meant to hit 'edit', not to 'quote'

Who ?
Why let them slander you and let it go unsaid ?

Another story?

^ printed. :winkwink:

man, honestly, 1:658 with only 5000 qualified uniques is quite ok, hell even with 20000 uniques it's ok too...

That 658 'qualified' hits were converting to an average of 6 sign ups when the site was charging $29.95 per month and when statistics were being tracked by ibill.com
See screenshots.

And does the adult.com affiliate account with $200 balance is also a joke? A fake account created by another webmaster?

Or is it the account of a webmaster who've been promoting AP for over 6 month now and sent 1000s sign ups there?

Mlin, have you considered the thought that the surfers are reacting badly to the price change?

Normally you would think that surfers would jump at something that was priced so much lower, but that's not always true. An overwhelming majority of the public associates price with value.

A $30 site gives the impression that it really must kick ass inside to be priced so high. There must be tons of content in there and live video and all kinds of things that only the most expensive sites have.

A $10 site, on the other hand, gives the impression that it's so cheap because there isn't shit inside. Surfers doubt it based simply on the price, they think it's a rip-off. They expect to go inside and find 10 photo sets and a thousand attempts at getting them to pay more money for the really good stuff.

Never underestimate the power of PERCEPTION.

what kind of traffic source?
dunno,maybe you miss the higher payout, find a different $30 per signup sponsor if that worked better for you.

:Graucho

exactly, don't forget that the whole $10 sites thing is very new, almost an experiment. i've heard lots of people having shitty results with it here.

Man, I agree but if it were giving a much lower proffits, the would convert the site back to the original. I emailed them several times. Hoax said he has no idea why my sign us ratio dropped. And it it was the case Lensman would have said just said. Instead, as you can see he pulls another BS - that I'm kinda another a fake character created by another webmaster. Heh.

Ok I see some posts have been deleted therefore there is no point dealing with a thread edited by Lensman.
I printed the pages for my collection of the future court case.
Have a good night everyone.

I'm not sure of this so don't take my word for it, when the $10 program started people pointed out that there are prechecked cross-sales that you don't get credit for, again i don't know if it's the case with adult's program or a similar $10 program.

if that's like that you feel the impact in $$$ but the sponsor doesn't since they have the difference covered with the cross/upsells.

sorry lensman if this is not the case here :)

Ok, here is another faulse statement made above by Lensman:

iBill stats showes Sign ups separately from rebills.
Don't try to fool anyone.
This thread alone will make up a solid case.
Thank you.

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It's low to dump real shaving sponsors and it's not low to shave?
No comments. :winkwink:

Was this from the typo domain amatuerpages.com or similiar ?

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=144642

I can understand your concern , but as you changed programs ( and ads ) for the amateurpages site, a 1/6 drop isnt unheard of, if i were you , first off i would have contacted lensman privately and made sure it wasnt a technical glitch, second i would have found a way to possibly continue using the old ad, Third if the ratio's drop , time to switch sponsors/sites.

Dont get me wrong i understand the feeling , the traffic is coming from the same places but the ratio's get worse and worse. Then its time to switch up.

I notice you have left out a gap in the stats ? perhaps you could shed light on this time period and why it was left out ? Its almost as if you chose the best of times and the worst of times to show us ?

First things first though , you should have contacted the sponsor first and then if your questions were not answered post away with your concerns.

Yes it was among the domains that were being redirected to AP and we have a printed permission from adult.com to use that typo.
It's been taken down by us as we no longer plan participating in their shaving program.
Other domains that were promoting AP were pointed toward other sponsors.
Domains that promote their 10 dollar sites will be repointed tomorrow as there are many domains to repoint.

100 Shaving Nicks!

Are you going to sell it ? Do you have any horror or bizarre related names ?

amatuerpages.com is not for sale.
All domains we have for sale are listed at our website www.namemart.com

While afiliates refuse to band together and are happy to work for the guy who offers the highest payouts, before shaving, things like this will continue to happen.

There is no proof here just circumstantial evidence and you can read into it what you will.

There is however an excellent opportunity to make money here though. A "Federation of Affiliates" would be an excellent way of protecting yourselves and making money.

Chraging $10 a month and doing things like protecting them;

From having their sites ripped off by pirates.
Finding out who is shaving for definite, it's easy get 20 people to sign up off a link and hey presto if you do not see 20 sign ups in your stats you are being shaved.
Seeing who is working honestly, the sign ups need to be real and not from a suspiciuos source, then if you are accused of wrong doing you can come back with AUTHORITY.
Having a list of reccommended sites and a list of those to avoid.
Making sure you know who is licensed with Acacia and who is not.

Plus I'm sure many other things like hosting tips, design, etc.

Might be best done by a non US webmaster as we know how easy it is to scare Americans with the threat of legal action.

So why has no one done this? Probably because affiliates would never support it and work together. So they get screwed, but them a few drinks in Vegas and they will forgive you. Who is still sending traffic to an Acacia licensee?

But a site like this could have hundreds signed up al send $10 a month. you just have to make it worth $10 a month.

It's easier than that :: promote affiliates that offer a third party tracking services like ibill.com. If you still fell that you stats are being deflated, leave. There are honest sponsors, but a very limited number.

i donno if thats enough proof for shaving
dont think so
sorry

Go back about 24 hours and read all the threads about CCBill suddenly changing its interface so that affiliates have full info on which of their sponsors were shaving them.

Third party does not equal shave-proof, unfortunately.

You mean a third party processor will not shave for a big program?

You are way too trusting. They can make sign ups disapear with no trouble. But as I said until webmasters get together they have no protection.

are you smoking crack?

themp3.com $2,500.00

who the fuck would pay that? uhh nobody...

Ooo.. :) got link ?

You have no clue about domains, so don't start.

Whoever Mlin is, he seem to be full of shite.

Webmastering 101: trials sell like crazy, full price sign ups sell less so.

god fucking damn. too much drama this week. i'm getting dizzy.:Hollering

Maybe I'm blind, but Lensman rocks for me :thumbsup

I have read and I have concluded.

Lensman, pay the man. If it was your software glitches then that is what it is and the man is owed his fair worth. I program and I fuck up once in a while (long while). I know you can't be right all the time so shit happens. So be a man and handle it and say, hey bro, no need to make a federal case out of it, here, now be gone.

As for the wistle blower, good for you. But don't take it to far. You are in a close-nit industry and to point out a flaw is money in your pocket, to point out someone character flaws is nails in your coffin.

As Rodney King used to say, before going to jail again for beating his wife and kids and buying crack cocain and heroin, "Can't we all just get along?"

Shaving is not so bad! "Saddam Hussein" :ticking

Good luck backing your claims in court, dipshit.

hahaha

I don't need to prove anything, Lensman have agreed to the case. Enough said.

You shithead, shut the fuck up and keep promoting the scam network and kissing asses all around.