by mistake would cancel very quickly. Streaming stuff is a pain in the ass especially when you're feeling horny. You want stuff you can download and (once downloaded) view there and then when you dick's out and your trousers are down by your ankles. Having the ISP or Internet traffic make the streaming (if you were using it) stop and start every few seconds stops Mr Pinky being hard and happy! __________________ Ignorance is never bliss.

01-26-2004, 03:24 PM	#10
tootie Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Planet Earp Posts: 6,041	I would never do that to my members. If I joined a site like that I'd cancel in a heartbeat, and I've been in this business for about 7 years now. I know content costs alot of money to buy and produce and I know it sucks to waste bandwidth and get cancellations from the leeches, but I'd much rather waste some bandwidth on a few leeches than piss off ALL of my valuable recurring members. That's just my opinion, though. There are two sides to the story and I understand that. __________________

01-26-2004, 03:27 PM	#12
Rick Latona The Best Ideas Start Here Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,037	If you make it downloadable you better make sure that it is protected via DRM (Digital Rights Management). __________________ Regards, Rick Latona http://latonas.com Latona's - We Sell Money Making Web Properties Note to buyers of websites and traffic: please check our inventory at http://latonas.com/websites-for-sale. If you would like to make an offer on something, just let me know.

01-26-2004, 03:27 PM	#11
Rictor Old Timer Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 12,208	Watermark all your content with your url. Then if they trade it, free advertising.

01-26-2004, 06:06 PM	#14
emmanuelle Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Oh Canada! Posts: 3,662	I think that's covered in "How to piss off your customers 101" Your paying members have paid for the pics, they're stored in their cache anyway. Why punish them? Rebills are how you eat, and irritating your members will leave you hungry

01-26-2004, 06:34 PM	#16
DVTimes xxx Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: UK Posts: 31,547	I would say, that people join pay sites in order to 'own' the content. I will save pics all the time, often not looking at the pic at all, but its fun to know I have it. If I joined a site that did not let me save pics, then would soon cancel. But often you can find ways around it. At worse, you just get a art package that will do screen saves, then crop the pic. It would be like paying for a TV station, then finding I could not record a film from it. The simple option is put your web address on all your pics. if someone does post them, then its great advertising. __________________ The Affiliate Program

01-26-2004, 06:39 PM	#17
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	Why not use a DRM solution that de-activates the content when their membership runs out?

01-26-2004, 08:45 PM	#21
404 Confirmed abUser Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage Posts: 1,154	i'm not sure how they do it but this paysite stores their movies AND images in wmv format that only works on one computer http://dpa.asian-eve.com/en/pics-list.html http://dpa.asian-eve.com/en/upgrade.html http://dpa.asian-eve.com/en/faq.html __________________ (b] cheap hmtl programer for hire (/b)

01-27-2004, 11:05 AM	#23
Quotealex Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: The Global Digerati Village Posts: 6,265	But I really don't like the idea of paying $15,000+ to build a paysite so that some joe can donwload all my content just because he paid $15-$30 to join my site! Plus, some girls will be complaining that their pics/videos are all over the internet and because this they are upsetting their boyfriend, familly and friends!

01-27-2004, 08:39 PM	#24
latinasojourn Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,191	unfortunately it's a trade-off either way. surfers want to save the stuff they like on their HD. and you will have surfers posting your good stuff on usenet, whether you like it or not. best compromise probably is put a small watermark on your original stuff. so at least if it's posted or hot linked you'll get some action on it.