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Hooper get on icq

Could take awhile. I believe he's out right now, stealing the pension money from the folks down at the retirement home.

looks good apart from the recurring billing.

lets face it you are just looking for the percentage that doesnt read that T & C or the ppl that forget so you can keep hitting them with rebills. Just another way to make ppl insecure about purchasing online :thumbsup

also as it is a software type program the majority of ppl are going to assume it would be a one off payment. I thought that before i read the T & C i feel sorry for the ppl that dont have the experience to know any better.

thats sorta ironic that the owner of this program cant even explain what the people are getting while he is hitting the peoples credit card each month..

I guess we know how you came up with the name "QUICK BUCK"

:1orglaugh

Exactly.

why is it ok to rebill on adult but not on nonadult pipecrew?

I hate to be the wet blanket, but this same model, minus the clearly stated charges in any terms, is how Girls Gone Wild (and any clone) and Time Life and many other mainstream companies make their money. In the case of GGW they don't even give you clear information on how to get out, have inactive phone numbers and warehouse mailing addresses, etc.

So he's certainly not the first, not that it excuses it. Just stating a little prior art.

- Titus

Edit: Video Professor does nearly the exact same thing Hooper is doing, they just advertise on TV instead.

I like you more and more every day :)

Not really...
They give you 2 cds free....but they send you 3.
If you don't send the 3rd one after like 21 days than they charge you. But you can send it and you wont be charged.

we also refund the charge if the customer returns the disk. it's beyond the scope of a program announcement to go into all the details of how exactly we manage our recurring billing solution.

it is very legit however. check our bbb record.

Whats is a bbb record?

Program looks great.

Recurring is king all of you that sell software are just jealous and will be adding it to your sites as soon as you can.

Can anyone tell me why GGW made so much money?

uhmm..because it was a scam...?????

bbb stands for better business bureau, which customers can file complaints but rarely do anymore cause the BBB has absolutely NO power to do anything

bbb has lots of power if you want to display their buttons and wish to prove to customers that you are a legitimate program.

http://www.bbbonline.org/cks.asp?id=103081815552832693

You are out of place in the business world. 9/10ths of the products sold anywhere are "snake oil". :1orglaugh

Time Life vs. iDownload ?

Don't make me laugh.

Compare:

http://www.timelife.com/is-bin/INTER...me=1&Pro mo=f

To Hooper's order page.

Can't see the glaring difference? Then you shouldn't be in business.

Hooper, you use exactly the same arguments Atherton does.

"It's clearly there in the Terms and Conditions"

"If they signed up they had to agree to the Terms"

And so on.

Funny shit.

well rooster, i disagree with you.

we are selling products that actually exist and that we actually provide, our terms are long, but the rates are the very first thing listed, and you have to manually agree to the terms, it's not prechecked. so if people lie about having read the terms, well thats really their own fault.

bottom line is that if you can find another good software product provider to use, go ahead, but i dont think you can find anybody who's conversions are anywhere close to ours or whos reputation for payment is as parallelled.

i'd be willing to bet that when you see our products at your local retailer you'll be saying " i know the guy who makes those "...

if you dont like it, thats ok. but if you like it then promote it, convert & get paid.

This is sorta like cross-selling a surfer but puting in fine print in the terms that they must opt out of the 10 sites you gave them a 3 day free trial to, otherwise they get billed $39.95 per site.

which titles are 15 and which are 20?

Let's just say that your business practices don't fill me with confidence, so I've no intention of becoming a customer nor an affiliate of yours. EVER. Unless something radically changes.

If I happened to see your software in the shop, I MAY buy it. That's correct. But I wouldn't be put on a recurring billing plan would I?

And even as you type it you know your argument about the Terms & Conditions is flimsy. I would bet $1,000 NOW that the last piece of software you installed, you skipped right past the T & C screen.

Right? :winkwink:

well at least we can agree to disagree :)

quiet, the 15-20 is just volume driven (sliding scale per period)... the same for all sites. hit me up on email to talk about your sales volume if you'd like.

life is about timing :)

Hooper.. auto rebilling clients that just bought a 'semi-useless' software product by making them member of some 'software club'
is shady and questionable BUT..

..those terms: making the box
small enough so the '24.95 recurring' message JUST isnt visible
makes you a scammer.. period.

And what makes it even more sad: you deny it while a few days ago this 'business practise' was your main issue against 'that scammer Atherton'.

Until this day i thought you ran one of the better,
most innovative programs but this thread points out clearly
you are a fucking sad idiot. Really.

Ok.. tired and too much alcohol.. signing off...

These two quotes from this thread shows what kind of moron you are:


Ok.. so what you are saying is:
"Atherton is a scammer.. he uses the same tricks i just copied
BUT.. we deliver a REAL legitimate product with value".

A few posts later someone reminds you that those products
are basicly 'system' settings a user can turn on or off for free.
No $30 software needed for that.


Your reply:

You are a cheap Atherton ripoff.

if people are willing to pay for a product then let them.
geez if they cant read it then its their fault
take your $20 per signup and spend it.

if he gets chargeback then its on him, not u

no... its not their fault.. they CANT read it because its hidden.

See the difference?

lol...
Yeah that's it.....

Life is about a lot of things as you grow older you will see this :)

if its recurring shouldnt webmasters get MORE??? eg recurring as well.

Ever watch those A & E specials, where they show criminals go through the Parole process...only to be to stupid to know that
they did anything wrong

That's what this thread reminds me of. Listening to Hooper, you would think that he is up for businessman of the year. When the real fact is he doesn't have a clue that his sales techniques are pure and simply criminal.

If you want to sell software...why not go to a company that offers the same type of thing...and doesn't rip off the consumer. Your customer get's the same product..and you don't have to turn yourself into a sleazebag in the process.

Run a search for popup stopper or go to www.shareware.com or www.download.com and find out what their top security utility programs are. Most of the programs have affiliate programs. You make the same amount of profit...without the sleaze factor. (Actually, you will make more. Some of Hoopers customers will read the T & C, and be scared off. With the other programs, the consumer Hopper just lost, would have been a converted sale).

this thread sure went in the wrong direction. Rightfully so.

Only because of his statements in the Atherton thread. Everyone here is selling porn, and promoting porn sites with shady billing disclosure.

If you wanna make money promote Hooper, or promote Atherton. If you want to promote virtue you're in the wrong business (probably).

These sites were designed on a mac, and last i checked, on safari the 24.95 is visible without any scrolling. I'll have our designer test it with a pc to make sure it's visible.

Thanks for the heads up!

*cough*dick*cough*

we havent actually ever recurred anybody. that is there as an option for us should we ever choose to implement the recurring system. If we do ever actually implement a recurring model we will raise payouts.

I think those of you whining about our terms should go read the t&c for the biggest IPSP right now. It gives them the right (on line 100,332) to increase the price of rebills at their discretion without notice.

since i posted this thread we've had more than 70 new webmasters signup.

yesterdays conversions? 1:108

pipecrew, this thread is just fine with me.

i'd be happy if the bashing keeps going for a month. now if this was a long running program i wouldnt be too happy. let me explain for the newbies.....

when you're launching a new program, nobody knows of the program.

if you announce it and nobody pays attention, nobody still knows of the program.

if you announce it and everybody praises it, it's boring and nobody pays attention.

if you announce it and everybody pays attention, some people bitch and some people praise, then everybody knows of the program and they're all thinking about it.

lesson? any pr is good pr when you're new :)

Do you what ever you want but I don't see how you can call others scammers.

Pornsites can rebill because they update there sites atleast once a week (most do), but what do you offer them?

People can say what they want
but hooper won't let me lie here
when i beta tested Idownload and sent some traffic to WMKiller,
i Converted 1:20 RAW..

If i was concerned with ethics i'd go volunteer at the local hospital or the homeless shelter..

Congrats hooper,


p.s. wanna buy some cheap land in palestine?
i'll sell it to u at $20 per acre, and a monthly $24.95 maintenance fee..

:Graucho :Graucho :Graucho

hooper,

very interesting way to do a software program like that. I like your idea..

I'm sure quite a few others will follow shortly.

There is the one problem with recurring billing though. Like you said, make sure you check it on a PC, because the price is NOT visible without scrolling.

Also, you must admit, that you have a REASON why you put it in the scroll box on the BOTTOM and not on the top with the rest of the price info. Obviously you know as everyone else here that 99% of the people do not READ terms. Also, you might want to know that when IE opens your page, and you click on the scroll bar to scroll the text down on the terms, it immediately drops to the bottom, skipping all the text. You have to add a "readonly" to the textarea tag so that the cursor does not sit in the terms.

1:20 on what kind of traffic?

i'll give you 3 guesses ;-)

archik was one of our original beta testers and his conversions are not unusual.


btw Nathan, thanks for the input! i had never heard of readonly til now on a textarea! we've updated the terms so that the recurring price is clearly visible, so now will everybody stop whining and just send me your traffic? ;-)

:1orglaugh

Wow that makes it so much better...

Who read "terms & Conditions" when they buy a fucking SOFTWARE!!?? Is that VISA and Mastercard approved that you can put additional charges in the "term & condition" notice?

When people will receive the credit card bill... will it be clearly stated that this is a charge from Idownload.com or popupblocker.com ??! Ofcourse not! .. nobody will know what the fuck is this charge..alot wont chargeback because of it.. and those who do wont know who to blame for it...

The thing is you just need one customer to report you to Visa and your toast! I mean.. Idownload.com.. sounds big... Visa will be interested in going after that!

So when you all think Visa and MasterCard will stop tolerating reccuring charges online...? ALot of people will lose alot of money.. it wont be pretty.. and we will know in part who to blame!

uhh

you are funny

Simple fact is...there are a ton of companies out there who offer the same sort of software that Hooper does. Only thing is they don't use misleading and scamming rebilling techniques. They have been in business for years. And, unlike Hopper, they don't stand the risk of the CC companies shutting them down because of excessive complaints or chargebacks-which means Hooper's affiliates wouldn't get paid.

Plus, you do stand the REAL risk of surfers reading the T & C, and being scared off from making a purchase. (No purchase means no commission!) You won't run into this problem with any of the above-board, honest software companies.

So, it seems like a no brainer. Why not give your customers real value without the scams. You will make the same amount or more. So why sink to the level of the bottom suckers, like Hooper.

Want to find some of the HONEST programs out there...check out www.regnow.com

any intelligent person at least gives the t&c a once over when they buy something. the world is filled with stupid people, but to buy our software if you havent read the terms then you have to be a liar too, because you MUST check the "i have read the terms" box in order to proceed.

are we supposed to feel badly for people who blindly check boxes and lie? i think not.

charges appear (as it says on the join page) as iDownload.com for both credit card and ach transactions. and on your cc statement our toll free billing support number appears.

We're not even classified as high risk 49th. Our merchant account is and has been in very good standing for almost 2 years now.

My god, I can't believe you actually said this, "are we supposed to feel badly for people who blindly check boxes and lie? i think not". You have some serious issues there mate.

Anyhow, as I said before, want to find some HONEST programs that give your customers REAL value without the Hooper scams, check out www.regnow.com or go to www.shareware.com. I can guarantee that the software that appears on the top of their list is also their best selling. And they all have affiliate programs. So why scam when you can provide real value.

And, as far as your quote, That should change with your new found business wisdom..and if not, still the choice remains. Sell your software, with the built in scam option, or promote one of the other hundred's of companies who don't have to resort to your sleaze techniques.

Very Ironic....

Isn't this the same Hooper who bitched and whined when CashQuest was going to launch a LEGIT pop up blocker offering to webmasters? In fact, I think you even threatened litigation over it because you were concerned about losing some of your pop up revenue if it really took off.

Also the same Hooper who complains about others billing tactics, but then comes up with a bunch of lame excuses over his own. At least be man enough to own up to what you're doing instead of treating everyone at GFY like they are idiots. You're not fooling anyone.

Too funny.....:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

any intelligent person!? Now thats a VERY INTELLIGENT assumption...

Im fairly confident that at least 95% of people have bought stuff during the last year without reading thoroughly
the "term & condition" notice... That makes them dumb.. so then deserving of being charge additional money? :1orglaugh

And then you go blame it on "they lied" so they deserve it!:1orglaugh How weak is that!?

Just admit it.. you dont put a "$24.95 recurring" notice on the top of the page because you hope to SCREW the people that dont read the "term & condition" notice when they are buying a SOFTWARE!

Again. im asking.. is mentionning additional reccuring fees hidden in the "term & condition" notice Visa approved..?