Would it be stupid to have a monthly shave test on gfy? - GoFuckYourself.com

Dirty F · 01-08-2004, 11:09 AM

Just thinking out loud here.

Once a month everybody who wants to pulls out his cc buys a trial at site through a linking code made public in a post here and someone makes a screengrab and confirms it with the people who bought a trial.

Ofcourse end of the day the sponsor would get to keep the money and the account will be disabled.

Is this stupid? Does it break any laws or terms?

I honestly dont think its a bad idea. The sponsor will exposed as a honest sponsor, makes a few bucks and we are sure nothing shady is going on. Plus it will scare the shavers because they know they could be hit next.

Chris · 01-08-2004, 11:10 AM

If you dont trust a sponsor with your money run your own sites

mrthumbs · 01-08-2004, 11:11 AM

Considering those sponsors dont read GFY: Great Idea!!!!!

Mr Rocket Scientist..

johnbosh · 01-08-2004, 11:12 AM

Fu-Q · 01-08-2004, 11:14 AM

just stop thinking already battuss, it doesnt work out well for you.

Dirty F · 01-08-2004, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mrthumbs
Considering those sponsors dont read GFY: Great Idea!!!!!

Mr Rocket Scientist..

Listen Einstein, ofcourse it wont be announced you asswiper. Duh!

"Tomorrow were gonna test xxxxx.com, heres 24 hours to get your shit straight" Yeah right.

Darren · 01-08-2004, 11:15 AM

lol

well www.mensniche.com will be first to be tested! Come on signup and give me ur $$

Reak · 01-08-2004, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by johnbosh
no

yes

Dirty F · 01-08-2004, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fu-Q
just stop thinking already battuss, it doesnt work out well for you.

Listen, instead of just attacking me why dont you instead of try to look smart actually would say something useful about the topic.

So you think its a yet another stupid idea from me, thats fair, now explain why.

LukieD · 01-08-2004, 11:17 AM

It will be against terms if you use a per signup sponsor with yours or a friends ref code.

brand0n · 01-08-2004, 11:18 AM

well, 1st off seein how vast GFY is, you dont think the sponsors being tested would be informed and turn the shaver down?

Dirty F · 01-08-2004, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by LukieD
It will be against terms if you use a per signup sponsor with yours or a friends ref code.

So they will not pay you out...ofcourse, this shouldnt happen anyway. You got a point tho but i dont see why a program owner wouldnt want to cooperate. They wont lose anything.

dirtysouth · 01-08-2004, 11:19 AM

i like.

Dirty F · 01-08-2004, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by brand0n
well, 1st off seein how vast GFY is, you dont think the sponsors being tested would be informed and turn the shaver down?

Yes, that would indeed be a problem if they find out the min its posted and are able to simply push a button to stop the shaving. Im not sure its that simple tho. The few times ive seen a shaver in action (screenshots) its for all the affiliates and not just 1 account.

Fu-Q · 01-08-2004, 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Battuss

Listen, instead of just attacking me why dont you instead of try to look smart actually would say something useful about the topic.

So you think its a yet another stupid idea from me, thats fair, now explain why.

because as that is great for sign ups, it seems the recent "glitches" ( or whatever you want to call it) was about re-bills.

Dirty F · 01-08-2004, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fu-Q

because as that is great for sign ups, it seems the recent "glitches" ( or whatever you want to call it) was about re-bills.

We cant test the whole web ofcourse but this is a start, the pps sponsors who run their own program.

superweb · 01-08-2004, 11:22 AM

You can always signup under yourself to test the sponsor & then e-mail them to remove your su.

Dirty F · 01-08-2004, 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by superweb
You can always signup under yourself to test the sponsor & then e-mail them to remove your su.

Uh, have you ever promoted a pps sponsor? 1 sign up doesnt mean shit.

Fu-Q · 01-08-2004, 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Battuss

So they will not pay you out...ofcourse, this shouldnt happen anyway. You got a point tho but i dont see why a program owner wouldnt want to cooperate. They wont lose anything.

they wont lose anything unless they are shaving, and even if they are you would have to somehow notify them that you are doing this test, so they could set up the account appropriately (no payouts, etc)

Dirty F · 01-08-2004, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fu-Q

they wont lose anything unless they are shaving, and even if they are you would have to somehow notify them that you are doing this test. so they could set up the account appropriately

Why would we have to notify them? That ofcourse would defeat the purpose.

Fu-Q · 01-08-2004, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Battuss

Why would we have to notify them? That ofcourse would defeat the purpose.

so then what your suggesting is fraud?

Dirty F · 01-08-2004, 11:27 AM

If i was running a pps program people would be free to test this anytime! No problem at all, nothing to hide. Ofcourse i wouldnt pay out to that account but i honestly would people invite to test me at any time.

Dirty F · 01-08-2004, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fu-Q

so then what your suggesting is fraud?

Fraud?

Are you just attacking me for the fuck of it or do you really think its such a stupid idea? I think its the first hence your first post in this thread. Too bad.

Fu-Q · 01-08-2004, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Battuss
If i was running a pps program people would be free to test this anytime! No problem at all, nothing to hide. Ofcourse i wouldnt pay out to that account but i honestly would people invite to test me at any time.

i beleive you can set accounts up differently. if you had a test account, it wouldnt necessarily be the same as the other accounts

Fu-Q · 01-08-2004, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Battuss

Fraud?

Are you just attacking me for the fuck of it or do you really think its such a stupid idea? I think its the first hence your first post in this thread. Too bad.

im really not attacking you, this time.

Dirty F · 01-08-2004, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fu-Q

i beleive you can set accounts up differently. if you had a test account, it wouldnt necessarily be the same as the other accounts

But ofcourse they wouldnt know its a test account...

Man, i really ask people to post critic but youre just trying to bash me in every way you can...Like you did in other posts as well.

Dirty F · 01-08-2004, 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fu-Q

im really not attacking you, this time.

I doubt it :/

Fu-Q · 01-08-2004, 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Battuss

But ofcourse they wouldnt know its a test account...

Man, i really ask people to post critic but youre just trying to bash me in every way you can...Like you did in other posts as well.

ok here is the question i have: how will they not know its a test acount if you dont payout

Dirty F · 01-08-2004, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fu-Q

ok here is the question i have: how will they not know its a test acount if you dont payout

Im not sure if i understand you but:

They will find out later which isnt relevant anymore since the signups and possible shaving already occured. Know what i mean?

Dirty F · 01-08-2004, 11:38 AM

I just thought of one thing that would suck...

Shaving software can be really smart. It can be programmed to not fuck up with tests like this. Its easy to program it in a way that when it sees theres no traffic sent just 1:1 conversions it knows its a possible test. What ive heard from shavers is they react on the amount of traffic that is sent and the conversions it generates.

Fu-Q · 01-08-2004, 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Battuss

Im not sure if i understand you but:

They will find out later which isnt relevant anymore since the signups and possible shaving already occured. Know what i mean?

ok i see where the problem is. we are talking about 2 different things now. you said:

Quote:

Originally posted by Battuss
If i was running a pps program people would be free to test this anytime! No problem at all, nothing to hide. Ofcourse i wouldnt pay out to that account but i honestly would people invite to test me at any time.

i am saying if you had a test account setup (for your hypothetical company) you could set the settings for that however you would like, it wouldnt prove anything

Dirty F · 01-08-2004, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fu-Q

i am saying if you had a test account setup (for your hypothetical company) you could set the settings for that however you would like, it wouldnt prove anything

Ah ofcourse. No i wouldnt invite people to test an given account. Id invite them to sign up on any day they want and test it out.

Fu-Q · 01-08-2004, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Battuss

I doubt it :/

no really. i only "attack" you when you say something stupid. you might be on the right track with this idea, you just need to refine it. get a few things figured out, if you want my completely different opinion get ahold of me on icq - 195301080

Dirty F · 01-08-2004, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fu-Q

no really. i only "attack" you when you say something stupid. you might be on the right track with this idea, you just need to refine it. get a few things figured out, if you want my completely different opinion get ahold of me on icq - 195301080

Aight, hitting you up.

Icq cant find your #

Ah well.
If you have something to mention in private:

95164758

Got it working now.

nobull · 01-08-2004, 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fu-Q

ok here is the question i have: how will they not know its a test acount if you dont payout

Forget the payout and test account.... do this. Get a group of 20 people that are willing to do this each month. Pick a site that you want to test for the month and have one of the people join that sites webmaster program. Then have the other 19 people join that site using the REF code. Report all your findings along with a check for all the revenue that the webmaster account makes to the sponsor then post a full report on GFY.

You could count me in on this....maybe even do it once a week

Dirty F · 01-08-2004, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by nobull

Forget the payout and test account.... do this. Get a group of 20 people that are willing to do this each month. Pick a site that you want to test for the month and have one of the people join that sites webmaster program. Then have the other 19 people join that site using the REF code. Report all your findings along with a check for all the revenue that the webmaster account makes to the sponsor then post a full report on GFY.

You could count me in on this....maybe even do it once a week

Good idea, but the reason i would like this directly to happen on gfy is because everybody would be able to see from min one whats going in.
Coming to gfy end of the day results in the usual blah blah, accusations of fake screenshots etc.

InsaneMidget · 01-08-2004, 11:55 AM

I noticed a sponsor that will even refund your money if you buy a membership to test signups. Would be a good idea for more sponsors to follow...

Dirty F · 01-08-2004, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by InsaneMidget
I noticed a sponsor that will even refund your money if you buy a membership to test signups. Would be a good idea for more sponsors to follow...

Yes but you cannot expect this with 30 people signing up...it would be a plus but not neccesary imo.

Fu-Q · 01-08-2004, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Battuss

Yes but you cannot expect this with 30 people signing up...it would be a plus but not neccesary imo.

especially with people having cheap trials.... a couple of bucks is worth knowing your not getting ripped off

Dirty F · 01-08-2004, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fu-Q

especially with people having cheap trials.... a couple of bucks is worth knowing your not getting ripped off

Yes, exactly. I couldnt care less about the $2.95 a month i lose doing this.

Fu-Q · 01-08-2004, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Battuss

Yes, exactly. I couldnt care less about the $2.95 a month i lose doing this.

and of course PornKings trials are only $1

Dirty F · 01-08-2004, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fu-Q

and of course PornKings trials are only $1

Exactly, and you can even write it off as a business investment

mrthumbs · 01-08-2004, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Battuss

Listen Einstein, ofcourse it wont be announced you asswiper. Duh!

"Tomorrow were gonna test xxxxx.com, heres 24 hours to get your shit straight" Yeah right.

well that basicly what you outlined in your post you fucking idiot.

xxxoutsourcing · 01-08-2004, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JupZChris
If you dont trust a sponsor with your money run your own sites

stocktrader23 · 01-08-2004, 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Battuss
I just thought of one thing that would suck...

Shaving software can be really smart. It can be programmed to not fuck up with tests like this. Its easy to program it in a way that when it sees theres no traffic sent just 1:1 conversions it knows its a possible test. What ive heard from shavers is they react on the amount of traffic that is sent and the conversions it generates.

Well if you posted on GFY you could just ask everyone to click through and only x amount are going to join. I've considered this before and if a sponsor wanted to be a dick and kick me out of the program for testing them when they got free money regardless I'd just let everyone know about that also.

Any sponsor that objects to being tested could kiss my ass and my traffic goodbye.

Dirty F · 01-08-2004, 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mrthumbs

well that basicly what you outlined in your post you fucking idiot.

Where?

mrthumbs · 01-08-2004, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Battuss

Where?

Once a month everybody who wants to pulls out his cc buys a trial at site through a linking code _made public in a post here_ and someone makes a screengrab and confirms it with the people who bought a trial.

Trax · 01-08-2004, 12:13 PM

battuss
what you need is a more than a handful of people who
a) can send REAL traffic to a sponsor
b) got a credit card

the rest is no problem...
lmk
i would join

Dirty F · 01-08-2004, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mrthumbs

Once a month everybody who wants to pulls out his cc buys a trial at site through a linking code _made public in a post here_ and someone makes a screengrab and confirms it with the people who bought a trial.

Once again DUH.
This test would start the second its posted here not giving them a notice before that. I thought you would be smart enough to figure that out.

Carrie · 01-08-2004, 12:13 PM

It wouldn't be just 'near impossible' to keep the tested sponsor a secret, it would be completely impossible.

Imagine trying to find 30 webmasters who are not connected to any sponsor whatsoever in any manner at all. Doesn't know someone who works there, hasn't made friends with them on the boards, who hasn't pissed off anyone in a sponsor's organization on the boards, etc.

Trying to keep a secret between 3 people is bad enough in this industry, trying to keep it between 30 unrelated webmasters is a pipe dream.

It really is a good idea, but the way you want to go about it just won't work.
Think more along the lines of what Charly is proposing with his webmaster group. More anonymous and less chance of tipping off the sponsor while they're being tested.

01-08-2004, 11:09 AM	#1
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	Would it be stupid to have a monthly shave test on gfy? Just thinking out loud here. Once a month everybody who wants to pulls out his cc buys a trial at site through a linking code made public in a post here and someone makes a screengrab and confirms it with the people who bought a trial. Ofcourse end of the day the sponsor would get to keep the money and the account will be disabled. Is this stupid? Does it break any laws or terms? I honestly dont think its a bad idea. The sponsor will exposed as a honest sponsor, makes a few bucks and we are sure nothing shady is going on. Plus it will scare the shavers because they know they could be hit next.

01-08-2004, 11:10 AM	#2
Chris Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: icq: 71462500 Skype: Jupzchris Posts: 27,880	If you dont trust a sponsor with your money run your own sites __________________ [email protected]

01-08-2004, 11:15 AM	#7
Darren Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,994	lol well www.mensniche.com will be first to be tested! Come on signup and give me ur $$ __________________ Penis enlargement / male enhancement pills - earn up to $229.48 per signup ICQ: 46335817

01-08-2004, 11:18 AM	#11
brand0n been very busy Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: the queen city Posts: 26,983	well, 1st off seein how vast GFY is, you dont think the sponsors being tested would be informed and turn the shaver down? __________________ want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.

01-08-2004, 11:19 AM	#13
dirtysouth Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Mobtown Posts: 2,613	i like. __________________ no sig

01-08-2004, 11:11 AM	#3
mrthumbs salad tossing sig guy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: mrthumbs*gmail.com Posts: 11,702	Considering those sponsors dont read GFY: Great Idea!!!!! Mr Rocket Scientist..

01-08-2004, 11:12 AM	#4
johnbosh Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Netherlands, Rotterdam Posts: 8,965	no

01-08-2004, 11:14 AM	#5
Fu-Q Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,546	just stop thinking already battuss, it doesnt work out well for you.

01-08-2004, 11:17 AM	#10
LukieD Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: London Posts: 927	It will be against terms if you use a per signup sponsor with yours or a friends ref code.

01-08-2004, 11:22 AM	#17
superweb Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 550	You can always signup under yourself to test the sponsor & then e-mail them to remove your su. __________________ <B><A HREF="http://www.webair.com/cgi-bin/in?136">Webair</A> - Virtual hosting from $9.95, dedicated from $119, complete paysite sollutions, reseller program. Most stable host ever!

01-08-2004, 11:27 AM	#22
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	If i was running a pps program people would be free to test this anytime! No problem at all, nothing to hide. Ofcourse i wouldnt pay out to that account but i honestly would people invite to test me at any time.

01-08-2004, 11:38 AM	#30
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	I just thought of one thing that would suck... Shaving software can be really smart. It can be programmed to not fuck up with tests like this. Its easy to program it in a way that when it sees theres no traffic sent just 1:1 conversions it knows its a possible test. What ive heard from shavers is they react on the amount of traffic that is sent and the conversions it generates.

01-08-2004, 11:55 AM	#37
InsaneMidget Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ontario Posts: 3,767	I noticed a sponsor that will even refund your money if you buy a membership to test signups. Would be a good idea for more sponsors to follow...

01-08-2004, 12:13 PM	#48
Trax [----------------------] Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,486	battuss what you need is a more than a handful of people who a) can send REAL traffic to a sponsor b) got a credit card the rest is no problem... lmk i would join

01-08-2004, 12:13 PM	#50
Carrie Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Virgin - nee Posts: 3,162	It wouldn't be just 'near impossible' to keep the tested sponsor a secret, it would be completely impossible. Imagine trying to find 30 webmasters who are not connected to any sponsor whatsoever in any manner at all. Doesn't know someone who works there, hasn't made friends with them on the boards, who hasn't pissed off anyone in a sponsor's organization on the boards, etc. Trying to keep a secret between 3 people is bad enough in this industry, trying to keep it between 30 unrelated webmasters is a pipe dream. It really is a good idea, but the way you want to go about it just won't work. Think more along the lines of what Charly is proposing with his webmaster group. More anonymous and less chance of tipping off the sponsor while they're being tested.