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Spunky · 01-18-2004, 10:54 PM

50 Announcements

Oracle Porn · 01-18-2004, 10:55 PM

Hooper get on icq

49thParallel · 01-18-2004, 10:58 PM

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Originally posted by Oracle Porn
Hooper get on icq

Could take awhile. I believe he's out right now, stealing the pension money from the folks down at the retirement home.

integrated · 01-18-2004, 11:12 PM

looks good apart from the recurring billing.

lets face it you are just looking for the percentage that doesnt read that T & C or the ppl that forget so you can keep hitting them with rebills. Just another way to make ppl insecure about purchasing online

also as it is a software type program the majority of ppl are going to assume it would be a one off payment. I thought that before i read the T & C i feel sorry for the ppl that dont have the experience to know any better.

Pipecrew · 01-18-2004, 11:25 PM

thats sorta ironic that the owner of this program cant even explain what the people are getting while he is hitting the peoples credit card each month..

I guess we know how you came up with the name "QUICK BUCK"

r0oster · 01-18-2004, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pipecrew
thats sorta ironic that the owner of this program cant even explain what the people are getting while he is hitting the peoples credit card each month..

I guess we know how you came up with the name "QUICK BUCK"

lEricPl · 01-18-2004, 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by integrated
Just another way to make ppl insecure about purchasing online...

Exactly.

Hooper · 01-18-2004, 11:35 PM

why is it ok to rebill on adult but not on nonadult pipecrew?

MegaPussy · 01-18-2004, 11:36 PM

I hate to be the wet blanket, but this same model, minus the clearly stated charges in any terms, is how Girls Gone Wild (and any clone) and Time Life and many other mainstream companies make their money. In the case of GGW they don't even give you clear information on how to get out, have inactive phone numbers and warehouse mailing addresses, etc.

So he's certainly not the first, not that it excuses it. Just stating a little prior art.

- Titus

Edit: Video Professor does nearly the exact same thing Hooper is doing, they just advertise on TV instead.

iwantchixx · 01-18-2004, 11:46 PM

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Originally posted by stocktrader23

don't sugar coat. Exactly how do you measure customer satisfaction? Why don't you send em all an email and ask them if they knew beforehand if they were going to be paying monthly? Better yet, ask them if they even noticed the charges coming through every month. Or hey, how about putting the terms somewhere on the page that is going to get read and making the down button scroll down instead of skipping over the recurring charge part?

I could care less how you bill your customers but quit trying to tell WEBMASTERS that you weren't trying to hide your terms. Good grief man.

I like you more and more every day

Oracle Porn · 01-18-2004, 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MegaPussy
I hate to be the wet blanket, but this same model, minus the clearly stated charges in any terms, is how Girls Gone Wild (and any clone) and Time Life and many other mainstream companies make their money. In the case of GGW they don't even give you clear information on how to get out, have inactive phone numbers and warehouse mailing addresses, etc.

So he's certainly not the first, not that it excuses it. Just stating a little prior art.

- Titus

Edit: Video Professor does nearly the exact same thing Hooper is doing, they just advertise on TV instead.

Not really...
They give you 2 cds free....but they send you 3.
If you don't send the 3rd one after like 21 days than they charge you. But you can send it and you wont be charged.

Hooper · 01-18-2004, 11:52 PM

we also refund the charge if the customer returns the disk. it's beyond the scope of a program announcement to go into all the details of how exactly we manage our recurring billing solution.

it is very legit however. check our bbb record.

JulianSosa · 01-19-2004, 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hooper
we also refund the charge if the customer returns the disk. it's beyond the scope of a program announcement to go into all the details of how exactly we manage our recurring billing solution.

it is very legit however. check our bbb record.

Whats is a bbb record?

Program looks great.

Recurring is king all of you that sell software are just jealous and will be adding it to your sites as soon as you can.

Can anyone tell me why GGW made so much money?

mrthumbs · 01-19-2004, 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JulianSosa

Can anyone tell me why GGW made so much money?

uhmm..because it was a scam...?????

Number1Thumb · 01-19-2004, 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JulianSosa

Whats is a bbb record?

Program looks great.

Recurring is king all of you that sell software are just jealous and will be adding it to your sites as soon as you can.

Can anyone tell me why GGW made so much money?

bbb stands for better business bureau, which customers can file complaints but rarely do anymore cause the BBB has absolutely NO power to do anything

Hooper · 01-19-2004, 12:17 AM

bbb has lots of power if you want to display their buttons and wish to prove to customers that you are a legitimate program.

http://www.bbbonline.org/cks.asp?id=103081815552832693

stocktrader23 · 01-19-2004, 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 49thParallel

Hopper...No thanks...I think you missed the part where I called your business tactics sleazy.

And Funkmaster...oh to hell with it...you wouldn't understand...

You are out of place in the business world. 9/10ths of the products sold anywhere are "snake oil".

r0oster · 01-19-2004, 12:26 AM

Time Life vs. iDownload ?

Don't make me laugh.

Compare:

http://www.timelife.com/is-bin/INTER...me=1&Pro mo=f

To Hooper's order page.

Can't see the glaring difference? Then you shouldn't be in business.

Hooper, you use exactly the same arguments Atherton does.

"It's clearly there in the Terms and Conditions"

"If they signed up they had to agree to the Terms"

And so on.

Funny shit.

Hooper · 01-19-2004, 12:46 AM

well rooster, i disagree with you.

we are selling products that actually exist and that we actually provide, our terms are long, but the rates are the very first thing listed, and you have to manually agree to the terms, it's not prechecked. so if people lie about having read the terms, well thats really their own fault.

bottom line is that if you can find another good software product provider to use, go ahead, but i dont think you can find anybody who's conversions are anywhere close to ours or whos reputation for payment is as parallelled.

i'd be willing to bet that when you see our products at your local retailer you'll be saying " i know the guy who makes those "...

if you dont like it, thats ok. but if you like it then promote it, convert & get paid.

4Pics · 01-19-2004, 12:50 AM

This is sorta like cross-selling a surfer but puting in fine print in the terms that they must opt out of the 10 sites you gave them a 3 day free trial to, otherwise they get billed $39.95 per site.

quiet · 01-19-2004, 12:51 AM

which titles are 15 and which are 20?

r0oster · 01-19-2004, 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hooper
well rooster, i disagree with you.

we are selling products that actually exist and that we actually provide, our terms are long, but the rates are the very first thing listed, and you have to manually agree to the terms, it's not prechecked. so if people lie about having read the terms, well thats really their own fault.

bottom line is that if you can find another good software product provider to use, go ahead, but i dont think you can find anybody who's conversions are anywhere close to ours or whos reputation for payment is as parallelled.

i'd be willing to bet that when you see our products at your local retailer you'll be saying " i know the guy who makes those "...

if you dont like it, thats ok. but if you like it then promote it, convert & get paid.

Let's just say that your business practices don't fill me with confidence, so I've no intention of becoming a customer nor an affiliate of yours. EVER. Unless something radically changes.

If I happened to see your software in the shop, I MAY buy it. That's correct. But I wouldn't be put on a recurring billing plan would I?

And even as you type it you know your argument about the Terms & Conditions is flimsy. I would bet $1,000 NOW that the last piece of software you installed, you skipped right past the T & C screen.

Right?

Hooper · 01-19-2004, 01:00 AM

well at least we can agree to disagree

quiet, the 15-20 is just volume driven (sliding scale per period)... the same for all sites. hit me up on email to talk about your sales volume if you'd like.

Hooper · 01-19-2004, 01:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JimmySlits
Ahhhh the irony of life.....

life is about timing

mrthumbs · 01-19-2004, 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hooper
well rooster, i disagree with you.

we are selling products that actually exist and that we actually provide, our terms are long, but the rates are the very first thing listed, and you have to manually agree to the terms, it's not prechecked. so if people lie about having read the terms, well thats really their own fault.

bottom line is that if you can find another good software product provider to use, go ahead, but i dont think you can find anybody who's conversions are anywhere close to ours or whos reputation for payment is as parallelled.

i'd be willing to bet that when you see our products at your local retailer you'll be saying " i know the guy who makes those "...

if you dont like it, thats ok. but if you like it then promote it, convert & get paid.

Hooper.. auto rebilling clients that just bought a 'semi-useless' software product by making them member of some 'software club'
is shady and questionable BUT..

..those terms: making the box
small enough so the '24.95 recurring' message JUST isnt visible
makes you a scammer.. period.

And what makes it even more sad: you deny it while a few days ago this 'business practise' was your main issue against 'that scammer Atherton'.

Until this day i thought you ran one of the better,
most innovative programs but this thread points out clearly
you are a fucking sad idiot. Really.

Ok.. tired and too much alcohol.. signing off...

mrthumbs · 01-19-2004, 01:12 AM

These two quotes from this thread shows what kind of moron you are:

Quote:

Originally posted by Hooper

"i hardly think that selling software titles where the customer receives a physical copy of a legitimate product puts me on par with a scum bag ripping off poor surfers by screaming "free", not providing the product promised and nailing them for 199 (at least) each.

Ok.. so what you are saying is:
"Atherton is a scammer.. he uses the same tricks i just copied
BUT.. we deliver a REAL legitimate product with value".

A few posts later someone reminds you that those products
are basicly 'system' settings a user can turn on or off for free.
No $30 software needed for that.

Your reply:

Quote:

Originally posted by Hooper
several hundred people a day are stupid enough to pay for it.

although the best converter is by far and away popupblocker.com

hey, ie is gonna introduce a popupblocker, so you might as well make some money off of ours while you still can

You are a cheap Atherton ripoff.

hyper · 01-19-2004, 01:13 AM

if people are willing to pay for a product then let them.
geez if they cant read it then its their fault
take your $20 per signup and spend it.

if he gets chargeback then its on him, not u

mrthumbs · 01-19-2004, 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by hyper
if people are willing to pay for a product then let them.
geez if they cant read it then its their fault

no... its not their fault.. they CANT read it because its hidden.

See the difference?

JimmySlits · 01-19-2004, 01:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hooper

life is about timing

lol...
Yeah that's it.....

Life is about a lot of things as you grow older you will see this

Darren · 01-19-2004, 01:28 AM

if its recurring shouldnt webmasters get MORE??? eg recurring as well.

49thParallel · 01-19-2004, 06:49 AM

Ever watch those A & E specials, where they show criminals go through the Parole process...only to be to stupid to know that
they did anything wrong

That's what this thread reminds me of. Listening to Hooper, you would think that he is up for businessman of the year. When the real fact is he doesn't have a clue that his sales techniques are pure and simply criminal.

If you want to sell software...why not go to a company that offers the same type of thing...and doesn't rip off the consumer. Your customer get's the same product..and you don't have to turn yourself into a sleazebag in the process.

Run a search for popup stopper or go to www.shareware.com or www.download.com and find out what their top security utility programs are. Most of the programs have affiliate programs. You make the same amount of profit...without the sleaze factor. (Actually, you will make more. Some of Hoopers customers will read the T & C, and be scared off. With the other programs, the consumer Hopper just lost, would have been a converted sale).

Pipecrew · 01-19-2004, 07:57 AM

this thread sure went in the wrong direction. Rightfully so.

Troels · 01-19-2004, 08:07 AM

Only because of his statements in the Atherton thread. Everyone here is selling porn, and promoting porn sites with shady billing disclosure.

If you wanna make money promote Hooper, or promote Atherton. If you want to promote virtue you're in the wrong business (probably).

Hooper · 01-19-2004, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mrthumbs

no... its not their fault.. they CANT read it because its hidden.

See the difference?

These sites were designed on a mac, and last i checked, on safari the 24.95 is visible without any scrolling. I'll have our designer test it with a pc to make sure it's visible.

Thanks for the heads up!

*cough*dick*cough*

Hooper · 01-19-2004, 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Darren
if its recurring shouldnt webmasters get MORE??? eg recurring as well.

we havent actually ever recurred anybody. that is there as an option for us should we ever choose to implement the recurring system. If we do ever actually implement a recurring model we will raise payouts.

I think those of you whining about our terms should go read the t&c for the biggest IPSP right now. It gives them the right (on line 100,332) to increase the price of rebills at their discretion without notice.

since i posted this thread we've had more than 70 new webmasters signup.

yesterdays conversions? 1:108

Hooper · 01-19-2004, 09:12 AM

pipecrew, this thread is just fine with me.

i'd be happy if the bashing keeps going for a month. now if this was a long running program i wouldnt be too happy. let me explain for the newbies.....

when you're launching a new program, nobody knows of the program.

if you announce it and nobody pays attention, nobody still knows of the program.

if you announce it and everybody praises it, it's boring and nobody pays attention.

if you announce it and everybody pays attention, some people bitch and some people praise, then everybody knows of the program and they're all thinking about it.

lesson? any pr is good pr when you're new

SR · 01-19-2004, 09:17 AM

Do you what ever you want but I don't see how you can call others scammers.

Pornsites can rebill because they update there sites atleast once a week (most do), but what do you offer them?

archik · 01-19-2004, 09:49 AM

People can say what they want
but hooper won't let me lie here
when i beta tested Idownload and sent some traffic to WMKiller,
i Converted 1:20 RAW..

If i was concerned with ethics i'd go volunteer at the local hospital or the homeless shelter..

Congrats hooper,

p.s. wanna buy some cheap land in palestine?
i'll sell it to u at $20 per acre, and a monthly $24.95 maintenance fee..

Nathan · 01-19-2004, 09:58 AM

hooper,

very interesting way to do a software program like that. I like your idea..

I'm sure quite a few others will follow shortly.

There is the one problem with recurring billing though. Like you said, make sure you check it on a PC, because the price is NOT visible without scrolling.

Also, you must admit, that you have a REASON why you put it in the scroll box on the BOTTOM and not on the top with the rest of the price info. Obviously you know as everyone else here that 99% of the people do not READ terms. Also, you might want to know that when IE opens your page, and you click on the scroll bar to scroll the text down on the terms, it immediately drops to the bottom, skipping all the text. You have to add a "readonly" to the textarea tag so that the cursor does not sit in the terms.

bigdog · 01-19-2004, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by archik
People can say what they want
but hooper won't let me lie here
when i beta tested Idownload and sent some traffic to WMKiller,
i Converted 1:20 RAW..

If i was concerned with ethics i'd go volunteer at the local hospital or the homeless shelter..

Congrats hooper,

p.s. wanna buy some cheap land in palestine?
i'll sell it to u at $20 per acre, and a monthly $24.95 maintenance fee..

1:20 on what kind of traffic?

Hooper · 01-19-2004, 10:56 AM

i'll give you 3 guesses ;-)

archik was one of our original beta testers and his conversions are not unusual.

btw Nathan, thanks for the input! i had never heard of readonly til now on a textarea! we've updated the terms so that the recurring price is clearly visible, so now will everybody stop whining and just send me your traffic? ;-)

juice · 01-19-2004, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hooper
i'll give you 3 guesses ;-)

archik was one of our original beta testers and his conversions are not unusual.

btw Nathan, thanks for the input! i had never heard of readonly til now on a textarea! we've updated the terms so that the recurring price is clearly visible, so now will everybody stop whining and just send me your traffic? ;-)

Wow that makes it so much better...

Who read "terms & Conditions" when they buy a fucking SOFTWARE!!?? Is that VISA and Mastercard approved that you can put additional charges in the "term & condition" notice?

When people will receive the credit card bill... will it be clearly stated that this is a charge from Idownload.com or popupblocker.com ??! Ofcourse not! .. nobody will know what the fuck is this charge..alot wont chargeback because of it.. and those who do wont know who to blame for it...

The thing is you just need one customer to report you to Visa and your toast! I mean.. Idownload.com.. sounds big... Visa will be interested in going after that!

So when you all think Visa and MasterCard will stop tolerating reccuring charges online...? ALot of people will lose alot of money.. it wont be pretty.. and we will know in part who to blame!

quiet · 01-19-2004, 11:52 AM

detoxed · 01-19-2004, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by juice

Wow that makes it so much better...

Who read "terms & Conditions" when they buy a fucking SOFTWARE!!?? Is that VISA and Mastercard approved that you can put additional charges in the "term & condition" notice?

When people will receive the credit card bill... will it be clearly stated that this is a charge from Idownload.com or popupblocker.com ??! Ofcourse not! .. nobody will know what the fuck is this charge..alot wont chargeback because of it.. and those who do wont know who to blame for it...

The thing is you just need one customer to report you to Visa and your toast! I mean.. Idownload.com.. sounds big... Visa will be interested in going after that!

So when you all think Visa and MasterCard will stop tolerating reccuring charges online...? ALot of people will lose alot of money.. it wont be pretty.. and we will know in part who to blame!

you are funny

49thParallel · 01-19-2004, 12:09 PM

Simple fact is...there are a ton of companies out there who offer the same sort of software that Hooper does. Only thing is they don't use misleading and scamming rebilling techniques. They have been in business for years. And, unlike Hopper, they don't stand the risk of the CC companies shutting them down because of excessive complaints or chargebacks-which means Hooper's affiliates wouldn't get paid.

Plus, you do stand the REAL risk of surfers reading the T & C, and being scared off from making a purchase. (No purchase means no commission!) You won't run into this problem with any of the above-board, honest software companies.

So, it seems like a no brainer. Why not give your customers real value without the scams. You will make the same amount or more. So why sink to the level of the bottom suckers, like Hooper.

Want to find some of the HONEST programs out there...check out www.regnow.com

Hooper · 01-19-2004, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by juice

Who read "terms & Conditions" when they buy a fucking SOFTWARE!!??

any intelligent person at least gives the t&c a once over when they buy something. the world is filled with stupid people, but to buy our software if you havent read the terms then you have to be a liar too, because you MUST check the "i have read the terms" box in order to proceed.

are we supposed to feel badly for people who blindly check boxes and lie? i think not.

Quote:

When people will receive the credit card bill... will it be clearly stated that this is a charge from Idownload.com or popupblocker.com ??! Ofcourse not!

charges appear (as it says on the join page) as iDownload.com for both credit card and ach transactions. and on your cc statement our toll free billing support number appears.

Hooper · 01-19-2004, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 49thParallel
Simple fact is...there are a ton of companies out there who offer the same sort of software that Hooper does. Only thing is they don't use misleading and scamming rebilling techniques. They have been in business for years. And, unlike Hopper, they don't stand the risk of the CC companies shutting them down because of excessive complaints or chargebacks-which means Hooper's affiliates wouldn't get paid.

We're not even classified as high risk 49th. Our merchant account is and has been in very good standing for almost 2 years now.

49thParallel · 01-19-2004, 12:14 PM

My god, I can't believe you actually said this, "are we supposed to feel badly for people who blindly check boxes and lie? i think not". You have some serious issues there mate.

Anyhow, as I said before, want to find some HONEST programs that give your customers REAL value without the Hooper scams, check out www.regnow.com or go to www.shareware.com. I can guarantee that the software that appears on the top of their list is also their best selling. And they all have affiliate programs. So why scam when you can provide real value.

And, as far as your quote,

Quote:

Originally posted by Hooper

We're not even classified as high risk 49th. Our merchant account is and has been in very good standing for almost 2 years now.

That should change with your new found business wisdom..and if not, still the choice remains. Sell your software, with the built in scam option, or promote one of the other hundred's of companies who don't have to resort to your sleaze techniques.

Ken · 01-19-2004, 12:20 PM

Very Ironic....

Isn't this the same Hooper who bitched and whined when CashQuest was going to launch a LEGIT pop up blocker offering to webmasters? In fact, I think you even threatened litigation over it because you were concerned about losing some of your pop up revenue if it really took off.

Also the same Hooper who complains about others billing tactics, but then comes up with a bunch of lame excuses over his own. At least be man enough to own up to what you're doing instead of treating everyone at GFY like they are idiots. You're not fooling anyone.

Too funny.....

juice · 01-19-2004, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hooper

any intelligent person at least gives the t&c a once over when they buy something. the world is filled with stupid people, but to buy our software if you havent read the terms then you have to be a liar too, because you MUST check the "i have read the terms" box in order to proceed.

are we supposed to feel badly for people who blindly check boxes and lie? i think not.

any intelligent person!? Now thats a VERY INTELLIGENT assumption...

Im fairly confident that at least 95% of people have bought stuff during the last year without reading thoroughly
the "term & condition" notice... That makes them dumb.. so then deserving of being charge additional money?

And then you go blame it on "they lied" so they deserve it!

How weak is that!?

Just admit it.. you dont put a "$24.95 recurring" notice on the top of the page because you hope to SCREW the people that dont read the "term & condition" notice when they are buying a SOFTWARE!

Again. im asking.. is mentionning additional reccuring fees hidden in the "term & condition" notice Visa approved..?

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01-18-2004, 11:12 PM	#54
integrated Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: west end Posts: 3,826	looks good apart from the recurring billing. lets face it you are just looking for the percentage that doesnt read that T & C or the ppl that forget so you can keep hitting them with rebills. Just another way to make ppl insecure about purchasing online also as it is a software type program the majority of ppl are going to assume it would be a one off payment. I thought that before i read the T & C i feel sorry for the ppl that dont have the experience to know any better. __________________ Pioneer of .TV domains Grandfather of .TV development Respected among industry LEADERS Last edited by integrated; 01-18-2004 at 11:15 PM..

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01-18-2004, 11:36 PM	#59
MegaPussy Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 243	I hate to be the wet blanket, but this same model, minus the clearly stated charges in any terms, is how Girls Gone Wild (and any clone) and Time Life and many other mainstream companies make their money. In the case of GGW they don't even give you clear information on how to get out, have inactive phone numbers and warehouse mailing addresses, etc. So he's certainly not the first, not that it excuses it. Just stating a little prior art. - Titus Edit: Video Professor does nearly the exact same thing Hooper is doing, they just advertise on TV instead. __________________ Tabloid Cash - Fresh New Concept! www.tabloidcash.com [email protected]

01-18-2004, 11:25 PM	#55
Pipecrew Master of Gfy.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 14,887	thats sorta ironic that the owner of this program cant even explain what the people are getting while he is hitting the peoples credit card each month.. I guess we know how you came up with the name "QUICK BUCK"

01-18-2004, 11:52 PM	#62
Hooper Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: A Free America Posts: 2,210	we also refund the charge if the customer returns the disk. it's beyond the scope of a program announcement to go into all the details of how exactly we manage our recurring billing solution. it is very legit however. check our bbb record. __________________ <a href="http://www.adultplatinum.com/"><img src="http://www.adult.com/wmbanners/10dcash-468x60.gif"></a>

01-19-2004, 12:17 AM	#66
Hooper Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: A Free America Posts: 2,210	bbb has lots of power if you want to display their buttons and wish to prove to customers that you are a legitimate program. http://www.bbbonline.org/cks.asp?id=103081815552832693 __________________ <a href="http://www.adultplatinum.com/"><img src="http://www.adult.com/wmbanners/10dcash-468x60.gif"></a>

01-19-2004, 12:26 AM	#68
r0oster Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 66	Time Life vs. iDownload ? Don't make me laugh. Compare: http://www.timelife.com/is-bin/INTER...me=1&Pro mo=f To Hooper's order page. Can't see the glaring difference? Then you shouldn't be in business. Hooper, you use exactly the same arguments Atherton does. "It's clearly there in the Terms and Conditions" "If they signed up they had to agree to the Terms" And so on. Funny shit.

01-19-2004, 12:46 AM	#69
Hooper Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: A Free America Posts: 2,210	well rooster, i disagree with you. we are selling products that actually exist and that we actually provide, our terms are long, but the rates are the very first thing listed, and you have to manually agree to the terms, it's not prechecked. so if people lie about having read the terms, well thats really their own fault. bottom line is that if you can find another good software product provider to use, go ahead, but i dont think you can find anybody who's conversions are anywhere close to ours or whos reputation for payment is as parallelled. i'd be willing to bet that when you see our products at your local retailer you'll be saying " i know the guy who makes those "... if you dont like it, thats ok. but if you like it then promote it, convert & get paid. __________________ <a href="http://www.adultplatinum.com/"><img src="http://www.adult.com/wmbanners/10dcash-468x60.gif"></a>

01-19-2004, 12:50 AM	#70
4Pics Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 7,952	This is sorta like cross-selling a surfer but puting in fine print in the terms that they must opt out of the 10 sites you gave them a 3 day free trial to, otherwise they get billed $39.95 per site.

01-19-2004, 12:51 AM	#71
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	which titles are 15 and which are 20? __________________ we'll miss you our friend. RIP

01-19-2004, 01:00 AM	#73
Hooper Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: A Free America Posts: 2,210	well at least we can agree to disagree quiet, the 15-20 is just volume driven (sliding scale per period)... the same for all sites. hit me up on email to talk about your sales volume if you'd like. __________________ <a href="http://www.adultplatinum.com/"><img src="http://www.adult.com/wmbanners/10dcash-468x60.gif"></a>

01-19-2004, 01:13 AM	#77
hyper Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mass Ass Posts: 5,294	if people are willing to pay for a product then let them. geez if they cant read it then its their fault take your $20 per signup and spend it. if he gets chargeback then its on him, not u __________________

01-19-2004, 01:28 AM	#80
Darren Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,994	if its recurring shouldnt webmasters get MORE??? eg recurring as well. __________________ Penis enlargement / male enhancement pills - earn up to $229.48 per signup ICQ: 46335817

01-19-2004, 06:49 AM	#81
49thParallel So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,197	Ever watch those A & E specials, where they show criminals go through the Parole process...only to be to stupid to know that they did anything wrong That's what this thread reminds me of. Listening to Hooper, you would think that he is up for businessman of the year. When the real fact is he doesn't have a clue that his sales techniques are pure and simply criminal. If you want to sell software...why not go to a company that offers the same type of thing...and doesn't rip off the consumer. Your customer get's the same product..and you don't have to turn yourself into a sleazebag in the process. Run a search for popup stopper or go to www.shareware.com or www.download.com and find out what their top security utility programs are. Most of the programs have affiliate programs. You make the same amount of profit...without the sleaze factor. (Actually, you will make more. Some of Hoopers customers will read the T & C, and be scared off. With the other programs, the consumer Hopper just lost, would have been a converted sale). Last edited by 49thParallel; 01-19-2004 at 07:01 AM..

01-19-2004, 07:57 AM	#82
Pipecrew Master of Gfy.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 14,887	this thread sure went in the wrong direction. Rightfully so.

01-19-2004, 08:07 AM	#83
Troels Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Between the clouds Posts: 1,035	Only because of his statements in the Atherton thread. Everyone here is selling porn, and promoting porn sites with shady billing disclosure. If you wanna make money promote Hooper, or promote Atherton. If you want to promote virtue you're in the wrong business (probably). __________________ These guys steal your signups: Read here. And sexsearch.com profit from it. Check out which sponsors pay thieves here. And here's a list of clean sponsors.

01-19-2004, 09:12 AM	#86
Hooper Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: A Free America Posts: 2,210	pipecrew, this thread is just fine with me. i'd be happy if the bashing keeps going for a month. now if this was a long running program i wouldnt be too happy. let me explain for the newbies..... when you're launching a new program, nobody knows of the program. if you announce it and nobody pays attention, nobody still knows of the program. if you announce it and everybody praises it, it's boring and nobody pays attention. if you announce it and everybody pays attention, some people bitch and some people praise, then everybody knows of the program and they're all thinking about it. lesson? any pr is good pr when you're new __________________ <a href="http://www.adultplatinum.com/"><img src="http://www.adult.com/wmbanners/10dcash-468x60.gif"></a>

01-19-2004, 09:17 AM	#87
SR Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,239	Do you what ever you want but I don't see how you can call others scammers. Pornsites can rebill because they update there sites atleast once a week (most do), but what do you offer them?

01-19-2004, 09:49 AM	#88
archik Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 142	People can say what they want but hooper won't let me lie here when i beta tested Idownload and sent some traffic to WMKiller, i Converted 1:20 RAW.. If i was concerned with ethics i'd go volunteer at the local hospital or the homeless shelter.. Congrats hooper, p.s. wanna buy some cheap land in palestine? i'll sell it to u at $20 per acre, and a monthly $24.95 maintenance fee..

01-19-2004, 09:58 AM	#89
Nathan Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,108	hooper, very interesting way to do a software program like that. I like your idea.. I'm sure quite a few others will follow shortly. There is the one problem with recurring billing though. Like you said, make sure you check it on a PC, because the price is NOT visible without scrolling. Also, you must admit, that you have a REASON why you put it in the scroll box on the BOTTOM and not on the top with the rest of the price info. Obviously you know as everyone else here that 99% of the people do not READ terms. Also, you might want to know that when IE opens your page, and you click on the scroll bar to scroll the text down on the terms, it immediately drops to the bottom, skipping all the text. You have to add a "readonly" to the textarea tag so that the cursor does not sit in the terms. __________________ "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right." - Charlie Munger

01-19-2004, 10:56 AM	#91
Hooper Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: A Free America Posts: 2,210	i'll give you 3 guesses ;-) archik was one of our original beta testers and his conversions are not unusual. btw Nathan, thanks for the input! i had never heard of readonly til now on a textarea! we've updated the terms so that the recurring price is clearly visible, so now will everybody stop whining and just send me your traffic? ;-) __________________ <a href="http://www.adultplatinum.com/"><img src="http://www.adult.com/wmbanners/10dcash-468x60.gif"></a>

01-19-2004, 11:52 AM	#93
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	uhh __________________ we'll miss you our friend. RIP

01-19-2004, 12:09 PM	#95
49thParallel So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,197	Simple fact is...there are a ton of companies out there who offer the same sort of software that Hooper does. Only thing is they don't use misleading and scamming rebilling techniques. They have been in business for years. And, unlike Hopper, they don't stand the risk of the CC companies shutting them down because of excessive complaints or chargebacks-which means Hooper's affiliates wouldn't get paid. Plus, you do stand the REAL risk of surfers reading the T & C, and being scared off from making a purchase. (No purchase means no commission!) You won't run into this problem with any of the above-board, honest software companies. So, it seems like a no brainer. Why not give your customers real value without the scams. You will make the same amount or more. So why sink to the level of the bottom suckers, like Hooper. Want to find some of the HONEST programs out there...check out www.regnow.com Last edited by 49thParallel; 01-19-2004 at 12:11 PM..

01-19-2004, 12:20 PM	#99
Ken Make more with us. Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 562	Very Ironic.... Isn't this the same Hooper who bitched and whined when CashQuest was going to launch a LEGIT pop up blocker offering to webmasters? In fact, I think you even threatened litigation over it because you were concerned about losing some of your pop up revenue if it really took off. Also the same Hooper who complains about others billing tactics, but then comes up with a bunch of lame excuses over his own. At least be man enough to own up to what you're doing instead of treating everyone at GFY like they are idiots. You're not fooling anyone. Too funny..... __________________ Ken ColdHardCash.com. The next big thing in adult. VividCash.com - Check out the all new Vivid.com! Domain Development Corp - Premier Domain Parking and Management!