I hope you are listening to the state of the union...bush talking about the good ole patriot act

from memory, the smaller building had a huge fuel storage tank in it to feed the emergency power generator(s), which apparently played no small part in the building's demise.

At the time of building 7's collapse there was NO FIRE in the lower floors, including the basement where the generators were located. The only small fires were in the topmost floors.

The whole thing about diesel fuel storage was brought up by FEMA during their investigation of the collapse some months later. But even their own report found no causal link between generators, fuel and the collapse. They concluded that the building collapsed for "unknown reasons". They knew that they would have gotten blasted by engineers and scientists if they officially wrote any garbage about diesel fueled generators causing the collapse. Every modern skyscraper in the world has generators and diesel fuel, yet none have collapsed due to fire.

You make me laugh. Really. You are grasping at straws, crazy man.

You say that it's common parlance in the world of industrial demolition. Tell me, what background does Larry Silverstein have in industrial demolition that he is familiar with such terminology?

The thought never crossed your mind that he was telling them to pull the attack on the fire? To just let the building burn. Get all the firefighters out before it collapsed, because <i>they</i> determined they weren't going to be able to beat the fire.

You are such a retard.

Remind me not to pull my dick later tonight, i wouldn't want to demolish my cock with industrial explosives.

[You say that it's common parlance in the world of industrial demolition. Tell me, what background does Larry Silverstein have in industrial demolition that he is familiar with such terminology?]

He is a major real estate developer in NYC and has been for many years. It is highly likely that he himself has overseen the demolition and/or restoration of numerous properties. Either way, the industrial term "pull the building" would, at the very least, be in his vocabulary. Silverstein is not the average man off the street.


[The thought never crossed your mind that he was telling them to pull the attack on the fire?]

Yes. But see above. Also watch the complete documentary and you will see the term "pull the building" used not once but twice in that documenatry. Silverstein uses the term, as seen in the clip, and a FDNY worker uses the term just before they actually demolish another building (Building 6 of the WTC complex).

[You are such a retard.]

I disagree with this statement.

[Remind me not to pull my dick later tonight, i wouldn't want to demolish my cock with industrial explosives. ]

You are hereby reminded.

Right on...you are on the wall...we want you on the wall...we need you on the wall. Wonton the knower of truth...defender of truth...the whole truth and nothing but the truth. WTF is wrong with you people...can you not HANDLE THE TRUTH???

I love conspiracy nuts...and the nutty in general...better than any comedian on the circuit or on TV.

Assumption and speculation? You have no way of knowing he knew of the terminology.

This doesn't mean shit. First, you say the guy says "pull the building" while the clip with Silverstein shows him saying "Pull it."

Those are two different statements. One being made by someone in the demolition industry (presumably) that is familiar with demolition terminology and another being made by a businessman. You call this proof?

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Mr. Dog,

The only proof you really need is to watch the video of the WTC Building 7 collapse. There you will see a 47 story, modern skyscraper with two small fires in the upper floors. You will then see this perfectly solid building collapse right before your eyes, *as if it was destroyed in a perfectly timed industrial demolition*. You will also hear CBS news anchor Dan Rather stating as much.

The additional PBS video with Silverstein's infamous statement is to be watched in context with the above and hundreds of other peices of related facts. Do any one of these facts *prove* the buildings were demolished purposefully? Probably not. But do all these facts put together demonstrate, beyond a shadow of a reasonable doubt of the same? Probably yes.

It's rather amazing how people will believe the government's own conspiracy theory *without a SHRED of evidence* and will still stick to the party line even if all the available evidence points in the OPPOSITE DIRECTION.

As I said before:

Baaaaaa. Baaaaa.

Good to see that you are finally on the right track.

When former military people stand up against the coming military dictatorship, that dictatorship will start to collapse.

Read what your former General Tommy Franks has to say about the elimination of the US Constitution after the next major terrorist attack. He also thinks Bush is a genius and refers to democracy as simply "an experiment". Read it and weep because this is the shape of things to come:


GENERAL FRANKS PREDICTS DESTRUCTION OF US CONSTITUTION

I thought the towers went down because the heat from the burning jet fuel drove heat levels higher than the metal beams could withstand. I am not saying this for sure, this is what I had heard from other news sources.

Actually after the fall of the towers, there were a couple of the buildings destroyed, becase of the smoke damage that came from the towers falling! Anybody that didn't hear and know about the Tower 7 being demolished, and thought it collopsed with the other two towers, didn't pay close attention!

There was also the Hotel that was demolished for the same reason!

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You'll never know the truth as US government is hiding everything.

Those two small fires? The fires were obviously big enough for the fire department to concede defeat. Oh wait, they must have been in on it as well, right?

The <i>uneducated opinion</i> of Dan Rather or any other news anchor for that matter, is irrelevant. It's funny how you don't have masses of civil engineers and demolition experts jumping around saying it was a rigged explosion.

Oh pleeeeeeeeeeeease. You'll believe anything you want to believe, and you'll distort and stretch "facts" to no end to support your theories.

And what are you? You read this nonsense and as far as you're concerned, it's fact. You just accept it without so much as a second thought. You are as much of a sheep as the most devoted CNN viewer.

Well i must say some interesting post here. I do see both sides of what people are saying. Wonton most of your info you are showing his is from alex jones. There are alot of things that go on these days are goverment does but does not let us know about. I find it hard to belive some material that you find out there on the net. I will admit you do bring good points and there are things that are questionable. I could show you Proof accoring to major newspapers numerous things. There are things i do question and thats stuff i actually know and not just read. like this: People for years have been talking about NWO. well i laughed for years about Until i was watching cnn last summer and the prime minister from saudi arabia was doing a live interview im gonna qoute one line from him in that interview.
"we the people of saudi arabia want to thank the united states and the NWO for working together to help ..... I cant remeber the rest off the top of my head. Then right in the middle of interview after he said that they broke away. Remember people we live in the Greatest county in the world but also one on the most cooked countys in the world!

There is definitely two sides to every coin, but just look at this way. Terrorist action occurs, a nation brings those people responsible to justice. If it fails to do so, then you should ask why.

Case and point Israel and the olympic games. All terrorists involved were eventually tracked down and killed.

First WTF bombing, terrorists tracked down and tried.

Oklahoma City Bombing, tracked down and tried.

Sniper in the D.C. area (not exactly a terrorist but then again he sure did instill terror in quite a few people during his spree), tracked down and tried.

Its been how many months and how many years since 9/11 and we have no one to really bring to justice for these crimes? Don't think that crimes are easy to perpertrate, especially something of this scale, there is always a paper trail, and yet the U.S. government can't find anything?

Even if it is terrorists the way it has handled the investigation and hasn't been able to bring the party to justice is reason enough to be angry with the government.

Thank god I had no loved ones or family members or friends killed in this incident, because I would certainly be pissed with how the government dropped the ball on wrapping this matter up.

And if you still arent sure, ask yourself this, if a close relative died that day, would you have closure right now with the information released and with the way the government has acted since the event?

Not meaning to lend any credibility to either side of this argument, just a question.

Wonton, what would you have us do? Grab our guns (what's left of them) and go storm the White House? The CIA building? The Pentagon?
Do you think that voting out Bush will help? Never mind the old saying "here's the new boss, same as the old boss". Do we rise up and start a revolution or do we simply go put little pieces of paper in boxes this fall and hope that it all goes away?

Seriously... even if everyone who read this were to believe it, what would you have us do?

.........and the silence was deafening.......

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Be aware. That's all. No need for revolutions in the street or civil disobedience. The powers that be are well prepared for that. Awareness is the key. Once the American mainstream starts to ask serious questions on 9/11, the power of government to fool the people will slowly but surely erode.

As the old saying goes: People get the government they deserve.

An educated populace will get a government more worthy of this great nation...

A have a question: what does it matter? What will it change if it was the US Government, Al Qaeda, the CIA, the Backstreet Boys or Bill Clinton who destroyed the building?

I wish it were that easy, honestly.
Even if our entire populace were to wake up tomorrow to all of the incremental movements that our gov't has been passing by on us, there's still nothiing we can do without a full revolution.

Changing presidents won't do it. Changing out the House and Senate completely won't do it. The back channels are still im*bed*ded too deeply and the same shit would just keep happening.

I didn't get to watch the SOU address tonight, laid down for a nap and actually slept through it. But Bush was *supposed* to talk about a 0% FHA loan for first-time home buyers, "to get more people into home ownership". Sounds good at first; until you look at the reality of it - these people can't afford houses and giving them this opportunity is simply opening the door to put them farther into debt and hence make them *more* dependent on the gov't.
Get the kids through the public schools, get their parents through simple "need a helping hand? we've got one, all you gotta do is..." tomfoolery.

I need to go look up the text of his speech and see if he did end up proposing it.

This stuff has been going on for much longer than just 9/11. 50 years at the least, more likely much much longer.
Once you let something slide so far, there's really no getting it back.
We need a revolution like we need the sun to rise tomorrow.

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Yes. If you are in a house trapped with someone who you think is your friend/ally and he tells you there is a psychotic murderer outside trying to get it, you focus all your attention on defending your house from the outside intruder. But if your friend/ally is really the psychotic murderer and you are not aware of this....you can see how THAT situation is many times more dangerous.

The government who we think is protecting us really isn't. And the civil liberties that we are slowly but surely giving up in exchange for security will get us nothing but misery in the long run. Ask the people of any of the former Soviet bloc countries. They learned their lesson the long and hard way.

Read the Nobel Prize-winning book, "Gulag Archipelago" by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn. The story of how an entire nation of smart, strong people gave up their freedoms all too easily to the powers of tyranny disguised as security.

History repeats itself. That's all it ever does.

First of all, I didn't ask a yes or no question.

Second of all, your analogy is weak. My friend being a psychotic murder poses an immediate and obvious threat to me and me alone. Your government poses a potential and supposed threat to your nation. And they're not out to kill you specifically.

Third, it's your government, not mine.

Fourth, if you don't like your government, move elsewhere. It's the quickest and easiest solution.

Here are some pertinent analogies:
If you were in an abusive relationship, you'd leave the abuser.
If you were unhappy at your job and were offered a good job elsewhere, you'd quit.
If you were in a room slowly filling with poisonous gas and the door was unlocked, you'd walk out.

Why should your place of residence be any different?

Take the tin foil off you head, before the Martians take over your brain! I guess you did not get the memo from the Masons!

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What people fail to see is that the wtc is just a small piece of what is about to come...It truley sad that every day i turn the news on and see more troops and iraqi people dead over money and power. People are to busy with there everyday lives to sitback and watch what is really going on. God bless our boys over there and lets all pray for there safe return.

I am perhaps guilty of supplying a weak analogy. But the intent behind it still stands - it does make a difference if the government is complicit in 9/11. It does make a difference if the War on Terror is a giant fraud.

And it is not a question of not "liking" the government. Plus, there is no where to move. What is coming across the horizon will be global in nature. And the best way to try to correct the situation is to stay at the epicentre and spread awareness.

How many times have you moved from one country to another? Leaving your entire family and your roots behind? 4 times? 5? I suppose you know the difference then between quitting your job or breaking up with a g/f and moving to a new country.

Anyhow..... It's *is* possible that' 9/11 was not a conspiracy. If it wasn't, it was just the greatest stroke of luck for the US administration. Personally, I don't place much faith in luck....

I've never had to do it because I'm perfectly happy where I live right now.

I'm a firm believer in the concept that you have no right to bitch about something unless you're proactive in fixing what your bitching about.

Spreading conspiracy theories on GFY will not accomplish much.

Just curious did we ever find those weapons of mass distruction that we have proof that they had them in iraq?

Damn, I don't even worry about that, I'm still wondering how the fuck they managed to find the passport of one of the hijackers in the street outside Tower 1.
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umm yeah - those weapons lol



hey wonton - one of the best posts on gfy for ages - take it easy bro

uh... yeah. the "snuck in" to place a "small military grade explosive" blah blah.

are you retarded? do you know what it takes to demolish a fucking office building? its a major operation that takes a shitload of planning, coordination and people. what the fuck does a Seal team blowing up mud huts in Crapistan have to do with demolishing an office building in the center of Manhatten in what is undoubtedly the most covered event in the history of news media?

then you want everyone to believe that uhmmm... what.... the area was secretly cleared while a building in downtown manhatten was blown up? no one got wise? how was a building demolished in an area flooded with emergency services personnel and media without anyone knowing? no one noticed a series of explosives big enough to topple an office building? were these also new super secret silent explosives that you can also see on the Discovery Channel?

you redefine stupidity with every post you make.

Exactly....a plane isn't enough

who said a fully fueled 757 travelling at 400 knots is not enough?

of course its enough. it's another thing to argue that it could happen without any one of the 10,000,000 people in the area noticing.

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Pleasurepays,

I am afraid your stance is illogical by virtue of wanting to have your cake and eat it too. On the one hand, you are saying that demolishing a building is a "major operation that takes a shitload of planning". But on the other hand, by accepting the government's story, you are simultaneously accepting that building 7 collapsed symmetrically due to a small fire in the upper floor (remember building 7 was not hit by a plane).

So which is it? Does the controlled collapse of a modern skyscraper require a major operation and a shitload of planning? Or can the same be achieved by simply starting a small fire in the topmost floor? You can't have it both ways. Are you capable of seeing the massive inconsistency in your present belief?

The truth of the matter is that collapsing a skyscraper in a controlled fashion (without a jet) does take careful planning IF you only have access to INDUSTRIAL explosives (i.e. TNT). If you have access to MILITARY grade explosives then only the main support columns need to be targeted and such an operation could be set up fairly quickly by teams specially trained for such missions. Contrary to your mistaken assumption, SEAL and DELTA teams do not just "blow up mud huts in Crapistan". A specialized, seven man seal team can rig a modern building or an oil rig in the Persian Gulf with enough thermite to demolish it, all within a matter of a few hours.

You didn't answer his question about the magical silent explosives. Explain that. I heard no explosion. I heard the building coming down, but heard no explosion.