classic :1orglaugh

you ripped lensmans design, publically accused him of this with no solid proof or screen grabs, and you expect to walk out alive?

sheesh .... i thought i had ballz!!

BTW im like 0:4200 with adult.com

and 0:7450 with LS

dont see me crying that they shaved ... it might be your traffic?

not everyone can convert everything

There you go.

I'd love to see some solid proof. All I see right now is libel.

If there's going to be a court case at this point, it'll be Adult.com suing you.

OK, let me try and get this straight. You are mad because Lens is gay? But you let him keep $200? Even though your kids are hungry?

Let me know your address and I'll send those damn kids some pizza!

The screenshots are the best solid proof you can have.
Due to the digital nature of internet affiliation, there couldn't be any better proof unless you hack adult.com's program and get the sourse code of their tracking software. Even then, you cannot prove the code is theirs.

The screenshots I provided you with are verifiable.
adult.com can veryfy their screenshot as there is our affiliate link on it.
ibill.com per courts request can veryfy ibill.com's screenshots.
I don't run any adult program and I'm not in adult business. I do traffic monetizing of my domain names, some of which I used to point toward sponsors.
Dumping adult.com doesn't gain me a penny. In fact I let them keep our account's balance of $200 for Jan 2004.

I don't care wether you learn the lesson or not, I guess an average Joe learns from his mistakes only. So, this info for smarter people, who learn from other people's mistakes.

Lensman will be taken to the court. Sooner or later we can find one of his employees who can be a witness in the case. If a guy stells from his affiliates, he probably scams his workers as well. It will take one pissed worker to ruin their scam network.

If there is anyone who have any hard evidence, contact me, I'm willing to cover all legal fees and expenses. In anycase this gay will pay off. Either in court or in loss of proffits.

Just because you a few bad days, they are shaving ?

nothin will happen

turn you up side sown be lucky if a penny fell out.

Wich screenshots ? You call a bunch of numbers Screenshots ?

jesus fucking christ, doesn't anyone in this motherfucker know how to spell?

These were posted in the other thread about this

http://www.royalwhois.com/images/fu_lensman.htm

Get to the point ?

Nice to know.. :winkwink:

I still don't understand why you keep insisting that Lens is gay?? And did you feed those kids yet? My offer still stands, I'll order a pizza for them if that will help.

dude, you're confusing shaving with shitty ratios, these are 2 different things :glugglug

Wich site do you promote at Ibill ?

I don't have kids yet, I'm only 20.
Pizza would be good if you send it to some foster kids house.

The screenshots I provided you with are verifiable.
adult.com can veryfy their screenshot as there is our affiliate link on it.


You can expect the adult.com team to doctor those to fit their side of the story.:2 cents:

The same site - amateurpages.com
See adult.com stats screenshots, there is our affiliate link going to amateurpages.com/affiliatecode

You asked which screenshots .. I showed you which .
They arent mine ;)

:1orglaugh
I get pissed when i go over 1:200 with any sponsor

Yep, He is promoting 2 different sites with the same traffic. You can see that the Ibill one goes better then Amateurpages.com

So? Send your traffic to the Ibill site, There are a lot of people who do good with Amateurpages.com, Much better then your 1:700/800

Thanks for showing :Graucho

Ellaboration:



This is traffic that were sent toward amateurpages.com - site of adult.com

Before about 10/02/2003 amateurpages.com were charging $29.95 per month for subscription and they were operating $71% revshare program where the number of sales were being tracked by a third party - ibill.com

The traffic were being sent from one traffic domain name. The same domain - the same traffic valume - the same traffic quality.

When stats were being tracked by ibill.com - the third party and site's subscription was $29.95 per month the traffic converted toan average of 6 sales per day (not sure of the exact ration, see screenshots).

Then when Visa 1% came up, they changed the price of the subscription from $29.95 to $9.95, so they get lover chargeback ratio. They changed the program policy from 71% revshare to $25 per sign up. And they started to track sales themselves.

Since the subscription price dropped, the same traffic had to generate more sign ups and it probably did. However as per adult.com statistics it generates an average of 1 sign up per day.

Once they started tracking the statistics, the sales dropped 6x times(?) altho the price for subscription was heavily rediced.

Obvious shaving.

you got everything wrong. read the post above.

My point was, cut your losses now and send it somewhere else if you aren't already. Your adult.com account is most definitely going to be terminated soon after this thread.

I'd say it's more of an interesting stat .. but not necessarily proof of anything. :2 cents:

Yes you would -think- you would get more signups, assuming what you say is true about your traffic consistency, but there's a lot of other variables.

well ok, but also the tours changed right?
maybe the $10 tours didn't convert as well as the previous ones? :2 cents:

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Never heard of frames, eh? View source.

Why would adult.com keep the tour that converts 6 times worse than the previous one ? In that case they would put the old tour back.

I understand you are trying to think of all the possibilities. I've done it, don't waste your time.

If you doubt shaving, a smart thing to do is to pay attention to the sign up ratio at least.
http://www.royalwhois.com/images/shaven0.gif

Do you think it's ok to convert 20,281 uniques to 8 sign ups when the traffic is being just redirected from another adult domain like in this case - www.10dollargirls.com - a simple traffic redirection of a highly targeted traffic ? Are these convertions ok with you?

Statistically 20,000 hits is nothing at all. If you want to prove something then you need greater numbers.

It's been for 2 month since they took over the stats. It's all of the same shaving. I just posted the most reent stats.

It does look like your traffic from 1-5 to 1-7 has a problem, I'm not sure if our engineers fucked something up while we all were in Vegas. We just changed stats servers on Monday, so I hope they're aren't problems with stats. We shouldn't do that when we're out of town. Or maybe it's a fluke.

If you contact me next week when I get back, I'll look into it. I hope there's not a fuckup on the system, we are adding the PB Cash to the new stats system, so that may be it.

Regarding your shaving accusation, you are totally full of shit.

The stats from August are from a different processor and a different period. They are from trails and rebills, and your second stats are non-trials and a very limited time period.

Your are cordially invited to visit our offices and look at our systems and code, we have nothing to hide.

And it's pretty low to do this shit, if it's even real, Miln.

If it's been like this for two months then you are the fool for continuing to send them traffic. Find another sponsor.

75% unqualified traffic seems high

I just checked, and Miln2 is a fake character created by another webmaster here.

That's all you have to say?
I guess you are more settler than fighter.
Not even going to protect your bullshit?
Your BS walked too far.

I'm going to proceed with a legal action unless you show the real stats and pay off all the difference and no, I'm not comming back to your program.
There is no difference whether it was a fluke or it was shaving, the outcome is the same - you keep webmaster's money and it's your fault.

This is your first and last chance.