The market for extreme porn - is porn creating it or was it always there?

[Libertine]

I just saw a video of Gauge getting assfucked by a group of guys, after which some some other girl licked up the cum that was dripping from her asshole. That got me thinking.

Over the past few years extreme porn has pretty much become mainstream. Anal, gangbangs, bukkake, extremely rough sex, pissing, fisting, gaping assholes, etc have almost become the rule instead of the exception.
Obviously there's a market for it. Extreme sells, most of us know that. But where did that market come from?

It could be that the market for it was always there - people always liked extreme sex, they just couldn't get it before (at least, not without looking like a pervert at the local video store).
It could also be caused by changes in society as a whole. Sex has become mainstream entertainment, and that could have desensitized the masses. What you whack off to is in general more hardcore than the stuff you see all day long, after all. So, more explicit stuff on tv and in movies could be the reason.

What's also a possibility, however, is that the trend towards more extreme porn is caused by porn being so widely available through the internet. People can easily find standard couple hardcore for free anywhere on the net.
If you want to sell, harder stuff gives you an edge above the competition, if nothing else because it draws more attention. This, in turn, could very well cause people to become more tolerant to extreme stuff and desensitized to "normal" porn.

So what do you think about this subject? Do you think porn on the internet is the cause of the trend towards the extreme?
Also, will this trend continue, or will it eventually level out?
Opinions please.

[Platinumpimp]

reference drift,

people always want more and more and exploit their limits

I think more and more "extreme" sites pop. What's considered as extreme anyway nowadays

[Libertine]

Originally posted by PlatinumPimp
reference drift,

people always want more and more and exploit their limits

I think more and more "extreme" sites pop. What's considered as extreme anyway nowadays

But if that is the case, then the trend will probably continue... which means that in 20 years, beast, rape and kiddy porn will be "mainstream".

[natkejs]

I don't see what CP has to do with it.. that's not "extreme" it's "sick!".

The trend will probably continue, but I don't think it'll get that much "worse" if you wanna put it that way ... but it'll probably get more common.

If we're lucky we'll see ZOO category on all TGP's in a few years, whooo!

[Libertine]

Originally posted by natkejs
I don't see what CP has to do with it.. that's not "extreme" it's "sick!".

The trend will probably continue, but I don't think it'll get that much "worse" if you wanna put it that way ... but it'll probably get more common.

If we're lucky we'll see ZOO category on all TGP's in a few years, whooo!

The difference between "sick", "extreme" and "normal" is a cultural one. As culture changes, so do definitions.

[Jace]

after being the LA video industry for 3 years and doing a shitload of movies, i can tell you they cause the trends...if one company does something really well, before the 1st video hits the streets, 10 others do it.....

abnd I have heard plenty of talk on sets about "what can we do next?"....they NEVER ask what does the consumer seem to want next....ever

i am not saying all video companies do this, but majority....they create the trends, and mindless fat jackoffs sittin on their couch eat it up

[jacobt]

if you take into consideration that 50 years ago seeing more than a ladies feet was 'innappropriate', or that homosexuals were shunned because of their sexual orientation, then it becomes pretty apparant that as time goes on people are just giving into their more debase human wants.

[KraZ]

Originally posted by punkworld
I just saw a video of Gauge getting assfucked by a group of guys, after which some some other girl licked up the cum that was dripping from her asshole. That got me thinking.

I think I saw that too...

I can't say whether rape will be in Playboy by 2010 but cultural taboos always seem to be eroding, yet in 5000 years of civilization we still haven't quite reached the point where I would eat your liver as a form of entertainment. So trends could be misleading ...

Generally, extreme niches sell better because of the novelty factor... that's true for reality sex shows and not all of shows are extreme [some are not even hardcore]. But they are new... so people want to check them out.

Conclusion: it's curiosity, not the need to for the extreme that drives us

That and Gauge ... she drives me nuts ;)

[natkejs]

Originally posted by punkworld


The difference between "sick", "extreme" and "normal" is a cultural one. As culture changes, so do definitions.

Indeed, childporn just seems pretty far off.
Maybe not in Japan, but in the rest of the world..

Also you have to keep certain laws in mind.. why I say I don't think it'll get much "worse" is because there are laws that will stop it.

I don't see how the laws for childporn or rape would be dropped, so I don't see how it could make it to the big audience.

[liquidmoe]

I think novelty is definitely one factor but just because a lot of people here are desensitized to it doesnt mean much, there are some who find the more extreme porn to be offesnive and like the more stylized playboy content.

Aside from novelty its also personal taste, taste changes very rarely and never instantely, if reality sites blew up quickly, or if extreme blew up quickly its because people wanted it but had no outlet previously to view the materials.

Plus the internet definitely helps to keep things anonymous. Someone who wants to see crazy anal shit may think twice about renting it from their local video store, but how knows what you watch on the net.

[BobChezule]

Originally posted by punkworld


The difference between "sick", "extreme" and "normal" is a cultural one. As culture changes, so do definitions.

The different between "sick", "extreme" and "normal" is entirely personal, although your cultural exposure has some influence on that decision. However, some people have personal beliefs, perhaps deeply held religious convictions, that are going to prevent them from enjoying even vanilla porn. Others can't get enough of the fisting and pissing variety. I think culture plays a small part in it, but it all comes down to each individuals tastes.

[Libertine]

Originally posted by BobChezule


The different between "sick", "extreme" and "normal" is entirely personal, although your cultural exposure has some influence on that decision. However, some people have personal beliefs, perhaps deeply held religious convictions, that are going to prevent them from enjoying even vanilla porn. Others can't get enough of the fisting and pissing variety. I think culture plays a small part in it, but it all comes down to each individuals tastes.

Culture quite obviously plays much more than a small part in it. There are literally millions of examples.

For instance, the ancient Greeks found it normal for adult men to have relationships with young boys. Nowadays, just about everyone considers that "sick".
A few hundred years ago, western civilization considered it normal to marry and fuck 13 or 14 year old girls. We, on the other hand, find that sick.
There have been tribes of cannibals that thoroughly enjoyed eating the brains of their opponents. Sick? For us, not for them.

The personal beliefs you talk about are for a large part based on culture, as are the religious ones. The fact that there are different beliefs within western civilization merely means that there are different subcultures, not that ethics and preferences are developed individually.

[BobChezule]

I believe our "culture" has made porn more acceptable, but I think people's individual tastes in vanilla porn or extreme porn come down to something very personal. Has our culture made extreme porn acceptable? Is it less acceptable now that the attorney general is on a crusade?

[Libertine]

Originally posted by natkejs


Indeed, childporn just seems pretty far off.
Maybe not in Japan, but in the rest of the world..

Also you have to keep certain laws in mind.. why I say I don't think it'll get much "worse" is because there are laws that will stop it.

I don't see how the laws for childporn or rape would be dropped, so I don't see how it could make it to the big audience.

While child porn indeed seems pretty far off at first glance, one thing to keep in mind is that mainstream culture advertises children as sex objects these days (e.g. Hillary Duff).
And just think of porn starlets like Tawnee Stone. She looks (looked?) 16, not 18+. I personally think many of the men who get off on her would just as easily get off on, say, a 16 year old.

As for the laws, you have a point there. Then again, zoo porn is illegal in many places, and it still seems to thrive. (and as far as rape goes, rape fantasy content is legal in most places)

[Libertine]

Originally posted by BobChezule
I believe our "culture" has made porn more acceptable, but I think people's individual tastes in vanilla porn or extreme porn come down to something very personal. Has our culture made extreme porn acceptable? Is it less acceptable now that the attorney general is on a crusade?

Well, if you look at something like anal sex, that has grown incredibly over the past few decades. Not just in porn, but also in people's beds. That gives a pretty strong argument for the idea that porn in fact changes our sexual practices and even preferences.

[SleazyE]

There was always a market for extreme porn. I don't think you could market some of the video's today that were made in the 60s. The internet is just making it more mainstream. 30 years ago is was still underground and below the radar of politicians.

[Libertine]

Originally posted by SleazyE
There was always a market for extreme porn. I don't think you could market some of the video's today that were made in the 60s. The internet is just making it more mainstream. 30 years ago is was still underground and below the radar of politicians.

Well, extreme porn becoming mainstream is what surprises me. Sure, it always existed, but extreme becoming the norm is a rather big difference from how it used to be. Hence the term "extreme".

[pornkitten]

I think its both