Everything, especially art, is a matter of perception. To me, Christ on a cross means: 'Here's what will happen to you if you question authority'

So GFY buddy :321GFY

What if it was a picture of Hitler floating in the water?

He killed a bunch of people and I have seen TONS of images if Hitler used in art, are you saying Jews are offended more by some Hamas bitch over Hitler?

I have never seen an AMBASSADOR to a country act this way over any art any other time, but somehow this is justified?

As I have said, I have seen art that has offended me, and I didnt freak out and crash the exhibit.

There is no justification for this.

This is like saying someone can be offended by Picasso's Guernica (i dont expect you to even know of the work or its meaning but for sake of example lets use Guernica)

so some idiot destroys Guernica for its depiction of trajedy, and its ok?

Try and think past the curve, I know its hard.

One of Picassos best pieces.

<img src=http://www.nosfermina.com/picassoguernica.gif border="1">

People cry in front of this painting daily, they dont destroy it. It has much more meaning than some picture floating in blood, but hey, I guess it doesnt offend the almighty ambassador.

Well, technically arabs are semites too, they are considered anti-semites no? :1orglaugh

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=semite

What if's aren't at issue - you brought up a particular example and in that example the wound was still very close to the surface.

Like I said, the man acted on his emotions - thats all - the fact that he got a call from his government for support only shows how tense this situation is.

What do you think would happen if there was an art exhibit in New York depicting the suffering of Bin Laden and his people - lets say this exhibit was a year or so ago - how do you think the average New Yorker would react and do you think George Bush might praise someone who perhaps reacted on his emotion and tried to throw a light at the art work or to even - heaven forbid - try to unplug it.

Do you really think that the so called artist did not anticipate the pain that such an exhibit would cause?

Ah, but no one was reprimanded, in fact he was congratulated by Sharon, and to quote"

"the entire government is behind him "

"I think Ambassador Mazel behaved in an appropriate way," he added."

So, do you think if it was someone else they would have been reprimanded? Or is throwing a spotlight onto the art not trying to destroy it engough?

he was not punished, he himself has been glorified for this event, not punished.

what ifs dont count remember?

So its okay to act on your emotion when it involves the destruction of someone elses property?

This does not make sense.

I didnt need to read the article.

You said "these jews" when what you meant was an israelite politician.

Kinda like saying "Why do blacks always do dumb shit" when you are referring to an african politician.

It's ok. You wont miss the money i'm sure, you're rolling in it from what i hear. lol

my point proven.

make your assumptions and decisions, its sad to see program owners even begin to act this way.

I am not anti-semite, nor anti-jew, my post was meant just as I said... "THESE JEWS"

I didnt use it the way you use it here:

"Why do blacks always do dumb shit"

Did I say "all jews" or "the jews?"

no I singled them out as the ones who took part in this event.

But dont bother reading anything and try and make me look bad, its okay Hooper.

As I have said, its always people who dont even bother to read, and just blurp comments out that look ignorant, not the ones forming throughs and taking part in covnersations.

I spent years studying art, this topic interests me, if you choose to make it a "i choose to not do business with you thread" so be it, but thats all you.

I will admit I should have maybe said "Israeli" my apologies, but theres no need to get childish about it.

Who do these Jews think they are?

It couldn't of been who do these people think they are, ey Fletch.

It sad actually, for someone who thinks there so smart to group people into a class, especially when it comes to religion.

You of course put Jews in the thread article to get a certain reponse / # of posts..

You should remember those "jews" run most of this industry :)

Shalom

I didn't say it was OK - I just said that is what happened.

Not making sense is a whole other issue.

"Those jews" have nothing to do with me

this was about the "Ambassador to Sharon, and Sharon himself" I assumed they were both jews.

I actually did know most of the ISRAELI posters would take offense to my thread, this matters not to me.

So Todd, do you have any thoughts on the art? or do you blindly say the art was anti-semite and glorified suicide bombers?

I like to stay on topic.

since when did calling an Israeli a Jew become offensive?

hahaha

c/mon my jewish friends, comment on the topic not the bullshit semantics of the thread title.

It's hard to believe there are people in the porn industry who think that some political art should be censored because it offends them.

Ignorant.

no comments on my Guernica comparison?

man i guess i should start football threads instead, id be on page 4 by now!

Fletch,

Art wise I have no smarts, talen, etc at all. I can't tell a good painting from a bad one most of the time. Just don't have those kinds of gifts in my mind.

But I will tell you that I totally understand how the person was feeling after he saw that..

I am an American Jew, but I always will support Israel till the end of my days on earth, no question there.

Too many fucking fights as a kid when I was the fucking jew, or people drew racist shit, etc.

Mr. Fiction,

I total support freedom of speech and everything that goes with it.

I would never censor bad or not Politically Correct words, art, etc.

But, we must always stand up against something we feel is not right, weather it's art, politics, etc.

I went to art school and studied art for more than 3 years.

Racism? try growing up in the south of this country.

It doesnt matter what the guy felt when he saw the art, THAT IS WHAT ART IS FOR!

As I said, should non spanish people get pissy and destroy Guernica? Its one of the most valued paintings in the fucking world, again I say, I dont expect any of you to even know of the work. I have driven 14 hours and c rossed multiple states to see Picasso work, so there may be a difference between you and I, but no matter what a person "feels" when they see art, they cannot simply destroy it.

I mean seriously, I have some Pagan friends who DESPISE christians more than you could ever hate Hitler.

Are you saying its justified for them to destroy DaVincis Last Suppoer?

You have to stop thinking in the box and look at it from another perspective, there IS ANOTHER CAMERA VIEW.

Art is supposed to bring about feelings, but that does not give you the right to destroy it.

I am from the Chalmette battle fields, wherre they re-enact thew war of 1812 and Battle of CHalmette daily, are you sauing Canadians and Brits should come there, freak out and destroy the exhibit?

Of course not, its historry, its an event, and its art.

Whether you can realize it or not, I am guessing some just dont have the eye for it, or the wisdom to accept it for what it is.

AND AGAIN, the work DID NOT GLORIFY SUICIDE BOMBERS.

I can see it as valid piece of art.

No matter what historical figure portrait was put in the boat.

Imagine.

Abe Lincoln in the boat.

For really abstract put Lensmans portrait in the boat.

There is no gray area when understanding art.
One either understands what art is or they don't.
Its as simple as that.

Ill tell you how you stand up against art that you feel offends you.


YOU DONT LOOK AT IT !!!!

The guy did what any child might do when he is angry. He threw something at it. Totally childish and as an ambassador , it makes him AND his whole country look stupid.

lots of countries censor art. get over it.

if you dont want censorship then live in a country where there is none.

101 problematic jews

Put Hoopers portrait in the boat:1orglaugh

I can't stand many of the so-called anti-semitism remarks by Israel.
It's a clearly political strategy followed that only hurts Israel.


"Such fears have been fed by a recent poll that found 59 percent of Europeans consider Israel a threat to peace; statements by popular Greek composer Mikis Theodorakis calling Israel "the root of evil;" and November attacks on two synagogues in Turkey that killed 23 people, at least six of them Jews. "



Mikis Theodorakis made a statement last November on a speech regarding Israel. His exact words were: "Today we can say that this small country is on the root of evil" and not "Israel is the root of evil."

If you attempt to use Israel in your speeches and you happen to be popular you'll get attacked and labeled as anti-semitism. Reactions in this case came within few hours when the minister of foreign affairs of israel called Mikis as Hitler, a person that was nomitated for the nobel peach prize last decade...

Countries may censor art but they dont send people to other peoples country to throw loudspeakers at it :)

Are we talking about ART or self-expression?

I have never studied Picasso but I fail to see why non Spanish people would desire to destroy the painting, after all the people of Guernica were killed by no reason of their own - they were not terrorists or oppressors, they did no harm to anyone. From what understand Picasso wanted the painting to awaken the world to what was going on in Spain - and I believe it helped in doing just that.

How do you know?

Picasso: "While it is being done, it changes as one's thoughts change. And when it's finished, it goes on changing, according to the state of mind of whoever is looking at it."

Could it be the quote from the artist himself saying the asshole was out of line and misunderstood his work?

I dont have the quote on hand, but someone posted it in this thread and I read it online somwehere, the artist himself SAID IT DIDNt.

in a modern art exhibition that takes place in most EU countries and major US cities there's a photo of a cock that ejaculates on a christian cross. You should read reactions about this hehe

theres the quote.

so it was to call upon the attention to it the same way Picaso did with guernica, hense my comparison.

What's the difference?

also so you folks know.

the exhibit was focused on "GENOCIDE"

so the artist was only staying within the theme of the show, and obviously the curators appreciated the piece enough to carry it within the show.

the guy was out of line.... heres another good quote.

"Mr Feiler accused Mr Mazel of "going crazy like a soccer fan" who had harmed the cause of Israel."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...9/ixworld.html

I doesnt matter what the artist said, after all you can say anything after the fact - re the quote from Picasso - it matters only who is looking at it and what they see.

Bottom line is he was out of line.

You can look at it however you want.

the ONLY people that support his actions are Sharon and the like.

I dont see the Stockolhm art commity saying anything supporting his actions.

Just people like Sharon and Mazel. Whether they are Israeli, Jewish, or fucking African French people. He was out of line.

No way around it.

He acted like a little kid.

Is Genocide Art?

Lots?everyone has self-expression and is not an artist. Art?the artist has a visual gift to contribute to society (alive or dead). :)

the theme was actually "anti genocide" I would have loved to see this exhibit.

Feilers piece was supposed to be "ANTI-GENOCIDE"

and if you think about it, its a good piece, can understad it.

But politicians and war mongers do not understand art.

Dumbass, we're holding a forum on genoicde with politicians from all over the world, it was started mainly because of what happened to the jews during WWII so that it shall no be forgotten, and as Fletch XXX said this was the theme.

:thumbsup sweden ... a foreign diplomat behaving like that in another country at an art exhibit? then pat on the back from Sharon, fucking childish.

I dont give a shit if you are black, white, jewish, muslim, i only hate assholes. I dont judge one person because of their country or religion. So, i feel free to say, what this guy did was fucked up. Hell i bet half of Israel thinks it was stupid.

"But politicians and war mongers do not understand art."

Oh I think they do, some of them and when they see the facts laid out before them so simply they tend to freak out and kill more people. Denial only lasts so long as they realise the things for which they have fought makes them nothing more than a calculating murderer...

Watch...

One day Bush will snap...