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faxxaff · 12-28-2003, 07:41 PM

I am promoting something like 50 ccbill programs as an affiliate. Usually the signup ratio is between 1:500 to 1:800. In November it went down to 1:1000 and now in December it is 1:2150. Looks a bit strange to me. Anybody having the same problem?

pornjudge · 12-28-2003, 07:52 PM

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Originally posted by faxxaff
I am promoting something like 50 ccbill programs as an affiliate. Usually the signup ratio is between 1:500 to 1:800. In November it went down to 1:1000 and now in December it is 1:2150. Looks a bit strange to me. Anybody having the same problem?

Yepp, join the club... Have you read all the ccbill threads lately, you are not the only one. My ratios are gone to shit with ccbill also. It makes you wonder when will they disable their SHAVING & SCRUBBING options in their admin. Its sad to hear that, Imagine all the money you lost because of this. The cookie issue is another problem they need to fix. Epoch & Ibill are doing just fine for me & I hope it keeps up.... I dropped all my ccbill sponsors & today I signed up with 10 new sponsors that uses epoch or ibill... I hope you do the same bud because you are being robbed

dirtysouth · 12-28-2003, 07:55 PM

My conversions with ccbill have always been shit. I wish certain sponsors would offer another option. I like their programs and I find it hard to beleive they don't convert as well as a lot of other non-ccbill sites.

FlyingIguana · 12-28-2003, 07:57 PM

the sky is falling, run for the hills!

MetaformX · 12-28-2003, 07:58 PM

ccbill is topnotch, but what the heck is going on over there?

foolio · 12-28-2003, 08:02 PM

Hey faxxaff - how do you add a site to that list you got going on?
Can you add asianjenny.com to it? Hit me up on ICQ or email me -- mark at asianjenny dot com

PerfectionGirls · 12-28-2003, 08:04 PM

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Yepp, join the club... Have you read all the ccbill threads lately, you are not the only one. My ratios are gone to shit with ccbill also. It makes you wonder when will they disable their SHAVING & SCRUBBING options in their admin. Its sad to hear that, Imagine all the money you lost because of this. The cookie issue is another problem they need to fix. Epoch & Ibill are doing just fine for me & I hope it keeps up.... I dropped all my ccbill sponsors & today I signed up with 10 new sponsors that uses epoch or ibill... I hope you do the same bud because you are being robbed

There will in most cases be a sales drop off in Dec. Our program has not noticed it really, but some of our affiliates have noticed a drop in sales to all of the programs they promote. Its just part of the normal sales path called the "holiday slowdown".

Before you do anything rash as the one man crusader above has stated... stay the course and watch sales go back up to normal or above normal levels starting around Jan 5th... That the day the kiddies are back in school. All will be well.

We are still waiting to see your traffic sources. I wish you pushed my program so I could see how and where your traffic comes from. Anyone who sends 30k in uniques without a sale is doing something wrong. It must to be the traffic... It's sure not a ccbill issue.

Have you talked to the sponsor to find out how many form page hits your traffic had? The admin does give your sponsor that info. That would be a very interesting stat and one you should look into before slamming the processor. Could very well be you only had 10 form hits..

Sure would be nice if you would give up some REAL info, but i know....you "dont have to prove a thing".. You are allowed to make blind, unfounded accusations without anything to back up your claims.

angelsofporn · 12-28-2003, 08:07 PM

we are adding epoch for folks that are hating ccbill right now...hope this helps you guys out

faxxaff · 12-28-2003, 08:09 PM

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Originally posted by foolio
Hey faxxaff - how do you add a site to that list you got going on?
Can you add asianjenny.com to it? Hit me up on ICQ or email me -- mark at asianjenny dot com

just browse to the appropriate category and hit "suggest new link" and fill out the form.

pornjudge · 12-28-2003, 08:18 PM

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Originally posted by PerfectionGirls

There will in most cases be a sales drop off in Dec. Our program has not noticed it really, but some of our affiliates have noticed a drop in sales to all of the programs they promote. Its just part of the normal sales path called the "holiday slowdown".

Before you do anything rash as the one man crusader above has stated... stay the course and watch sales go back up to normal or above normal levels starting around Jan 5th... That the day the kiddies are back in school. All will be well.

We are still waiting to see your traffic sources. I wish you pushed my program so I could see how and where your traffic comes from. Anyone who sends 30k in uniques without a sale is doing something wrong. It must to be the traffic... It's sure not a ccbill issue.

Have you talked to the sponsor to find out how many form page hits your traffic had? The admin does give your sponsor that info. That would be a very interesting stat and one you should look into before slamming the processor. Could very well be you only had 10 form hits..

Sure would be nice if you would give up some REAL info, but i know....you "dont have to prove a thing".. You are allowed to make blind, unfounded accusations without anything to back up your claims.

LOL, you are just making a fool out of yourself... Let it go, don't try to convince us its because holyday season. I am 1-500 on average with all my other sponsors that are not using ccbill. For the past 4 months or so CCbill really went downhill for me & allot of others also like you could see. Why don't you just admit it, I am sure your program is great & all but only for you. All this BS must end somewhere, someone is cheating somebody,thats for sure. I am not a newbie, just remember that my friend & I am not here to bash on CCbill, the fact is their is something wrong & it needs to be dealt with ASAP or everyone will know & your program will go downhill also & you will see how it feels just making ends meet

pornjudge · 12-28-2003, 08:20 PM

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Originally posted by angelsofporn
we are adding epoch for folks that are hating ccbill right now...hope this helps you guys out

Glad to hear that, atleist a sponsor recognizes the problem & does something about it. I will be propably be the first one to sign up

Burtman · 12-28-2003, 08:23 PM

My stats are a bit better since the new interface went online. They were really bad from Sept. up until the recent change though.

Burtman

bdld · 12-28-2003, 08:23 PM

i was gonna add ccbill first week of january but now i may have to reconsider.. hmmmmmm

JoeA · 12-28-2003, 08:24 PM

As a pay site owner who runs affiliate programmes using CCBill, I would like to know how many of yoou guys actually use any of the promotional material that we offer you..

I know from the many affiliates I have, that only about 4 actually use any of the galleries or images I provide. Those that do or even make their own galleries get sales.. The lazy ones who just have one banner a link to the sites tours do FUCK ALL.

Talking to other pay site owners we think that most afiliates are lazy bastards who want to make a buck doing as little work as possible.. One of my best affiliates runs his own tgp's and links sites and made a great area on his sites to sell one of mine and his sales are 1:350 at the moment and he sends 1500-2000 hits a day to the site. I have others who send more traffic and their sales are 0:3000 as they think that having a link on a high traffic site will get them a sale..

So put some work in to selling the sites that you're affiliates of and stop moaning..

pornjudge · 12-28-2003, 08:33 PM

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Originally posted by JoeA
As a pay site owner who runs affiliate programmes using CCBill, I would like to know how many of yoou guys actually use any of the promotional material that we offer you..

I know from the many affiliates I have, that only about 4 actually use any of the galleries or images I provide. Those that do or even make their own galleries get sales.. The lazy ones who just have one banner a link to the sites tours do FUCK ALL.

Talking to other pay site owners we think that most afiliates are lazy bastards who want to make a buck doing as little work as possible.. One of my best affiliates runs his own tgp's and links sites and made a great area on his sites to sell one of mine and his sales are 1:350 at the moment and he sends 1500-2000 hits a day to the site. I have others who send more traffic and their sales are 0:3000 as they think that having a link on a high traffic site will get them a sale..

So put some work in to selling the sites that you're affiliates of and stop moaning..

LOL bro, another pissed off paysite owner that uses CCbill. I also have a tgp, I post most of the hosted movie galleries that are offered, I even check when a new one is available so I could post it right away. I also have a search engine on my tgp, I spend like 2 hours a day adding sites so my surfers will find whatever they are looking for on one click of the button. NOW, where did CCbill go wrong may I ask? I know their is lazy webmasters out their with no marketing skills, most of the people complaining do have marketing skills my friend, remember that. + calling your affiliates LAZY BASTARDS is not very nice

foolio · 12-28-2003, 08:48 PM

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Originally posted by faxxaff

just browse to the appropriate category and hit "suggest new link" and fill out the form.

cool thanks. I will hit that up after the 1st when the new and improved design goes up.

PerfectionGirls · 12-28-2003, 08:57 PM

Im sorry Pornjudge that you are having a problem, but you look like a man with a grudge.. not a man looking for a solution.

I send about 50k a week to my sponsors.. all are ccbill except for nastydollors. My overall ratio to all my sponsors is 1:700. Thats a combined ratio over 20 sponsors that i run off my exits. Now.. I do have very targeted traffic which we have worked very hard to get.

While JoeA's comments may be a bit harsh for my taste.. some of it holds true. My larger affiliates take the time to make there own galleries that they can brand to fit there traffic. We also host them on there own server for them. That way.. we can work close with them and make sure they are maximizing there efforts... It works... trust me.

Many do just grab banners and put up text links... Depending on there traffic.. that may work just fine for them. We also have a ton of affiliates that use our hosted galleries. We get about 3 million views a day to our hosted. We weed out the galleries tha tare not clicking through well and uhdate with fresh galleries to insure fresh content out there all the time. A ton of effort goes into that process.

With saying that... we have done our homework with our processors as well as looked at many others. We are going to add a cascading billing situation soon as well as run our own stats here starting in Jan... thus ending the "cookie" situation you refer to. All of this will help Im sure, but I know of other programs that have tried processors other the ccbill and then pulled it back. Much larger programs then mine.

Our sales have never been better here... in fact.. we are going to have the best month we have ever had since day one... this month. So, its very hard for me to see your situation from where I sit. I log into our admin and see the stats of over 1000 affiliates and see nothing close to the problems you suggest.

SleazyDream · 12-28-2003, 09:02 PM

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Originally posted by pornjudge

LOL, you are just making a fool out of yourself... Let it go, don't try to convince us its because holyday season. I am 1-500 on average with all my other sponsors that are not using ccbill. For the past 4 months or so CCbill really went downhill for me & allot of others also like you could see. Why don't you just admit it, I am sure your program is great & all but only for you. All this BS must end somewhere, someone is cheating somebody,thats for sure. I am not a newbie, just remember that my friend & I am not here to bash on CCbill, the fact is their is something wrong & it needs to be dealt with ASAP or everyone will know & your program will go downhill also & you will see how it feels just making ends meet

#1. ANYONE - and I mean ANYONE who says they arn't a newbie IS a newbie.

#2. you're making statements that can't be back up.

#3. Usually whinning crying babies like you are only talking about 20-25 sales a month.

TheSaint · 12-28-2003, 09:14 PM

A lot of this CCBill hate is just purely illogical. I mean, a program paying $50 per free trial, sure they are shaving just to survive, but a 50% to 60% revshare ccbill program, why should we shave?

A $24.99 signup nets me over $20 with CCbill. Even if I give 60% to the guy who made the sale, that leaves me $8.00. My bandwith costs 10 cents per gig, so the average member who pulls out 2 gig a month cost me 20 cents and I made $8.00, and I need to be greedy?

I have affiliates who never do over 1:2000, and a few who do like 1:300 or even 1:200, it all depends on what you put in to it.

Where or where is the incentive for me to shave? If I do your ratios go to shit and you stop promoting me, where is the mad cow?

natas · 12-28-2003, 09:19 PM

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Originally posted by Burtman
My stats are a bit better since the new interface went online. They were really bad from Sept. up until the recent change though.

same here...only with certain sponsors tho.

Guess I'll be pushing those more come the new year

Burtman · 12-28-2003, 09:26 PM

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Originally posted by natas

same here...only with certain sponsors tho.

Guess I'll be pushing those more come the new year

Remember in September when their stats went down for a day or most of a day. With a couple of sponors I went from 1:300 from tgp posting to 1:1000+ right in around that time.

As TheSaint said, I ditched them and are using ones that are converting. Simple as that.

Burtman

Cindyff · 12-28-2003, 09:50 PM

This fluctuation in sales is the very reason we only promote sponsors with 3 or more billing programs, so that when one drops off we change traffic to the others. We are noticing a massive drop with Epoch and for us CCbill is up about 15% this month. I am sure its just different traffic and site combinations , it could also be that processors have to regulate some areas or countries to keep their charge backs low.

Cindy xx

mikeeee · 12-28-2003, 10:01 PM

People people people. Don't go changing up all your sponsors because a few people are having a shitty month. And definetaly don't back away if you're thinking of signing up with a CCBILL sponsor. How do you know that one program could be the one that makes you bank?

Try it yourself. Just like theres a customer for every niche online, not every surfer will buy the same shit. Same with you, not every program will work for you, and some will do wonders.

It's different when 100 people say they havent gotten paid, but a few people complaining about sales, it's just not worth taking it into consideration until you've tried it yourself. And even IF it doesnt work for you, your opinion is great, but to spread shit around like "CCBILL sucks" or some crap, is just pure ignorance.

slapass · 12-28-2003, 10:21 PM

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Originally posted by angelsofporn
we are adding epoch for folks that are hating ccbill right now...hope this helps you guys out

Awesome!

Did you also redo the tour? It is shorter now.

slapass · 12-28-2003, 10:33 PM

i think ccBill is a good company. I jsut don't make as much per raw with any ccbill site as I do with ARS or Topbucks. If i suck as a marketer it does not matter as I suck for all of those options equally. I use the banners and content as i need it. I just make less money. I suspect I have to qualify a revshare person harder as just getting a signup is only part of the battle.

inthestars · 12-28-2003, 11:29 PM

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Originally posted by dirtysouth
My conversions with ccbill have always been shit. I wish certain sponsors would offer another option. I like their programs and I find it hard to beleive they don't convert as well as a lot of other non-ccbill sites.

Exactly.. I was with some sponsors who were with ACPay.com and then when they went to CCBill, I got no sales..

KCat · 12-29-2003, 01:15 AM

I started pushing one CCBill sponsor a little & noticed a sale & a rebill show up, then disappear later in the day (different days). I thought maybe they were reversals, but nothing is in the chargeback or refund columns...just gone.

Haven't sent much traffic, so no big deal...but still odd.

BlackCrayon · 12-29-2003, 02:02 AM

i haven't send much traffic to ccbill but overall this month im about 1:800. remember when looking at your ratios how ccbill counts clicks in comparison to many PPS sponsors.

12-28-2003, 07:58 PM	#5
MetaformX Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 6,704	ccbill is topnotch, but what the heck is going on over there? __________________

12-28-2003, 08:02 PM	#6
foolio ICQ: 178725656 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sunny San Diego Posts: 12,366	Hey faxxaff - how do you add a site to that list you got going on? Can you add asianjenny.com to it? Hit me up on ICQ or email me -- mark at asianjenny dot com __________________

12-28-2003, 08:24 PM	#14
JoeA Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: London Posts: 568	As a pay site owner who runs affiliate programmes using CCBill, I would like to know how many of yoou guys actually use any of the promotional material that we offer you.. I know from the many affiliates I have, that only about 4 actually use any of the galleries or images I provide. Those that do or even make their own galleries get sales.. The lazy ones who just have one banner a link to the sites tours do FUCK ALL. Talking to other pay site owners we think that most afiliates are lazy bastards who want to make a buck doing as little work as possible.. One of my best affiliates runs his own tgp's and links sites and made a great area on his sites to sell one of mine and his sales are 1:350 at the moment and he sends 1500-2000 hits a day to the site. I have others who send more traffic and their sales are 0:3000 as they think that having a link on a high traffic site will get them a sale.. So put some work in to selling the sites that you're affiliates of and stop moaning.. __________________ www.saharagetsdirty.com/ www.ravishingindians.com/ www.anglo-indian-girls.com/

12-28-2003, 08:57 PM	#17
PerfectionGirls Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: MI Posts: 4,484	Im sorry Pornjudge that you are having a problem, but you look like a man with a grudge.. not a man looking for a solution. I send about 50k a week to my sponsors.. all are ccbill except for nastydollors. My overall ratio to all my sponsors is 1:700. Thats a combined ratio over 20 sponsors that i run off my exits. Now.. I do have very targeted traffic which we have worked very hard to get. While JoeA's comments may be a bit harsh for my taste.. some of it holds true. My larger affiliates take the time to make there own galleries that they can brand to fit there traffic. We also host them on there own server for them. That way.. we can work close with them and make sure they are maximizing there efforts... It works... trust me. Many do just grab banners and put up text links... Depending on there traffic.. that may work just fine for them. We also have a ton of affiliates that use our hosted galleries. We get about 3 million views a day to our hosted. We weed out the galleries tha tare not clicking through well and uhdate with fresh galleries to insure fresh content out there all the time. A ton of effort goes into that process. With saying that... we have done our homework with our processors as well as looked at many others. We are going to add a cascading billing situation soon as well as run our own stats here starting in Jan... thus ending the "cookie" situation you refer to. All of this will help Im sure, but I know of other programs that have tried processors other the ccbill and then pulled it back. Much larger programs then mine. Our sales have never been better here... in fact.. we are going to have the best month we have ever had since day one... this month. So, its very hard for me to see your situation from where I sit. I log into our admin and see the stats of over 1000 affiliates and see nothing close to the problems you suggest. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Last edited by PerfectionGirls; 12-28-2003 at 09:00 PM..

12-28-2003, 09:14 PM	#19
TheSaint Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Everywhere at once Posts: 991	A lot of this CCBill hate is just purely illogical. I mean, a program paying $50 per free trial, sure they are shaving just to survive, but a 50% to 60% revshare ccbill program, why should we shave? A $24.99 signup nets me over $20 with CCbill. Even if I give 60% to the guy who made the sale, that leaves me $8.00. My bandwith costs 10 cents per gig, so the average member who pulls out 2 gig a month cost me 20 cents and I made $8.00, and I need to be greedy? I have affiliates who never do over 1:2000, and a few who do like 1:300 or even 1:200, it all depends on what you put in to it. Where or where is the incentive for me to shave? If I do your ratios go to shit and you stop promoting me, where is the mad cow? __________________ I have no signature

12-28-2003, 07:41 PM	#1
faxxaff Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Marina Hemingway Posts: 2,134	my ccbill sales are going downhill I am promoting something like 50 ccbill programs as an affiliate. Usually the signup ratio is between 1:500 to 1:800. In November it went down to 1:1000 and now in December it is 1:2150. Looks a bit strange to me. Anybody having the same problem? __________________ Asian Babes

12-28-2003, 07:55 PM	#3
dirtysouth Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Mobtown Posts: 2,613	My conversions with ccbill have always been shit. I wish certain sponsors would offer another option. I like their programs and I find it hard to beleive they don't convert as well as a lot of other non-ccbill sites. __________________ no sig

12-28-2003, 07:57 PM	#4
FlyingIguana aspiring banker Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: toronto Posts: 10,870	the sky is falling, run for the hills!

12-28-2003, 08:07 PM	#8
angelsofporn Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: CA Posts: 3,218	we are adding epoch for folks that are hating ccbill right now...hope this helps you guys out

12-28-2003, 08:23 PM	#12
Burtman Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 484	My stats are a bit better since the new interface went online. They were really bad from Sept. up until the recent change though. Burtman

12-28-2003, 08:23 PM	#13
bdld $100,000 Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 11,452	i was gonna add ccbill first week of january but now i may have to reconsider.. hmmmmmm

12-28-2003, 09:50 PM	#22
Cindyff Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: California Posts: 1,187	This fluctuation in sales is the very reason we only promote sponsors with 3 or more billing programs, so that when one drops off we change traffic to the others. We are noticing a massive drop with Epoch and for us CCbill is up about 15% this month. I am sure its just different traffic and site combinations , it could also be that processors have to regulate some areas or countries to keep their charge backs low. Cindy xx

12-28-2003, 10:01 PM	#23
mikeeee Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 481	People people people. Don't go changing up all your sponsors because a few people are having a shitty month. And definetaly don't back away if you're thinking of signing up with a CCBILL sponsor. How do you know that one program could be the one that makes you bank? Try it yourself. Just like theres a customer for every niche online, not every surfer will buy the same shit. Same with you, not every program will work for you, and some will do wonders. It's different when 100 people say they havent gotten paid, but a few people complaining about sales, it's just not worth taking it into consideration until you've tried it yourself. And even IF it doesnt work for you, your opinion is great, but to spread shit around like "CCBILL sucks" or some crap, is just pure ignorance.

12-28-2003, 10:33 PM	#25
slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,625	i think ccBill is a good company. I jsut don't make as much per raw with any ccbill site as I do with ARS or Topbucks. If i suck as a marketer it does not matter as I suck for all of those options equally. I use the banners and content as i need it. I just make less money. I suspect I have to qualify a revshare person harder as just getting a signup is only part of the battle.

12-29-2003, 01:15 AM	#27
KCat Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: PNW Posts: 2,204	I started pushing one CCBill sponsor a little & noticed a sale & a rebill show up, then disappear later in the day (different days). I thought maybe they were reversals, but nothing is in the chargeback or refund columns...just gone. Haven't sent much traffic, so no big deal...but still odd.

12-29-2003, 02:02 AM	#28
BlackCrayon Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ottawa Posts: 19,631	i haven't send much traffic to ccbill but overall this month im about 1:800. remember when looking at your ratios how ccbill counts clicks in comparison to many PPS sponsors. __________________ you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..