Exactly.

Also, can someone answer this.

If in a 24 hour period, a host has 10 servers go down for 1 hour, that's 10 hours of downtime. The total time being monitoried is actually 240 hours. Is the percentage calculated on 24 hours (41 percent), or 240 hours (4%)?

Who's crying? I'm showing you major faults in your script, as well as several others in this thread, and you're still strutting around like your shit don't stink.

Try, just this once, not to be such an arrogant cock and lets try to think of something that will more accurately represent what's happening.

o i c.

Perhaps you could make betterbeup a more valuable service if you could somehow state the cause of downtime.

I dont worry much about a host if someones box crashes, or if some guy gets his hosting cut off for not paying bills, but do worry if a webhost has their entire network go down.

The idea having plugin on the server have it's benefits:
- mysql server checking. betterbeup.com already helped some guys who had mysql problems where it crashes really often.
- bandwidth graphs which eleminate need to setup MRTG or similar on all of your dedicated servers.

Our monitoring interval is 2 minutes. Half hour delay is not for serious servers. Imagine chickentraffic be down for half hour.



and we have ICQ alerts :thumbsup

romans @ bbu devel team

Listen to you, at it again. These people are being polite, trying to explain some flaws in your script, and you're off being a cock about it.

If you're going to classify a period of time your master server is unable to hit the sites running your monitor script due to a 403 or 404 error (or any other error related to the webmaster fucking something up) as "Host downtime" you are misrepresenting the facts. If that's causing a host to lose business, you better believe you can get sued especially when most hosts can back up the fact that their server was up with MRTG graphs, server logs, server performance graphs, and dozens of other means.


Lose your fucking attitude and listen to what the people are saying, stop being so defensive and consider for a moment they're trying to offer their opinions to help make your "service" better. What use is it to anyone if it's not accurate? You seriously need to reconsider what is considered host downtime, or remove it all together. I know you thought it would be cool and everyone would worship you if you could show how shitty all the hosts are, but from what I (and many others it would seem) am seeing, it's not working.

We plan to implement the way to solve this, really.

romans @ bbu devel team

Nice! :thumbsup

OMFG, you are the one acting like a 5 year old that can't get his way. if your site showed no downtime you would be strutting your shit saying how great it is. The solution to your problem of stopping a site from showing down if you take the site down was posted. If that's not good enough for you too fucking bad. You will shut a guys site down for non payment but you won't ftp in and delete a file? give me a fucking break.

404 is not considered as downtime.

and choker does have rights for his attitude, man.

LOL, whatever. Worship me? LOL, I really don't care if anyone uses this service or not. Defensive? Phatservers has done nothing but attack this service. When the solution to their problem was presented, they made a excuse for not using it and continue to whine and whine and whine.

No one is whining cocker. We are just pointing out to webmasters there is a flaw in your system and we have not been down for 36 hours. Yes we do have the right to defend ourselves.
And if you dont think we havnt been contacted by our customers over this...your wrong.



Oh..and 50 more hours of downtime.

240 hours

You have not been down yet you stated before you took his site down? WTF man, get your story straight. If you take a site down for non-payment, delete the plugin and no time is counted against you. Simple solution yet you can't do this one simple thing?

Do I need to slow down for you?


the 36 hours I am refering to is the 36 hours that is listed on your site that we have not been down.

Here's a solution Choker, since Phatservers seems to not like your system, why not have them provide the class c ips they have then ban them from using your service.

By them I mean clients of Phatservers.

few sugestion for choker.
First : say your script monitors sites and not servers. If script is removed then server / host is stil up.

second : doenst matter how many machines you run..if they all go down 1 hour, then downtime is one hour. Example..the whole internet goes down for 1 hour...that means there is no internet for one hour and not one hour times the servers connectd ...just my

:2 cents:

4pics
I like the service. What I dont like is it showing 36 hours of downtime for a customer who did not pay his bills and having my sales staff have to explain this more than once to customers or potentials.

Now if these things can be worked out and shown accuratly I am all for it...I think it is a good thig cause there is alot of shit hosts ripping people off daily around here.

other sugestion. If a script is installed shouldnt you not only get the info from the script but als ping the machine. If ping is oke...site is down but server is up.

Nah, there are 120 guys using this service right now to monitor their sites. This is the main purpose of this script. The table showing all the hosts uptime and downtime is more of a afterthought than anything. I have yet to get one complaint from anyone other than hosts. I think I will reset the hosts total downtime since in all fairness until the 13th if someone deleted the plugin it would report the site as down.

What's to stop someone from getting a cheap virtual account at Isprime, Phatservers, and writing another script to purposely make them look bad. All the while having an account elsewhere that is up all the time?

I think the service should just provide the data to webmaster, and maybe after its been running a few months then maybe show your Choker Top 5 hosts based on certain data you gathered.

Moose, I was not meaning anything bad about your hosting, but you guys seem to be the only host complaining, and to a degree you have a right cause you really weren't down 40 real hrs.

But then the math does not add up as we show total time of each site monitored

Sweet! I was just gonna make a post the other night about services like this.

:thumbsup

thats solved when you monitor sites. It would be correct if it said that site xxx was down one hour and site xyz.
both sites have been down one hour. Total downtime on the sites is two hours. Total downtime on the server is one hour.

Uhm, so, if the client does then pay his bill, late, he should come back to an empty server? Yeah. That'll go down real well.

:1orglaugh

http://www.betterbeup.com/

There, every host has a clean slate now. I will NEVER EVER do this again. Only because until the 13th if the plugin was deleted the site was considered down.

umm, give it a few minutes to reset all hosts to 0. Cache thingy

http://www.thehun.com.br/ the hun will like this one in that list ...:winkwink:

CHOKER SOMEONE STOLE YOUR DESIGN! ! !
fucked asshole lets kill'm


j/k


great service!!!

The host only has to delete the plugin, not his site

Good luck man :thumbsup

I agree, this is borderline false advertising and potentially damaging to a companies business.

It is NOT monitoring the hosting company it is monitoring individual sites and already I don't want to do business with a couple of hosting companies on there based on this report. Even though I know it COULD be something else, I don't KNOW that it IS something else.

What if someone has their own unmanaged box and fucks their own stuff up? Bad report on the HOSTING company.

What if someone doesn't pay their bill and rather than just rushing in and deleting everything on their site (as suggested) they want to give the customer an opportunity to pay and not lose everything.

There HAS to be some liability issues here somewhere.

This post was made while I was typing above.
How does the hosting company know what you are running on your own boxes or even 400+ of their own?

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YES, it's total reset. All downtimes and uptimes and stats are zeroed.

From now on you DON'T have to delete plugnis. 404 is NOT causing downtime.
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Nope. No liability here. I am reporting the truth. Nothing more nothing less. If someone wishes to sue me because this program reported the truth then so be it. The "truth" is as it is posted on the site..........

Warning
The above table represents only the servers that have installed our plugin and that this service is actively monitoring. This service DOES NOT take into account server downtime due to DNS problems, sites shut down by the host, acts of God, etc. If the monitored site does not respond for ANY reason BBU will consider this site down and count this downtime up to 24 hours against the hosts total downtime. We do not guarantee the accuracy of this page, nor do we represent any of the hosting companies being monitored


There is no simple solution for al lthe scenerios everyone brought up.

Yes there is. Provide the service for individuals like every other monitoring program. Don't publically display the downtime information, 'cause more often than not, it's going to be inaccurate.

What he said.
:thumbsup

That would be too rational

Moose why not firewall his ips so he can't run his scripts. I agree with you 100% this script has major flows in it and can damage reputation. Just my :2 cents:

Moose and another thing, he is displaying Phatservers name on his website, which without your consent he can not do.

If a webmaster wants to monitor his sites with a script that's fine let the webmaster display uptime of his/her domain.

I smell whole bunch of lawsuites comming

:Graucho

Ok, I didn't sit up all night thinking about this, but this just came to me.

List the SITES name that is being monitored ALONG with the hosting companies name. That way if ALL the sites hosted by one company were showing downtime, you could be pretty sure it was a hosting issue and not the owner of imadufas.com messing with his dns settings again.