Here's The Scoop On The Google Update Havoc - GoFuckYourself.com

KRL · 01-26-2004, 02:36 AM

Unlike other Google search results updates, the "Florida Update" - as this event has come to be known - caught a good many search engine professionals and online business owners off guard. The reason? Many search results were shifted dramatically from their previous positions, in some cases entire blocks of the first 100 results were replaced with new listings. This had the effect of 'demoting' previously high-ranking sites and relegating them to the netherworld of Google?s search results in pages 4 and up.

While the Florida Update has confused, frustrated and angered many professional search engine marketers and their clients - small to medium sized online businesses - Google has been characteristically silent on exactly what was changed in the search algorithm and why.

The only comment that can be found on the subject comes via a quote from Forbes magazine in which Wayne Rosing, vice president of engineering at Google, said the change is part of the Silicon Valley-based company's efforts to provide high-quality search results.

"This particular change affected more people, but our testing shows there was a significant quality improvement for our users," said Rosing.

Shortly after the Florida update, several people reported an interesting trick to figure out if the new Google Algorithm affected your rankings. The trick is to add a non-existent garbage term to the end of your keyword with a dash before it. For example if your keyword is "laptops", you would search for "laptops -dsfdsfdf". However, you will have to add one garbage term for each additional word in your search term. For example, if your keyword is "used laptops", then you would search for "used laptops -dsfdsff -dsfdsfdsf". If you search for our given example, you will see different results in the top 10.

There are a number of theories that have emerged - we will list and examine a few below. Remember - these are people's opinion - not fact. Until Google makes some type of official announcement, speculation is all that we have.

Speculation #1: Google quashed commercial results to increase revenues in its AdWords paid listing program prior to going public. The idea here is that by relegating lucrative commercial search listings to the unread bottom of the search results, the businesses would have to resort to Google?s AdWords program to get back to the top of the search results. The resulting revenue increase would benefit Google by inflating the IPO stock price.

Speculation #2: This is just a regular and innocent attempt by Google to reduce the prevalence of search engine spammers. This theory notes that some of the demoted sites could be construed as "artificially" increasing their Google rankings via multiple interconnected and commonly owned and linked web sites. This is known in search engine marketing lingo as "gaming the system" or "spamming the search engines". Since Google frowns on the practice of interconnecting sites with one common owner simply to increase rankings, the update is viewed as justified to reduce these artificially inflated search results.

Speculation #3: In order to remove patent restrictions Google introduced a newer "patent-free" algorithm. There has been speculation that the technology that drives Google's search results may have been patented and licensed from Stanford University and/or The National Science Foundation. This theory holds that the algorithm change was implemented in order to avoid paying royalties on these patents.

Speculation #4: The Florida Update represents a complete and total change in the way that Google calculates search results. This group suggests that the Applied Semantics technology acquired by Google is now being used on a search-by-search basis - in effect applying an "expert system" to "learn" which results are best for users. As search after search is conducted, the system adjusts the results based on what users end up clicking on. This theory holds that traditional "spidering" on sites and current PageRank systems will become less and less important to search results.

Speculation #5: The Google systems and algorithm simply became overwhelmed by the sheer magnitude and complexity of the Internet - in effect they have run out of computational overhead. Some have suggested that the new search results are in essence a "bug" in the Google code - brought on by the incredibly daunting task of evaluating the billions of web pages out there and sorting them into meaningful results. Further, the prevalence of blogs and blog cross-links seems to have thrown a curve into the Google algorithm mix.

There are many, many more theories and variations on the above listed hypotheses. With all the secrecy surrounding Google's ranking algorithms, their updating process in general, and their future plans, we may never know what really happened in the Florida Update. Like I said before, at this point - speculation is all we have.

Based on an analysis and research done by us here at Submit Express, we have figured out that the new algorithm lowers rankings of those sites that are over optimized for those keywords that are repeated too many times in the following areas: anchor text of incoming links, Site Title and Page Content. Our recommendation at this point to those that have been affected is to analyze their own rankings first and make adjustments to their site by lowering keywords in some of those areas. Anchor text of the incoming links, seem to be the most prominent factor. We would suggest that if you used keywords in your site links, to remove them or not to use the same keywords too many times. Again our own analysis may not be 100% accurate, but this is our closest guess to what may have happened.

In addition to the above algorithm change, Google also started listing 3 Froogle results on top the Google search results for certain terms. If you are not familiar with Froogle, basically it is a shopping search engine that Google launched about a year ago. For more details see our newsletter article from January 2003.

The Froogle results will only appear for certain ecommerce related products. You can see an example by typing in "Dell laptops" in Google.

dropped9 · 01-26-2004, 02:40 AM

Interesting stuff. Thx for the post!

- Jesus Christ - · 01-26-2004, 02:43 AM

Thats an old article about somthing that happened months ago and has no relevance to what is happening right now.

Looks like a lot of speculative crap, even regarding the change it was discussing.

KRL · 01-26-2004, 02:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Headless
Interesting stuff. Thx for the post!

"The only thing guaranteed in business is change."

TheJimmy · 01-26-2004, 02:44 AM

google is a fickle lil hoochie

BruceM · 01-26-2004, 02:45 AM

Thanks for the article KRL

"anchor text of incoming links"

dropped9 · 01-26-2004, 02:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL

"The only thing guaranteed in business is change."

Got that right... And one can only see the future by looking into the past... Dunno who made that quote, but i've always liked it.

adamneve · 01-26-2004, 02:48 AM

very intersting read

goBigtime · 01-26-2004, 03:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by - Jesus Christ -
Thats an old article about somthing that happened months ago and has no relevance to what is happening right now.

If that's true.. then maybe google took notice of speculation #1 - because that's not a bad idea

They could write a little code to analyze if a keyword/phrase has demand greater than X (lets say.. 3 or more people buying adwords spots) and if it does, then mix up the 'free' results for that listing to the point to where nobody but people with the largest amount of legit backlinks can get them.

- Jesus Christ - · 01-26-2004, 03:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by goBigtime

If that's true.. then maybe google took notice of speculation #1 - because that's not a bad idea

They could write a little code to analyze if a keyword/phrase has demand greater than X (lets say.. 3 or more people buying adwords spots) and if it does, then mix up the 'free' results for that listing to the point to where nobody but people with the largest amount of legit backlinks can get them.

That has actually been publicly denied by a tech currently employed at google (no I do not have a link to back up my claim, I didn't bookmark the interview) Doesnt mean that its true.... just that somone currently wokring inside claims its not going down like that. Even if it is.... your just going to see engines like yahoo gaining ground. (yahoo recently said they are breaking away from using the google engine in the near future)

WiredGuy · 01-26-2004, 03:31 AM

This is mostly in relation to the Florida update though. The speculations are rather accurate and based on my own research I would have to lean on point number 4 KRL made. It now appears that the page of someone linking to you better have a similiar topic to your page for the link to be meaningful and this will eliminate a lot of spammers artificially raised PR. Unfortunately, now with the Austin update looming, who knows what Google will change. The key idea is that change is coming.

WG

AdultNex · 01-26-2004, 04:15 AM

Si = SUM{key phrases p with k - i query terms} LevelScore(p) * FullnessFactor(p, q)

Sigh... Google makes my head spin sometimes.

vicki · 01-26-2004, 06:39 AM

I'd read that article awhile back and found it interesting to say the least since search engines are my 'hobby'

what I found is that with the 100 key phrases I track in my database, 95% of the url's that lost list ranking during the florida update regained thier positions (within 10) in the index that took place over the last few days

shepherd · 01-26-2004, 07:34 AM

Google lost it about a year ago when they started other updates. Since then, the results quality went down every update and Florida was just the crème of the pie.
No one really knows what's going on and like that article, there are hundreds of speculations. What best to do imho is keep doing what you did before, not change.
I'm happy that other SE's are gearing up towards search to take on google. AV image search is about 100 times better then google's and MSN, Yahoo (when not showing google results) and AV are also more relevant in the last few months.

slapass · 01-26-2004, 07:50 AM

google says that people liked it better. Total BS. Tons of searches turned up shit that was not even close the term searched for. I had several adult terms that only had religious pages int he serps. More relevent or spin control?

Trax · 01-26-2004, 07:58 AM

what i can tell you is that nobody knows nothing

AdultNex · 01-26-2004, 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Trax
what i can tell you is that nobody knows nothing

Grammar police alert: Double negative

scoreman · 01-26-2004, 08:03 AM

Good stuff KRL.

BTW I particularly liked your ocean analogy in the ARS thread, your def one of the better posters on this board.

wimpy · 01-26-2004, 08:47 AM

I maintained my rankings through florida. One #1 ranking is for an extremely competetive term which I have maintained for over a year now.

I think I kept my rankings because I don't link spam. Or maybe I should say "google does not perceive my links as spam." Primarily, I never exchange links with sites of different subjects. Ie, all inbound links are from competitors and/or relevent directories.

btw, I think it's fairly easy to maintain a #1 position once you've obtained it. #1 brings in link exchange requests by the truckload, and if you tend them right there's no way anyone is gonna unseat you.

goBigtime · 01-26-2004, 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by - Jesus Christ -
That has actually been publicly denied by a tech currently employed at google

xxxjay · 01-26-2004, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL
Unlike other Google search results updates, the "Florida Update" - as this event has come to be known - caught a good many search engine professionals and online business owners off guard. The reason? Many search results were shifted dramatically from their previous positions, in some cases entire blocks of the first 100 results were replaced with new listings. This had the effect of 'demoting' previously high-ranking sites and relegating them to the netherworld of Google?s search results in pages 4 and up.

While the Florida Update has confused, frustrated and angered many professional search engine marketers and their clients - small to medium sized online businesses - Google has been characteristically silent on exactly what was changed in the search algorithm and why.

The only comment that can be found on the subject comes via a quote from Forbes magazine in which Wayne Rosing, vice president of engineering at Google, said the change is part of the Silicon Valley-based company's efforts to provide high-quality search results.

"This particular change affected more people, but our testing shows there was a significant quality improvement for our users," said Rosing.

Shortly after the Florida update, several people reported an interesting trick to figure out if the new Google Algorithm affected your rankings. The trick is to add a non-existent garbage term to the end of your keyword with a dash before it. For example if your keyword is "laptops", you would search for "laptops -dsfdsfdf". However, you will have to add one garbage term for each additional word in your search term. For example, if your keyword is "used laptops", then you would search for "used laptops -dsfdsff -dsfdsfdsf". If you search for our given example, you will see different results in the top 10.

There are a number of theories that have emerged - we will list and examine a few below. Remember - these are people's opinion - not fact. Until Google makes some type of official announcement, speculation is all that we have.

Speculation #1: Google quashed commercial results to increase revenues in its AdWords paid listing program prior to going public. The idea here is that by relegating lucrative commercial search listings to the unread bottom of the search results, the businesses would have to resort to Google?s AdWords program to get back to the top of the search results. The resulting revenue increase would benefit Google by inflating the IPO stock price.

Speculation #2: This is just a regular and innocent attempt by Google to reduce the prevalence of search engine spammers. This theory notes that some of the demoted sites could be construed as "artificially" increasing their Google rankings via multiple interconnected and commonly owned and linked web sites. This is known in search engine marketing lingo as "gaming the system" or "spamming the search engines". Since Google frowns on the practice of interconnecting sites with one common owner simply to increase rankings, the update is viewed as justified to reduce these artificially inflated search results.

Speculation #3: In order to remove patent restrictions Google introduced a newer "patent-free" algorithm. There has been speculation that the technology that drives Google's search results may have been patented and licensed from Stanford University and/or The National Science Foundation. This theory holds that the algorithm change was implemented in order to avoid paying royalties on these patents.

Speculation #4: The Florida Update represents a complete and total change in the way that Google calculates search results. This group suggests that the Applied Semantics technology acquired by Google is now being used on a search-by-search basis - in effect applying an "expert system" to "learn" which results are best for users. As search after search is conducted, the system adjusts the results based on what users end up clicking on. This theory holds that traditional "spidering" on sites and current PageRank systems will become less and less important to search results.

Speculation #5: The Google systems and algorithm simply became overwhelmed by the sheer magnitude and complexity of the Internet - in effect they have run out of computational overhead. Some have suggested that the new search results are in essence a "bug" in the Google code - brought on by the incredibly daunting task of evaluating the billions of web pages out there and sorting them into meaningful results. Further, the prevalence of blogs and blog cross-links seems to have thrown a curve into the Google algorithm mix.

There are many, many more theories and variations on the above listed hypotheses. With all the secrecy surrounding Google's ranking algorithms, their updating process in general, and their future plans, we may never know what really happened in the Florida Update. Like I said before, at this point - speculation is all we have.

Based on an analysis and research done by us here at Submit Express, we have figured out that the new algorithm lowers rankings of those sites that are over optimized for those keywords that are repeated too many times in the following areas: anchor text of incoming links, Site Title and Page Content. Our recommendation at this point to those that have been affected is to analyze their own rankings first and make adjustments to their site by lowering keywords in some of those areas. Anchor text of the incoming links, seem to be the most prominent factor. We would suggest that if you used keywords in your site links, to remove them or not to use the same keywords too many times. Again our own analysis may not be 100% accurate, but this is our closest guess to what may have happened.

In addition to the above algorithm change, Google also started listing 3 Froogle results on top the Google search results for certain terms. If you are not familiar with Froogle, basically it is a shopping search engine that Google launched about a year ago. For more details see our newsletter article from January 2003.

The Froogle results will only appear for certain ecommerce related products. You can see an example by typing in "Dell laptops" in Google.

That's a lot of speculation - and only that.

tranza · 01-26-2004, 10:24 PM

I'll bookmark this thread to read later... I'm just to tired to do it now and it seems very interesting...

Thanks for posting...

01-26-2004, 02:45 AM	#6
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01-26-2004, 03:31 AM	#11
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,482	This is mostly in relation to the Florida update though. The speculations are rather accurate and based on my own research I would have to lean on point number 4 KRL made. It now appears that the page of someone linking to you better have a similiar topic to your page for the link to be meaningful and this will eliminate a lot of spammers artificially raised PR. Unfortunately, now with the Austin update looming, who knows what Google will change. The key idea is that change is coming. WG __________________ I play with Google.

01-26-2004, 06:39 AM	#13
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01-26-2004, 08:03 AM	#18
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01-26-2004, 02:36 AM	#1
KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	Here's The Scoop On The Google Update Havoc Unlike other Google search results updates, the "Florida Update" - as this event has come to be known - caught a good many search engine professionals and online business owners off guard. The reason? Many search results were shifted dramatically from their previous positions, in some cases entire blocks of the first 100 results were replaced with new listings. This had the effect of 'demoting' previously high-ranking sites and relegating them to the netherworld of Google?s search results in pages 4 and up. While the Florida Update has confused, frustrated and angered many professional search engine marketers and their clients - small to medium sized online businesses - Google has been characteristically silent on exactly what was changed in the search algorithm and why. The only comment that can be found on the subject comes via a quote from Forbes magazine in which Wayne Rosing, vice president of engineering at Google, said the change is part of the Silicon Valley-based company's efforts to provide high-quality search results. "This particular change affected more people, but our testing shows there was a significant quality improvement for our users," said Rosing. Shortly after the Florida update, several people reported an interesting trick to figure out if the new Google Algorithm affected your rankings. The trick is to add a non-existent garbage term to the end of your keyword with a dash before it. For example if your keyword is "laptops", you would search for "laptops -dsfdsfdf". However, you will have to add one garbage term for each additional word in your search term. For example, if your keyword is "used laptops", then you would search for "used laptops -dsfdsff -dsfdsfdsf". If you search for our given example, you will see different results in the top 10. There are a number of theories that have emerged - we will list and examine a few below. Remember - these are people's opinion - not fact. Until Google makes some type of official announcement, speculation is all that we have. Speculation #1: Google quashed commercial results to increase revenues in its AdWords paid listing program prior to going public. The idea here is that by relegating lucrative commercial search listings to the unread bottom of the search results, the businesses would have to resort to Google?s AdWords program to get back to the top of the search results. The resulting revenue increase would benefit Google by inflating the IPO stock price. Speculation #2: This is just a regular and innocent attempt by Google to reduce the prevalence of search engine spammers. This theory notes that some of the demoted sites could be construed as "artificially" increasing their Google rankings via multiple interconnected and commonly owned and linked web sites. This is known in search engine marketing lingo as "gaming the system" or "spamming the search engines". Since Google frowns on the practice of interconnecting sites with one common owner simply to increase rankings, the update is viewed as justified to reduce these artificially inflated search results. Speculation #3: In order to remove patent restrictions Google introduced a newer "patent-free" algorithm. There has been speculation that the technology that drives Google's search results may have been patented and licensed from Stanford University and/or The National Science Foundation. This theory holds that the algorithm change was implemented in order to avoid paying royalties on these patents. Speculation #4: The Florida Update represents a complete and total change in the way that Google calculates search results. This group suggests that the Applied Semantics technology acquired by Google is now being used on a search-by-search basis - in effect applying an "expert system" to "learn" which results are best for users. As search after search is conducted, the system adjusts the results based on what users end up clicking on. This theory holds that traditional "spidering" on sites and current PageRank systems will become less and less important to search results. Speculation #5: The Google systems and algorithm simply became overwhelmed by the sheer magnitude and complexity of the Internet - in effect they have run out of computational overhead. Some have suggested that the new search results are in essence a "bug" in the Google code - brought on by the incredibly daunting task of evaluating the billions of web pages out there and sorting them into meaningful results. Further, the prevalence of blogs and blog cross-links seems to have thrown a curve into the Google algorithm mix. There are many, many more theories and variations on the above listed hypotheses. With all the secrecy surrounding Google's ranking algorithms, their updating process in general, and their future plans, we may never know what really happened in the Florida Update. Like I said before, at this point - speculation is all we have. Based on an analysis and research done by us here at Submit Express, we have figured out that the new algorithm lowers rankings of those sites that are over optimized for those keywords that are repeated too many times in the following areas: anchor text of incoming links, Site Title and Page Content. Our recommendation at this point to those that have been affected is to analyze their own rankings first and make adjustments to their site by lowering keywords in some of those areas. Anchor text of the incoming links, seem to be the most prominent factor. We would suggest that if you used keywords in your site links, to remove them or not to use the same keywords too many times. Again our own analysis may not be 100% accurate, but this is our closest guess to what may have happened. In addition to the above algorithm change, Google also started listing 3 Froogle results on top the Google search results for certain terms. If you are not familiar with Froogle, basically it is a shopping search engine that Google launched about a year ago. For more details see our newsletter article from January 2003. The Froogle results will only appear for certain ecommerce related products. 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01-26-2004, 02:40 AM	#2
dropped9 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Your moms box Posts: 26,727	Interesting stuff. Thx for the post!

01-26-2004, 02:43 AM	#3
- Jesus Christ - Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: ::::::::::::: :::::::::::\|\|::::::::::: :::::::::::\|\|::::::::::: :::::::::::\|\|::::::::::: :::::::::::\|\|::::::::::: :::::::::::\|\|::::::::::: ::::::\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|:::::: :::::::::::\|\|::::::::::: :::::::::::\|\|::::::::::: :::::::::::::::::::::::: Posts: 7,197	Thats an old article about somthing that happened months ago and has no relevance to what is happening right now. Looks like a lot of speculative crap, even regarding the change it was discussing. __________________ Amen

01-26-2004, 02:44 AM	#5
TheJimmy ICQ- five seven 0 2 5 5 0 Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 10,747	google is a fickle lil hoochie __________________ Investor with 5m - 15m USD to invest. Do you have a site or network of sites earning 50k - 200k a month income? Email your contact and preliminary data to: domain.cashventures (at) gmail.com....Please...no tire kickers...serious offers and inquiries only.

01-26-2004, 04:15 AM	#12
AdultNex Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bostonnnn Posts: 8,985	Si = SUM{key phrases p with k - i query terms} LevelScore(p) * FullnessFactor(p, q) Sigh... Google makes my head spin sometimes.

01-26-2004, 07:34 AM	#14
shepherd Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 424	Google lost it about a year ago when they started other updates. Since then, the results quality went down every update and Florida was just the crème of the pie. No one really knows what's going on and like that article, there are hundreds of speculations. What best to do imho is keep doing what you did before, not change. I'm happy that other SE's are gearing up towards search to take on google. AV image search is about 100 times better then google's and MSN, Yahoo (when not showing google results) and AV are also more relevant in the last few months.

01-26-2004, 07:50 AM	#15
slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,622	google says that people liked it better. Total BS. Tons of searches turned up shit that was not even close the term searched for. I had several adult terms that only had religious pages int he serps. More relevent or spin control?

01-26-2004, 07:58 AM	#16
Trax [----------------------] Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,486	what i can tell you is that nobody knows nothing

01-26-2004, 08:47 AM	#19
wimpy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Cali Posts: 607	I maintained my rankings through florida. One #1 ranking is for an extremely competetive term which I have maintained for over a year now. I think I kept my rankings because I don't link spam. Or maybe I should say "google does not perceive my links as spam." Primarily, I never exchange links with sites of different subjects. Ie, all inbound links are from competitors and/or relevent directories. btw, I think it's fairly easy to maintain a #1 position once you've obtained it. #1 brings in link exchange requests by the truckload, and if you tend them right there's no way anyone is gonna unseat you. __________________ Fyodor Dostoyevsky wrote: "Every man has reminiscences which he would not tell to everyone but only his friends. He has other matters in his mind which he would not reveal even to his friends, but only to himself, and that in secret. But there are other things which a man is afraid to tell even to himself, and every decent man has a number of such things stored away in his mind." icq 8243657

01-26-2004, 10:24 PM	#22
tranza ICQ: 197-556-237 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: BRASIL !!! Posts: 57,559	I'll bookmark this thread to read later... I'm just to tired to do it now and it seems very interesting... Thanks for posting... __________________ I'm just a newbie.