shermo

For quite a while, I've seen countless individuals doing PR trades and linking any site out there for a simple "PR Boost". The result is a bunch of sites with no traffic linking to other sites with no traffic, and generally these links are at the bottom of a site and they'll never get any exposure. Sure the PR increases, but is google or any other SE really sending truckloads of traffic? What does PR mean to you, and do you really (personally) see a huge traffic influx when you climb higher?

My guess is that this practice won't be successful much longer, if it's even successful at all. I've done this ONCE and I can honestly say that it never did any more for my PR other than dropping it. The most beneficial thing for me has always been to trade hard links with other sites that I respect and that can send an equal amount of traffic back (or more, and sometimes even less). Overall this seems to be the best for me, and it's brought my PR up to a decent level (PR5's +).

What are your REAL thoughts and experiences with PR trading? Has PR trading worked for you? What do you really get out of it personally? When will people get back to linking sites that they like?!

Manowar

i have already recieved over 5000 hits from google this month. it pays

shermo

I've received that on a couple of my domains for a week, but it wasn't through trading hidden links with a bunch of nothing sites. Do you think it'll be possible for sites to trade these hidden links for much longer without Google cracking down finally, or do you think the attention will rightfully go back to sites that do meaningful trades with real people?

Manowar

now people have figured out how to beat google with backlinks everywhere a new search engine will probably turn up.

Hidden links aren't the way to do it but i suppose its more cheap google traffic and that means its more money so people will do it

Trax

this shows that what sherm says is correct
5000 hits from google in 18 days would make me leave this biz
thats nothing times 10

the time where a PR5 could get you something without quality links are over
its all about relevancy now
FUCK PR

by publishing a sites PR google killed its own system
they are so stupid putting it in their toolbar
because now every moron tries to manipulate everything

Manowar

i dont rely on google to make my site run, but its nice to have extra traffic

shermo

My point exactly. If the public didn't know the PR of a site, these moronic trades would have never started (at least on the scale they have now). What does the public need to know the PR of a site for? It's pointless information for most surfers, and a tool for webmasters that is starting to have negative effects. PR is nothing but a number in a toolbar after it's been cheapened like this. The real numbers are in the stats.

pradaboy

my thoughts exactly... Google should have kept the PR for themselves

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A good PR means absolutely nothing if the page is not optimized with plenty of good keywords.

I've got pages with very high PR ratings that I did not intentionally work to get trades to that don't get much traffic and I've also got pages with fairly low PRs that get lots of traffic.

I built a new site a month ago and it was indexed within 2 days and started getting traffic immediately, even though it still has a PR0. The reason is because it is a very text heavy page with keyword rich copy.

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 Smokey The Bear 

PR is only a guess anyways and doesnt reflect your ACTUAL rating with google.

As far as , " is it worth it " when google changes so will i , but until then i will use it the way it is. Its a source of free traffic.

The current pr of a page doesn't make much difference, but what made that pr does.

In the end it boils down to this.

Lets say i made a great page , good keyword density, etc etc.

Lets say it get #8 rank on google for my keyword.

If i add a hidden link from high pr pages with 100+ links on it, it jumps up to #4 on google for my keyword.

So however you want to see it, it works it makes me money it gets free traffic.

Oracle Porn

PR is good.
If you can't get traffic with PR than its bad.
Me newbie se

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AdultNex

IMO, it's only the backlinks with anchor text that counts... Not PR.

Oracle Porn

SE is not about opinions... its about facts.

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Fappeddotcom

That's why I'm selling hard links at the top of www.fapped.com (PR5) for only $20 bucks ;) Contact me at bbcoburn[at]hotmail.com if you're interested. The link will stay up at least 3 months and the site has 100k page views per month.

MadCap

Nice thread sherm i will be following it to see other opinions on this issue.
I agree that the pr should have stayed hidden.

Trax

thats site has about 100 outgoing links already
when you sell links do that from high pr sites with less outgoing links

i can get 100s of your type of sites within 1 update

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Oracle Porn

Personaly I wouldn't want you to link to my site for free...but thats just my opinion...

If anyone interested in buying some GOOD PR5-PR4 links hit me up

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 Smokey The Bear 

Nice site ( layout etc. ), and dont listen to the naysayers. A hardlink at the top of your page is well worth $20 for 3 months. ( not much more but $20 is fair )

Fappeddotcom

Wha?!?! You mean I can't link to the amazing http://www.oracleporn.com ??

 Smokey The Bear 

HEH everyone link your shittiest site to his.

Only sites with 400+ links tranny tgp's need apply.

polish_aristocrat

Ok, I got a teen site with PR3 and almost 0 Google traffic.
If I get 3 hard links on 3 PR5+ sites ( teen niche ) , how will this improve my PR and the traffic volume ?

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 Smokey The Bear 

That is very hard to say. If your getting "0" se traffic then it prob wont help much.

Try to pick a good keyword that is not oversaturated and start with that.

A good tip to start off your pr is to get a few blogs going.

go to www.blogger.com sign up ( its free )

Make about 10 or so blogs' hardlink them all to your main site and to each other, USE your keywords here to do the linking , its very important.

Open the templates for each of the blogs and forward the traffic to your main site. ( via se friendly code )

Wham you should have some increased pr by next update, and a good boost for your keywords.

Oracle Porn

You are a moron. Amazing.

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Oracle Porn

PR doesn't mean traffic.
If you don't know wtf your doing pr10 won't help you.

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Oracle Porn

Stop teaching him how to se spam moron.

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 Smokey The Bear 

Kind of a relative term dont you think.

I never asked for google to add my site to their index. If they choose to spider my blogs and pages and rank me high then thats their fault. I dont really see anything wrong with it. If i can trick google and google makes millions then they should be smart enough to stop me from ranking high. If not , then they accept and condone it.

Google needs to adapt, if they dont i will

shermo

This thread has some interesting responses. 1 spammer trying to sell links, a couple people giving some interesting advice and a couple other not knowing quite what to think.

How long do you think this practice of shit link trading and deceptice spider abuse will continue before Google really cracks down on it?

Troels

When they lose significant marketshare.

What else are they supposed to do? I agree though. Said it from the start when the expired domain problem appeared. Why on earth they ever made PR public is beyond me... Some vanity thing? Look how cool our system is.

Don't know. Doesn't seem to be any logic behind it. Typical google

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Why not combine the best of both?

I just changed all my tgps to give the top 18 trades hard linked recips. They get traffic back and real relevancy. Whatever google does it does.

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xxxjay

PR trades at the bottom of the page do work right now. I would look to see these type of trades devalued or penalized in the near future, whereas links contained in paragraph text or higher on the page will get boosted.

Right now there are too many PR whores, whose only goes is to jack that PR bar up as high as possible, that don't know dick about SE traffic. Their days are numbered.

If you are going to do these trades make sure that the people you are linking know what they are doing because it is YOU and not THEM that will get punished for YOUR link.

Just my 2 cents.

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TurboTrucker

I have a PR 5 mainstream site that got it's pagerank from being on highly relevant directories. But I don't even show up for my keywords, I can't figure out why.

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wimpy

You might be "over optimized." Goo started penalizing sites that had keywords in link, title, headline, and internal links, etc. Only for highly competitive words, which they know about because of the Adwords db.

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A network of high PR pages keeps me spidered regularly. That's how I see it. The rest is optimization.

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