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Hooper

151 New Webmasters..

Damnit. You beat me to 150 ;-)

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49thParallel

www.killercash.com
The honest, high converting alternative.

Hooper

hahaha, i bet you're from canada huh?

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Hooper

yeah, promote killercash if you feel like promoting STOLEN software.

Apparently 49th thinks it's better to have passive billing and sell stolen products than it is to develop your own.

You arent very good at picking horses are you?

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Hooper

49th dingleberry?

whats up? im laughing my ass off here, you are advocating that people promote stolen software over our in house developed products?

install spykiller and then install adaware (the most respected free adware detector/remover) and adaware reports spykiller as using a stolend adaware database.

lol!

go shove your head back up your ass where it came from.. hahaha

http://www.idownload.com - where you wont be selling stolen goods

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Wiseman

And the crouds wait in silence for a rebuttle........................................

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49thParallel

Careful who's leg you chew there Hooper. You know as well as I that Danilo of KillerCash spends literally months on program development.

And, killercash doesn't play by the same rules as the scam artists on this board. So, before you make empty claims (unlike the claims I have made about your techniques) you best do your research a little better..or...as any good lawyer would say...I smell libel.

I must say you have an interesting approach to justifying your crooked sales techniques. Let's see, what would this be called..oh yah, deflection.

P.S. My definition of "stolen". - a software program that hides a sleazy monthly membership charge in the T & C's, so as to steal a customer's money. example -idownloadcrap.com

Hooper

ok, well tell his lawyer to contact mine and we'll pay them 400 bucks an hour to talk.

i could care less.

i'm sure he appreciates you making legal threats on his behalf.

your agenda becomes more clear every post you make Brian

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Hooper

didnt you know that the first person who starts issuing legal threats loses?

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Hooper

on that note, if you are actually dumb enough to be promoting one of these "alternative" programs, i'll guarantee that i'll DOUBLE whatever you were making from them with the SAME traffic

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49thParallel

Def'n of Brian's agenda - to try to convince other webmasters that just because we promote adult material (or software) doesn't mean that we have to become bottom suckers.

So...your sales techniques are acceptable why...or did we forget the main slant of this thread.

Disclaimer...I am not in any way associated with killercash, regnow or shareware.com. They are just shining examples of how "real" business operate. But thanks for playing Hooper.

Hooper

my sales techniques?

exactly what have i *DONE* that you disapprove of Brian? what *actual* billing have we done that you find so distasteful?

and webmasters care about their wallets, not YOUR version of morality.

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Hooper

i smell the sour grapes of somebody who wishes he could afford to do more than post on a message board.

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Hooper

hey brian? dipshit?

do you actually know anybody who has ever been billed by us? have you been billed by us?

or are you just an idiot who makes assumptions?

which is it?

our better business bureau record, our truste record, our flawless/spotless payment record, and our tens of thousands of satisfied customers with a less than .01% chargeback rate all scream that we're doing something right.

It's about time that somebody with a marketing brain started selling software, cause all these guys youve mentioned dont have a clue!

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49thParallel

And as we turn back the hands of time....
You have a clause hidden in your T & C's that allows for recurring billing. (whether or not billing is occuring right now...the presence of this clause would indicate that plans are in place to begin soon).

So, to recap, my problem (and the problem of some other webmasters who have posted their disagreement with your billing process) is that you have chosen to cheat and steal from the surfer, instead of developing a clear and effective marketing campaign that sells the software on the software's merits...and doesn't rely on shady extra billings.

If you are so sure that the surfer wants your Software of the month club...then it should be prominently featured...not hidden in the depths of the T & C's.

Kapeesh...

Hooper

so then you confess to being an idiot because your accusations are without foundation?

because of something that i *COULD* do if i wanted to?

well i'll confess, i confess, i'm in business to make money, unlike fellows like you who sit alone in a room trying to find flaws in other peoples forward thinking ideas.

next time i develop something i'll make sure to give you a ring and make sure you approve first. are there any other items of our terms that you would like me to change? cause i really value your opinion. lol.

mark my words brian, idownload is a forward looking and progressive idea, and we will begin offering enterprise level products that none of your little shops could ever even begin to develop.

promote iDownload and make big $$$

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Hooper

i also welcome you to compete with me, if you have a better way of doing things, then DO IT you pussy.

but my guess is you'll just continue to be a mouth full of hot air.

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49thParallel

Oh...you are tiring aren't you. So, let's see what we have here. On one side Hooper...trying his best to discredit me through possible scenarios. And then we have me - simply stating what can be proved outright...the Software of the month club charge IS listed in Hooper's T & C's. But, oh no, he doesn't ever plan on actually implementing it, is he. Of course not. The extra charge is simply there to scare away some of those pesky customers that WERE going to purchase the software.
Yep, you are right...this industry needs a marketing genius like you...(insert sarcasm here).

Hooper

for those of you who just tuned in, lets recap:

iDownload launches, new products, great payouts.

Haters pick apart 10 page terms and conditions and find one line they dont like because it allows for a billing method they dont feel is upfront.

Page 4 ensues, several hundred new webmasters later one person is posting for profit, and the other is posting just because.. well.. because he has nothing better to do?

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mrthumbs

for those of you who just tuned in, lets recap:

hooper is a wannabe scammer

Wiseman

I need a beer

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Hooper

kind of, not a scammer as i've been trying to prove

but not a wannabee... cause if i really wanted to rip people off, we'd just bill them. wouldnt even bother putting terms, would lie about the price, would pass their credit cards over to our friends.

of course, since idownload has been around for a while and between our retail deals, our internet distribution and more we're focused on staying in business and making as much money as possible, for us.. and our webmasters

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49thParallel

And again to recap, there are plenty better and PROVEN programs out there that DON'T rip off the customer. Try www.regnow.com or www.killercash.com to start.... Companies that have both been successfully selling software for a good many years.

Or you can subject your surfers to Hoopers hidden software of the month recurring charge.

Hooper, the answer is simple...if you really don't plan on ever using your hidden recurring charge..then remove it. Otherwise the title of sleaze bag is yours to keep.

mrthumbs

uhm.. basicly that EXACTLY what you did.

But you know it. And to be honest: i dont care. Really.

Its just your stupidity and contradictions in this thread
that annoys me. But ill get over it.

Succes with the program dude.

Hooper

and the title of "old woman" is yours to keep.

you're beating a dead horse bro. if you think that people are scurrying over to some 10% revshare program where they can make *up to* 8 bucks per sale then you've stumbled into the wrong place.

iDownload, we convert better than ANYBODY... GUARANTEED!

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49thParallel

So...does that mean you will be removing the hidden Software of the month club recurring charge?
Sorry there poodle, you lost me about 50 posts ago when you referred to yourself as a businessman.

Hooper

the opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference.

i'm GLAD that some people here hate what i'm doing (although i'm telling you for a fact that many more people love it because #'s dont lie)

as my mentor has said... "dont worry if people are talking about you... worry if they're not!" ;-))

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Hooper

I APPRECIATE you playing my adversary in this thread.

If you werent here acting like you are the self proclaimed marketing police this thread would have died yesterday

http://www.idownload.com - love it or hate it... we're the best there is. let us prove it to you!

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Hooper

goddangit quiet. you triggered my postbot.

now i gotta go load it up with a few new posts.

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JimmySlits

Classic!!! And so dead on!

Hooper

and other than being kens post boy, jimmy slits is who?

you seem to think i copied his idea.

Domain Name: POPUPBLOCKER.COM
Created on..............: Tue, Mar 26, 2002

our popupblocker was developed well before the one that you keep bringing up.

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pornoshare

The only differences between Hooper and Atherton.

Atherton chose something good to sell, Atherton doesnt recur

JimmySlits

LOL
I post for NO one.
Ken is more than capable of taking care of himself.

To clarify, when Ken came out with his popupblocker you were the first to stand up and try to be the pillar of integrity in this industry while pointing out how horrible it was to sell this popup blocker. That popup blockers would destroy a awesome revenue stream in this biz(exit consoles). You even threaten a BULL SHIT lawsuit. A year later you come back with your own and on top of that, shady ass billing. Bravo, great thinking outside of the box.

You were full of bullshit then, and you are full of self serving bullshit now. 49thParallel nailed it. And did a lot of other people.

As for who I am? LOL... I amj ust a guy that has a very low tolerance for bullshit. Further, I could give a rat ass about who you think you are. You are just another cocksucker who gives this biz a bad name. Your track record speaks for itself.

Hooper

atherton cant recur and he doesnt provide what he promises.

everybody i know who has joined his sites has posted that there is no actual paris hilton footage.

comparing a company that sells a very legitimate software portfolio for a reasonable price to a merchant account hopper who charges 200 bucks for a nonexistant video is hardly fair.

oh well, all is good. cant please everybody.

in the end all i care about is that our customers have proven to be happy and our webmasters never leave

i have to go to bed, i'll come back and tend to this thread tomorrow when i'm back at the office.

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Hooper

then let him take care of himself instead of being his posting patsy. you have no idea what is involved with our relationship and you're making him look like a pussy who cant stand up for himself.

and if you're a nobody, then go away cause i dont give a shit who you were/are/will be...

anybody who has traffic to send, hit me up.

i really am going to sleep now.

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Darren

promote the alternative:

http://www.rhinoprofit.com

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JimmySlits

LOL...

Nice smoke screen....but bottom line, you are full of shit and can not stand it when someone calls you on it.
Sleep tight, punk ass..

pornoshare

Legitimate software? Can you honestly tell me that WMKiller is legitimate software? The function of this application can be accomplished for free by any brain dead moron using less than 10 clicks.

Yet you tell your customers, Quote WMKiller website:

"Money hungry hackers have figured out how to hack your system and use it to bombard you with unwanted ads. They are virtually unstoppable to anyone without a computer science degree and vast programming knowledge of the Windows OS."

That is a blatent lie, no better or worse than the existence of the "46 minute Paris Hilton video"

It is very hypocritical of you to constantly crusade against Atherton and shitbag his practices when you employ the same techniques yourself to 'make the sale'

r0oster

Registering domain name = developing software ?

Ken

Hooper - You're a real tough guy on the boards. Little mans complex? LOL

Stand up for myself? What do I need to stand up for? I already called you out. You came back with no answers....just some bullshit about Jettis which made you look like a fool.

The only one who thinks you're the man is your whipping boy WISEMAN and I bet he even thinks you're a dipshit, but hey it's a paycheck so I'm sure he'll continue to kiss your ass as long as his checks clear.

Make no mistake.....If I don't respond to you it's because I don't think you're worth my time. I'm already pissed at myself for wasting so much time dealing with a nobody like you.

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quiet

hehe

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chodadog

Too funny.

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raceman

Well I had to say something...........uuummmm

Anything Hooper has i have better "dats all"

Go to my site peeps http://www.the-cleaner.com


RACEMAN

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Hooper

funny how somebody doing it right brings out all the amateur "look i wrote a piece of software once" guys

doing something once doesnt make you a professional any more tha submitting one gallery page means you know how to run a program of paysites.

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Hooper

ken i find it laughable that you and your cronies cant stay away from this thread.

something bothering you that you'd like to tell everybody?

as far as little mans complex goes, coming from a guy who's what 5'5"? Thats kind of humorous.

but whats EVEN MORE HUMOROUS is that you caved IN RECORD TIME to a bunch of GFYers posting that they didnt like your product.

Talk about being a man, do something, and be proud of it, dont cower and run like a baby.

Was it even a full 24 hours after the launch of your popup blocker that you pulled it due to "public opinion"? lol

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raceman

Fuck me has no one found the "OFF SWITCH" for Hooper

I think I'll write some software that can do that remotely

"he he he he he he"

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Hooper

but wait, lets dig up the past ken as you and jimmy slits seem to like doing.

i just had an opportunity to review the thread where you announced your popup blocker. and i cant find ANYWHERE where i bashed your program or even had a single negative word to say.


but more importantly lol...

10-22-2002 02:25 PM - Kens Program Is Announced
10-22-2002 07:19 PM - Ken bows to public pressure and pulls the program.

wow. didnt even survive for 5 hours.

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quiet

hooper is beginning to resemble bradshaw...

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