Greg B

Wait a minute. Oil & Gas prices, rising unemployment, terrorism, techno/trance music, socialistic illegal immigrant programs that wear the average citizen down.

Are we turning into Europe?

GonePhishing

Well... Not until we have national health care.

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Well I guess I can't argue with most of that, but trance/techno? I'm preety sure that fad passed a few years back along with e.

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r0oster

You wish.

Oracle Porn

The day the U.S. will turn into Europe will be a happy day!

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GonePublishing:

How about *any* healthcare???

Greg B

Golly gosh Webby, we can't have healthcare in the U.S.! People might get healthy and not run up ridiculously high hospital bills!

Insurance companies would crash. That would leave no excess capital for the govt. to borrow against to pay off the exorbitant costs of protecting us from harm.

r0oster

Europe owns the United States.

And always will.

That's just the way the world is.

Webby

Greg B:

Ah.. I understand now!

Tho I can't help think "something" is wrong someplace...

Now.. about that trip to Mars ...

cluck

YAY EUROPE!

We need much higher oil and gas prices.

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Greg B

Someone told me a pack of Marlboros goes for like $10 a pack in Europe. For them prices I better not hear of anybody dyin' of cancer cause it's too expensive to smoke.

cluck

$10 a pack is wack. I don't even like paying $6.14 over here.

But really, the US treats gasoline like it's water. The hybrid electric cars really should be the standard in this day and age.

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monro

Please explain:
( No comment from Darren please )

If you are being sick in the USA, say diabetes, how do you being treated and where to turn?

Greg B

Well, if you get sick in the U.S.A. and you're not wealthy, you're fucked.

UNLESS you're a felony offender in a prison, or an illegal alien immigrant.

If you're a taxpaying citizen who obeys the law you're too much in debt to pay for medical attention so your best bet is to leave the country, enter illegally, commit felony and do 3 years in a prison where your optical and dental are paid for by everbody else who is too stupid to do what you just did. You can also get a college degree too!

Let' see them do THAT in one of them famous Russian Gulags.

We're the USA, we do crime like KFC does chicken...RIGHT.

Loryn

Yeah, like us Americans want our hospitals looking like the fucking DMV. Please no one here in America is denied health care.

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cluck

They're not DENIED it, they just have to deal with the repo man when it's time to pay the bills

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fuelcell

hahahaha....might want to look over your shoulder and check out that American Military Base in your backyard. Estimates run from 800 to over a 1,000 American bases overseas. All part of our "footprint" stomping on your European ass.

http://alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=17563

be afraid...be very afraid

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If they have a of a fucking brain they don't.

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Webby

Sheesh.. there are loads of stupid folks around! :-) This has denegrated into some "US V Europe" shit with wild statements hahahahahaded.

As a matter of record, there is a severe US problem in this world, not just with Europe. This ranges from a series of very bad "relationships" to a totally fucked economy, which, in a few short years, other nations will own 40% of the total US economy.

As for Europe.. "Someone told me a pack of Marlboros goes for like $10 a pack in Europe." .. Well.. they lied. But sure ain't far off $10 a pack!!!

Chris E

Agreed. We have history and class, something you can't buy! ;)

MetaMan

Euro is for freaked out trash people.
the only half decent Euros are from Ukraine and Britain, the rest is a drop in the bucket.

North America runs the world, i hoep we never turn into a Euro country, the fashion and accents would make me puke.

Lane

I doubt that he was talking about power. But it seems like that's all you care about.
The conversation is about living standards and you bring in the military.

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Why don't you go packing with your Marlboros in the moutains of Europe and get lost.

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Loryn-Adult.com

Back to a state of denial???

If you actually have something to say and want to claim this is not the case, - feel free!!

Roger

Nice to see the maturity level around here.

iroc409

socialized healthcare would not work in the states period.

besides, people can get what they need with a little effort. it's kinda like 'work', but not really

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cluck

So only smart people have a right to both get healthcare and have money?

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12clicks

too bad the euro trash in this thread won't be here 4-5 years from now to bring back these dopey ideas and throw them in their face.

It must be cool to live with your european head in the sand and be told you have a high standard of living with good health care.

When was the last time someone wanted the best teatment available hopped a plane and headed for europe?

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There's probably someone boarding a plane to do this right now. There are lots of treatments for lots of different medical conditions that aren't approved yet in the US, but are in Europe.

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r0oster

Why don't you stop trolling and look it up?

We all know you like statistics.

Webby

12clicks:

It takes a bit of effort to look up and find something equal to these idiot "words" - they guy is demented.

r0oster

He is funny to watch though. You've got to give him that.

His rant that he would not obey the new law and would continue talking on his hand held phone while driving.

Funny shit.

"Screw any accidents I may cause, screw the law ... I'm talking on my phone! I refuse to buy a hands free kit or just pull over like normal law abiding people!"

I've watched his posts on other forums too. Search for "Standard Internet" at JimWorld.com and a bunch of other heavily trafficked mainstream forums.

Sometimes, he really doesn't know when to stop arguing.

HarlotCash Dyker

I think you want to get your head out of the sand -

Several European counties have specialists who leave the US in their wake -
Even small countries which were wartorn till recently are now producing specialist treatment never before seen.

In America - If you can't pay for it - You are dead -

In Europe, if you can't pay for it - You are looked after -

America is good at some things, best in others, worst in many.

Just like any other country.

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Honeyslut

Yes, we are denied service all the time . They just do it in a sneaky way of not treating you correctly. Amercians are told it's all in their head and there is nothing wrong. Blah blah blah One fucking excuse after another.

Woo hoo.. Paxil and prozac cures all !



My examples:

1. I had asthma as a child and told about 4 different doctors that I thought I had it 15 years ago. Allergy testing proved I probably did. I was not confirmed that I had it til a year ago when my new Female doctor who does not play the system game agreed and started treating me.

2. My daughter was denied getting her back checked out 3 years ago because of the system. Daughter now wears a back brace.

3. My hub has been giving the run around for years and told nothing wrong. Wrong. Brain tumor in his pituitary gland. Probably been there for atleast 20 years.



I could go on and on about the fuck ups.


yes, you may get to see a doctor but 95 percent of the time , you will not be treated in the correct matter.

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so fucking true...

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myjah

$6.14 ??? DAMN! I would never pay that much for cigs. The highest they've gone here is $3.50 and I won't pay that much. I frequent the discount cig outlets.

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Webby

Honeyslut:

Gotta agree with you! There are many excellent docs, but the system fails em badly. Add to that the incestuous relationship between politicians and the "drug cartels" - none of that is in the interests of anyone in the US or "taking care" of folks.

Hell.. even the fish in rivers are high on prozac and got a dose of birth control pills :-)

Rictor

We need to raise the price of cigarettes more. They're still too cheap.

Dirty F

Once again 12clicks proves that being beyond stupid is possible.

Bunch of idiots.

Maybe you guys should realize Europe has different countries and different cultures. "Turning into Europe"
Thats the same as saying Russian and Australia are similar.

People who dont have a clue whats happening in other parts of the world shouldnt be opening threads about it.

pornJester

"...its over, nobody listens to techno"

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Dirty F

Look someone made a pic of the world through gregs eyes.

Dirty F

The only place ever where i paid more than 5 bucks for cigarettes is the US.

I guess you also heard stories that we still live in caves and that all the Dutch wear clogs?

HarlotCash Dyker

Brilliant!

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Libertine

Some simple facts about living in the Netherlands (that's a country in Europe, for those that don't know):

• I pay &euro;3.30 for a pack of cigarettes (Gauloises, but Marlboro costs about the same)
• Crime is reasonably low
• Health care is good, as are health insurance programs
• No terrorism here
• Teen pregnancy is extremely uncommon
• Great universities, accessible even if you don't have rich parents
• You won't get arrested for peddling porn or selling sex toys

If the weather was better, it'd be perfect

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RicardoB

The man is right. I am european and when I needed to have my mother's cancer treated The Mayo Clinic in Rochester did what everybody over here claimed was impossible.

They came up with a specialy designed chemo treatment and without all the side effects chemo usualy has the cancer was destroyed.

The reason the USA is ahead on medical treatments is the way their system works. Their specialists have a lot more to loose then ours. If a hospital does not come up with certain treatments investors stop pouring money into the hospital so the presure to perform is high.

Over here it's funded by the government so there is no real presure which makes us walk behind the facts coming out of the USA.

Each system has their upsides and downsides but when it comes to revolutionary treatments the USA is the place to look no doubt in my mind.

RicardoB

And we can smoke weed legally

Theo

what are we gonna do? franco un-american



btw,cigarettes in london are 10euro+ from what i remember

icedemon

When I was poor, I used to just go to the university hospital. University hospitals are always free if you don't make much money. Even if you do make alot, you just tell them you don't. Everybody in the US can get free health care. It's just a matter if knowing where and how. My brother used to even go to the university hospital for his dental work. This was up in Seattle. Don't remember the name of the hospital, but it's the one not too far from the Amazon.com building. Just go over the bridge and up the hill alittle.

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