Most trusted affiliate programs in the industry - GoFuckYourself.com

Libertine · 01-15-2004, 07:04 AM

Off the top of my head, I can think of the following:

Adult Friend Finder
Adult Platinum
AEBN
AmateurPages
ARS
BangBros Online
Boobdollars
CE Cash
EpicCash
Harlot Cash
Home Grown Cash
Lightspeed Cash
Nasty Dollars
Payserve
Quick Buck
ScoreCash (not scorescash)
SIC Cash
Silvercash
Soulcash
Topbucks
Traffic Cash Gold
TushyCash
Vivid Cash
WEG Cash

I'm quite certain I'm forgetting an assload of programs, so please post any programs you know of and consider "trusted" here (not your own, obviously, since that wouldn't really mean anything).
Also, if you've ever gotten screwed by one of these programs, please let me know.

kmanrox · 01-15-2004, 07:05 AM

if you trust anyone, you're not very wise....

Brujah · 01-15-2004, 07:07 AM

you forgot Adstats

Libertine · 01-15-2004, 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by kmanrox
if you trust anyone, you're not very wise....

And if you trust nobody enough to do business with them, you won't make any money. Obviously, trust is a relative word. I don't mean trusting them with your life savings, but trusting them with a part of your traffic.

Dveron · 01-15-2004, 07:08 AM

Max Cash

Brujah · 01-15-2004, 07:10 AM

ClickCash
DollarMachine
FlashCash
FlyntDigital
GspotMoney
HawgsCash
OxCash

Wizzo · 01-15-2004, 07:12 AM

PornKings, Dirty Dollar, OrgasmCash and StiffyCash have all been trustworthy as well... but EpicCash would be my "Most trusted"...

Libertine · 01-15-2004, 07:27 AM

Ok, then we have:

Adult Friend Finder
Adult Platinum
AEBN
AmateurPages
ARS
BangBros Online
Boobdollars
CE Cash
ClickCash
Dirty Dollar
DollarMachine
EpicCash
FlashCash
FlyntDigital
GspotMoney
Harlot Cash
HawgsCash
Home Grown Cash
Lightspeed Cash
Nasty Dollars
OrgasmCash
Oxcash
Payserve
PornKings
Quick Buck
ScoreCash (not scorescash)
SIC Cash
Silvercash
StiffyCash
Soulcash
Topbucks
Traffic Cash Gold
TushyCash
Vivid Cash
WEG Cash

Any others?

Thrawn$ · 01-15-2004, 07:29 AM

-->>PUSSYCASH

jovigirl · 01-15-2004, 07:37 AM

-->> www.jovicash.com
We might not be very big but that does not make us untrustful

Spunky · 01-15-2004, 07:41 AM

I seen 5 that had questionable business allegations.

Libertine · 01-15-2004, 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by spunky1
I seen 5 that had questionable business allegations.

Then name them. But, do note that allegations don't always mean the sponsor is at fault.

Trent Edison · 01-15-2004, 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by punkworld
FlyntDigital

Lame scammers. If you promoting them you are not safe...

KRL · 01-15-2004, 07:44 AM

"Numbers I trust, people I don't"

Famous Webfather Quote

Libertine · 01-15-2004, 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Trent Edison

Lame scammers. If you promoting them you are not safe...

Any proof? (threads or whatever will do)

Trent Edison · 01-15-2004, 07:48 AM

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=218259

eroswebmaster · 01-15-2004, 07:49 AM

Socalcash

Libertine · 01-15-2004, 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Trent Edison
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=218259

Ok, they're off the list.

Trent Edison · 01-15-2004, 07:53 AM

Sunnydollars should be in this list. They are doing awesome job to make sure their webmasters make maximum $$$.

Toni · 01-15-2004, 08:09 AM

http://www.fetishhits.com/

jimmyf · 01-15-2004, 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by kmanrox
if you trust anyone, you're not very wise....

Libertine · 01-15-2004, 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jovigirl
-->> www.jovicash.com
We might not be very big but that does not make us untrustful

Quote:

Originally posted by Toni
http://www.fetishhits.com/

No offense, but if you name your own programs as trustworthy it doesn't really bear any weight. I'm looking for the opinions of webmasters about programs, not the opinions of program owners about their own programs.

Tala · 01-15-2004, 08:19 AM

Last I checked, I didn't own this, but if Darren wants me to have it....

www.mensniche.com

jimmyf · 01-15-2004, 08:26 AM

Erotica cash

Deepsy1 · 01-15-2004, 08:30 AM

I don't know too much about sponsors , I'm not affiliate , but I saw big-penis.com before years , I also think it's first penis enlargement program on the net

Brujah · 01-15-2004, 08:38 AM

what the hell, why take FlyntDigital off the list because one thread mentions someone had a bad experience with them so far ? If you do a search I bet you'll find a similiar thread for every program in your list.

I think Trent just needs to follow-up with someone from FlyntDigital and try and get it cleared up.

Trent Edison · 01-15-2004, 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brujah
what the hell, why take FlyntDigital off the list because one thread mentions someone had a bad experience with them so far ? If you do a search I bet you'll find a similiar thread for every program in your list.

I think Trent just needs to follow-up with someone from FlyntDigital and try and get it cleared up.

What follow-up? They dont even reply on my emails.

jimmyf · 01-15-2004, 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Trent Edison

What follow-up? They dont even reply on my emails.

that's a good reason

Libertine · 01-15-2004, 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brujah
what the hell, why take FlyntDigital off the list because one thread mentions someone had a bad experience with them so far ? If you do a search I bet you'll find a similiar thread for every program in your list.

I think Trent just needs to follow-up with someone from FlyntDigital and try and get it cleared up.

Well, what concerns me is that they didn't respond to the thread.

MeatAxe · 01-15-2004, 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Deepsy1
I don't know too much about sponsors , I'm not affiliate , but I saw big-penis.com before years , I also think it's first penis enlargement program on the net

yeah they were great

sherie · 01-15-2004, 09:57 AM

Guerilla Traffic and Porn Profit

SR · 01-15-2004, 10:00 AM

I don't trust any program 100% but some just more than others.

I don't think that there are that many programs that shave or screw you somehow but it's almost impossible to be 100% sure.

IntenseCash · 01-15-2004, 10:06 AM

Nasty Dollars is one of my favorites because of all the content they update. They get two thumbs up!

Honestly not enough people have tried our program to give comments about us. But so far everyone loves our new designs as well as how well our new sites have been converting.

digi · 01-15-2004, 10:11 AM

Score-Cash

TeaseEntertainments2 · 01-15-2004, 10:14 AM

Don't forget

SlickCash
SexPromote
CupidBucks
PillPromote

ALWAYS PAYING ON TIME!

Odie · 01-15-2004, 10:22 AM

most of the time it's the rep that I deal with that makes me trust the company...if I can't trust the person I'm dealing with then why would I want to do biz w/ your company???

hjnet · 01-15-2004, 10:23 AM

Nastydollars is my favourite, I'm using them for about 2 years now and never ever had a bigger problem.
Bangbros-programs are also very trustworthy, never had a problem with them.
And of course ARS, also very well organized and payments are always on time.

On the other side there are email-programs that never pay and have TOS which don't allow their affiliates to post anything about them on boards! I guess everybody knows which program I'm talking about, fuckers still own me ~$1600

Monique Niccole · 01-15-2004, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jimmyf
Erotica cash

Thanks jimmy

Greg B · 01-15-2004, 10:35 AM

I've signed up with lots of them. WEGCash is very promising. I had signed up with them a while back but hadn't gotten around to promoting them until I got around to upgrading my site to promote.

They have lots to offer, a great diversity and the folks there have a good sense of humor and the webmaster's area is simple and to the point ( Hey Gabe, U Da' Man! )

My site is niche specific so I have to optimize it. Could use more femdom sites though.

Venus' site is very attractive and they pay on time like clockwork.

Maturetales gets lots of attention on my site but no signups yet. Very odd, yet the company has the most rapid and thorough updates. They don't bs around.

One program I like is exploitedmoms.com. Very simple and easy. I guess I'll have to focus on more mature content.

Bangbros gets alot of attention but hasn't converted for me yet. Don't know why. I used them when they had Bang Bus, it converted ok but the new stuff just sits there and shouldn't.

So now I'm concentrating on more toon affiliates.

RRRED · 01-15-2004, 11:25 AM

Hello... what are we? chopped liver?

Benny · 01-15-2004, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Trent Edison

What follow-up? They dont even reply on my emails.

Apologies for missing this one... We always respond to allegations and will certainly respond to this one. We were at the show and somehow missed this.

For the record, FlyntDigital has been around for a long time and has NEVER cheated anyone, and never will... Our content and brand name are unsurpassed in the industry and there's no need to risk our reputation over $400... We either made a mistake or caught a cheater, shouldn't take long to review this one...

I'll be back....

Dirty D · 01-15-2004, 11:46 AM

HowIgotRich.com

A program run by Trustworthy and Professional webmasters...

We care about our partners enough to give out $1 Million in BONUS MONEY...

Signup and soon you will be telling your friends:
http://www.HowIgotRich.com

Morgan · 01-15-2004, 11:48 AM

The top of your head works pretty good at alphabetizing!

C-Bass · 01-15-2004, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by punkworld
Ok, then we have:

Adult Friend Finder
Adult Platinum
AEBN
AmateurPages
ARS
BangBros Online
Boobdollars
CE Cash
ClickCash
Dirty Dollar
DollarMachine
EpicCash
FlashCash
FlyntDigital
GspotMoney
Harlot Cash
HawgsCash
Home Grown Cash
Lightspeed Cash
Nasty Dollars
OrgasmCash
Oxcash
Payserve
PornKings
Quick Buck
ScoreCash (not scorescash)
SIC Cash
Silvercash
StiffyCash
Soulcash
Topbucks
Traffic Cash Gold
TushyCash
Vivid Cash
WEG Cash

Any others?

pornstar2pac · 01-15-2004, 12:07 PM

www.LegendaryLars.com

How can you forget Lars...

LadyMischief · 01-15-2004, 12:09 PM

www.mediumpimpin.com

They have NEVER steered me wrong. They are honest even when they don't have to be. They fucking rock.

Lensman · 01-15-2004, 12:11 PM

JesusCash.com

graphicsbytia · 01-15-2004, 12:24 PM

When I was approached to start up digibucks, I knew I wanted to do it. Being on the other end of the affiliate game for so long, I saw things being done I didn't like and thought I could do better.

For a long time I've been helping new webmasters learn the business, it's something that gives me pleasure, and a big part of the reason I love this business.

Do I want to make money? I sure do! But if making a lot of money means loosing the part I love best, then in my opinion it's not worth it.

A lot of you know me, some of you don't.. but those that do know that if I am associated with something, it's on the level, I wouldn't have it any other way.

so.. put me on the list ;)

Broda · 01-15-2004, 01:22 PM

+ NicheWealth
+ Triple X Cash
= outstanding

I do see quite a few programs in that list I wouldn't touch with a fire poke. Each to his own, I guess

DrGuile · 01-15-2004, 01:27 PM

This thread is so useless, its funny.

01-15-2004, 07:04 AM	#1
Libertine sex dwarf Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 17,860	Most trusted affiliate programs in the industry Off the top of my head, I can think of the following: Adult Friend Finder Adult Platinum AEBN AmateurPages ARS BangBros Online Boobdollars CE Cash EpicCash Harlot Cash Home Grown Cash Lightspeed Cash Nasty Dollars Payserve Quick Buck ScoreCash (not scorescash) SIC Cash Silvercash Soulcash Topbucks Traffic Cash Gold TushyCash Vivid Cash WEG Cash I'm quite certain I'm forgetting an assload of programs, so please post any programs you know of and consider "trusted" here (not your own, obviously, since that wouldn't really mean anything). Also, if you've ever gotten screwed by one of these programs, please let me know. __________________ /(bb\|[^b]{2})/

01-15-2004, 07:05 AM	#2
kmanrox aka K-Man Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The Gutter Posts: 29,292	if you trust anyone, you're not very wise.... __________________ Crypto HODLr Crypto mining Angel investor

01-15-2004, 07:07 AM	#3
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	you forgot Adstats __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

01-15-2004, 07:08 AM	#5
Dveron Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Vancouver Posts: 2,794	Max Cash __________________ Adult Comics Club - Updated Bi-Daily. 60% Recurring Payouts. Exclusive Comic Content.

01-15-2004, 07:10 AM	#6
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	ClickCash DollarMachine FlashCash FlyntDigital GspotMoney HawgsCash OxCash __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

01-15-2004, 07:12 AM	#7
Wizzo 2011 GFY Hall of Fame! Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Back in Texas! Posts: 15,224	PornKings, Dirty Dollar, OrgasmCash and StiffyCash have all been trustworthy as well... but EpicCash would be my "Most trusted"... __________________ Looking for Opportunity!

01-15-2004, 07:27 AM	#8
Libertine sex dwarf Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 17,860	Ok, then we have: Adult Friend Finder Adult Platinum AEBN AmateurPages ARS BangBros Online Boobdollars CE Cash ClickCash Dirty Dollar DollarMachine EpicCash FlashCash FlyntDigital GspotMoney Harlot Cash HawgsCash Home Grown Cash Lightspeed Cash Nasty Dollars OrgasmCash Oxcash Payserve PornKings Quick Buck ScoreCash (not scorescash) SIC Cash Silvercash StiffyCash Soulcash Topbucks Traffic Cash Gold TushyCash Vivid Cash WEG Cash Any others? __________________ /(bb\|[^b]{2})/

01-15-2004, 07:29 AM	#9
Thrawn$ Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Mtl Posts: 4,596	-->>PUSSYCASH __________________ Tracking 202 \| Start Tracking PPC Campaigns Like A Pro

01-15-2004, 07:37 AM	#10
jovigirl Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: On the edge Posts: 1,796	-->> www.jovicash.com We might not be very big but that does not make us untrustful __________________ ICQ :333-548-380

01-15-2004, 07:41 AM	#11
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01-15-2004, 07:44 AM	#14
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01-15-2004, 07:48 AM	#16
Trent Edison Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Freeport 7 Posts: 6,132	http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=218259 __________________

01-15-2004, 07:49 AM	#17
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01-15-2004, 07:53 AM	#19
Trent Edison Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Freeport 7 Posts: 6,132	Sunnydollars should be in this list. They are doing awesome job to make sure their webmasters make maximum $$$. __________________

01-15-2004, 08:09 AM	#20
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01-15-2004, 08:19 AM	#23
Tala Fucked if I know Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Do you have a flag? Posts: 23,368	Last I checked, I didn't own this, but if Darren wants me to have it.... www.mensniche.com __________________ ICQ: 11120676 \| Google: mindcrime \| Skype: suitemindcrime\|E-Mail: mindcrime AT gmail.com\|PR girl with great writing skills for hire!!!! Contact me to work for YOU!\|TECHIEMEDIA? 24/7 support from some of the best techs in the biz. Tell Jim that I sent you.

01-15-2004, 08:26 AM	#24
jimmyf OU812 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: California Posts: 12,651	Erotica cash __________________ Epic CashEpic Cash works for me Solar Cash Paysite Plugin Gallery of the day freesites,POTD,Gallery generator with free hosting

01-15-2004, 08:30 AM	#25
Deepsy1 Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Pimple-faced-script-kiddie-ville Posts: 506	I don't know too much about sponsors , I'm not affiliate , but I saw big-penis.com before years , I also think it's first penis enlargement program on the net __________________ ...but still im having memories of high speed,when the cops crash, pushing a cock into my ass,while my tiny pecker blasts.

01-15-2004, 08:38 AM	#26
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	what the hell, why take FlyntDigital off the list because one thread mentions someone had a bad experience with them so far ? If you do a search I bet you'll find a similiar thread for every program in your list. I think Trent just needs to follow-up with someone from FlyntDigital and try and get it cleared up. __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

01-15-2004, 09:57 AM	#31
sherie Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 7,020	Guerilla Traffic and Porn Profit __________________ AIM sherierocks ICQ 127-296-286 Skype traffichor

01-15-2004, 10:00 AM	#32
SR Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,239	I don't trust any program 100% but some just more than others. I don't think that there are that many programs that shave or screw you somehow but it's almost impossible to be 100% sure.

01-15-2004, 10:06 AM	#33
IntenseCash Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,421	Nasty Dollars is one of my favorites because of all the content they update. They get two thumbs up! Honestly not enough people have tried our program to give comments about us. But so far everyone loves our new designs as well as how well our new sites have been converting. __________________ IntenseCash.com ~ Chuck \| ICQ: 444887112 Top converting sites: BrokeStraightBoys.com, CollegeDudes.com & CollegeBoyPhysicals.com

01-15-2004, 10:11 AM	#34
digi Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: ON, Canada Posts: 1,314	Score-Cash

01-15-2004, 10:14 AM	#35
TeaseEntertainments2 Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,492	Don't forget SlickCash SexPromote CupidBucks PillPromote ALWAYS PAYING ON TIME!

01-15-2004, 10:22 AM	#36
Odie Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The WATER BABY! Posts: 7,040	most of the time it's the rep that I deal with that makes me trust the company...if I can't trust the person I'm dealing with then why would I want to do biz w/ your company??? __________________ Odie [email protected] Are you Mobile???? MMACanada ICQ # 166208354 See Who I Am At AdultWhosWho.com!

01-15-2004, 10:23 AM	#37
hjnet Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: European Union Posts: 3,815	Nastydollars is my favourite, I'm using them for about 2 years now and never ever had a bigger problem. Bangbros-programs are also very trustworthy, never had a problem with them. And of course ARS, also very well organized and payments are always on time. On the other side there are email-programs that never pay and have TOS which don't allow their affiliates to post anything about them on boards! I guess everybody knows which program I'm talking about, fuckers still own me ~$1600

01-15-2004, 10:35 AM	#39
Greg B So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: EARTH (for the time being) Posts: 7,014	I've signed up with lots of them. WEGCash is very promising. I had signed up with them a while back but hadn't gotten around to promoting them until I got around to upgrading my site to promote. They have lots to offer, a great diversity and the folks there have a good sense of humor and the webmaster's area is simple and to the point ( Hey Gabe, U Da' Man! ) My site is niche specific so I have to optimize it. Could use more femdom sites though. Venus' site is very attractive and they pay on time like clockwork. Maturetales gets lots of attention on my site but no signups yet. Very odd, yet the company has the most rapid and thorough updates. They don't bs around. One program I like is exploitedmoms.com. Very simple and easy. I guess I'll have to focus on more mature content. Bangbros gets alot of attention but hasn't converted for me yet. Don't know why. I used them when they had Bang Bus, it converted ok but the new stuff just sits there and shouldn't. So now I'm concentrating on more toon affiliates.

01-15-2004, 11:25 AM	#40
RRRED Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: WA Posts: 6,754	Hello... what are we? chopped liver?

01-15-2004, 11:46 AM	#42
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01-15-2004, 11:48 AM	#43
Morgan Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Corona Del Mar, CA Posts: 10,520	The top of your head works pretty good at alphabetizing! __________________ PornstarPlatinum.com \| TransErotica.com

01-15-2004, 12:07 PM	#45
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01-15-2004, 12:09 PM	#46
LadyMischief Orgasms N Such! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oakville, Ontario Posts: 18,135	www.mediumpimpin.com They have NEVER steered me wrong. They are honest even when they don't have to be. They fucking rock. __________________ ICQ 3522039 Content Manager - orgasm.com [email protected]

01-15-2004, 12:11 PM	#47
Lensman GFY Chaperone Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Adult.com Posts: 9,846	JesusCash.com

01-15-2004, 12:24 PM	#48
graphicsbytia Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tennessee Posts: 2,618	When I was approached to start up digibucks, I knew I wanted to do it. Being on the other end of the affiliate game for so long, I saw things being done I didn't like and thought I could do better. For a long time I've been helping new webmasters learn the business, it's something that gives me pleasure, and a big part of the reason I love this business. Do I want to make money? I sure do! But if making a lot of money means loosing the part I love best, then in my opinion it's not worth it. A lot of you know me, some of you don't.. but those that do know that if I am associated with something, it's on the level, I wouldn't have it any other way. so.. put me on the list ;)

01-15-2004, 01:22 PM	#49
Broda Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: CheapAssDesigns.com Posts: 1,874	+ NicheWealth + Triple X Cash = outstanding I do see quite a few programs in that list I wouldn't touch with a fire poke. Each to his own, I guess __________________ CheapAssDesigns.com - when you need quality designs at affordable prices. icq: 230-729-205 info \|at\| cheap ass designs dot com