Which legitimate host will be the first to allow LEGAL spam? - GoFuckYourself.com

stocktrader23 · 12-16-2003, 10:06 AM

And what will the upstream providers do now that there is legal spam?

Rich · 12-16-2003, 10:07 AM

Most mainstream data centers already do a lot of spamming, you'd be suprised.

stocktrader23 · 12-16-2003, 10:09 AM

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Originally posted by Rich
Most mainstream data centers already do a lot of spamming, you'd be suprised.

I'm not suprised, most affiliate progs allow spam etc. Spam is an important cashflow for a ton of companies but they try to hide that fact with "We don't tolerate any spam" shit all over their site. And the upstreams don't like it either. I'm just wondering if there will be one that comes out and provides the service.

Could be a fuckload of money involved.

InsaneGreen · 12-16-2003, 10:11 AM

when u find that host, let me know so i can resell to all these gfyers

stocktrader23 · 12-16-2003, 10:13 AM

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Originally posted by InsaneGreen
when u find that host, let me know so i can resell to all these gfyers

Haha, no doubt. And the fact that you have to put a real address is going to cause problems. Anti's are like fucking nazi's. I'm sure there will be some shootings at legal spam offices some time in the future.

skillfull · 12-16-2003, 10:16 AM

who cares if you are out of US
spam is legal in the US
antis CANT bullshit us in canada
and bulletproof hosting/mailing server in the US will be soon really cheap
they are FUCKED

stocktrader23 · 12-16-2003, 10:17 AM

I know some hosting companies are reading this. Come on, give us your take on the new law. Are you definitive one way or the other or are you waiting on someone else to step up first?

Theo · 12-16-2003, 10:36 AM

translate me legal spam

stocktrader23 · 12-16-2003, 10:39 AM

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Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
translate me legal spam

CAN-SPAM was signed by Bush today making spam legal if you follow the law.

Theo · 12-16-2003, 10:45 AM

i thought he would do that within 2004
any link?

rackshack and rackspace will be among the first to comply.

stocktrader23 · 12-16-2003, 10:47 AM

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Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
i thought he would do that within 2004
any link?

rackshack and rackspace will be among the first to comply.

This thread links to the full article.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=209380

But basically spammers have 120 days to comply after Jan 1st. After that, spam is legal if you follow the new rules.

Theo · 12-16-2003, 10:47 AM

the sure is the law will increase spam

stocktrader23 · 12-16-2003, 11:24 AM

Bump for the hosting companies.

Theo · 12-16-2003, 11:35 AM

let's see
http://forum.ev1servers.net/showthre...3&goto=newpost

i would say as long as you comply with the rule and can buy new unblacklisted IPs you will be good.

smack · 12-16-2003, 11:48 AM

he got saddam, he's legalizing spam. if he wasn't all about turning this country into a police state, i'd say he's not that bad a guy.

DamnGoodRatio · 12-16-2003, 12:51 PM

I can't wait to see what spin-friendly new marketing word they come up with. Double-opt in, mass mailers, bulk mailing, etc.. are all already stigmatized.

Rich · 12-16-2003, 12:54 PM

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Originally posted by smack
he got saddam, he's legalizing spam. if he wasn't all about turning this country into a police state, i'd say he's not that bad a guy.

gin · 12-16-2003, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by smack
he got saddam, he's legalizing spam. if he wasn't all about turning this country into a police state, i'd say he's not that bad a guy.

legalizing spam is good? picture 500 huge business's starting their spam operations now? Target is going to spend 500,000$ on a nice mail operation and own the internet with mail. so will best buy and any other store that can mail people few times per day and it will alwyase convert because they have so much.. and they can do it legal now.. why not?

stocktrader23 · 12-16-2003, 12:56 PM

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Originally posted by gin
legalizing spam is good? picture 500 huge business's starting their spam operations now? Target is going to spend 500,000$ on a nice mail operation and own the internet with mail. so will best buy and any other store that can mail people few times per day and it will alwyase convert because they have so much.. and they can do it legal now.. why not?

They could have done it before.

Edit: And it's better than the anti's getting their way and locking spammers up for 20 years for sending fucking email.

gin · 12-16-2003, 01:15 PM

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Originally posted by stocktrader23

They could have done it before.

Edit: And it's better than the anti's getting their way and locking spammers up for 20 years for sending fucking email.

shit was fine how it was

.. and you don't goto jail for sending email that is like a myth.. i've herd about more people getting stuck by lightening then going to prison for sending email

stocktrader23 · 12-16-2003, 01:21 PM

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Originally posted by gin
shit was fine how it was .. and you don't goto jail for sending email that is like a myth.. i've herd about more people getting stuck by lightening then going to prison for sending email

Several states have spam laws and Cali had a tough one that was supposed to go into effect Jan 1st.

icedemon · 12-16-2003, 01:57 PM

When was spam ever illegal (except for certain states)??? The reasons for hosts not allowing spam, is because they don't want their ips put on a blacklist. It never had to do with it being illegal, because it never has been (except for a few states). Having a hosts ip put on a blacklist has nothing to do with the laws and government.

bproof · 12-21-2003, 01:45 PM

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Ross · 12-21-2003, 01:52 PM

SPAM sucks donkey dick. A few big companies are spamming me right now. I am gonna e-mail them about it and if it doesn't stop then I will simply shame the fuckers on here.

gin · 12-21-2003, 01:59 PM

well... ya they signed the bill.. but what difference will that make for the hosting companies? the only reason they don't host people right now is from black lists.. you get your own ips and any host will host you and put up with complaints for a while until upstream bitches.. so how would mailing make any difference? spamhaus.org rules state "if these are opt in emails you should NOT use a remove link, they should not remove themselves if they opted in to recieve this" but on the bush shit it says opositite.. so spamhaus will still block your mail and the hostings ip.. nothing really changed

fsfaz · 12-21-2003, 02:04 PM

I remember back in the old days when Cyberpromo "Spamford Wallace" was around, the backbone agis.net would actually promote that they allowed spam. I had a half rack with them and a few mbps. Was nice while it lasted. I have a feeling backbones won't be advertising it like this again no matter what laws exist.

It's all going to be on the "Hush, Hush and on the QT" if so.

ronbotx · 12-21-2003, 04:12 PM

You can bet SpamHaus , SpamCop, SPEWS and anti-spam software vendors will LOVE the US I-CAN-SPAM law.

Since it is illegal to hide behind proxies, forged headers and since you have to LABEL porn/adult SPAM and include a VALID company mailing address, spamming scumbags and their hosts will be blacklisted, tracked and blocked quite easily. The hosts that decide to take spammer money will find themselves on their own intranet.

I suggest all those whose want to scrub their email and route the crap to the trash where it belongs .... check out http://spampal.org for a great freeware filter that uses all the blocklists and Regex filter COMBINED.

12-16-2003, 10:06 AM	#1
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skillfull Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Quebec Calisse Posts: 4,716	who cares if you are out of US spam is legal in the US antis CANT bullshit us in canada and bulletproof hosting/mailing server in the US will be soon really cheap they are FUCKED __________________ mind at underdark dot cc SEO Analyst Thunder-Ball.net - Member

12-16-2003, 10:17 AM	#7
stocktrader23 Let's do some business. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The dirty south. Posts: 18,781	I know some hosting companies are reading this. Come on, give us your take on the new law. Are you definitive one way or the other or are you waiting on someone else to step up first? __________________ Hands Free Adult - Join Once, Earn For Life "I try to make a habit of bouncing my eyes up to the face of a beautiful woman, and often repeat “not mine” in my head or even verbally. She’s not mine. God has her set aside. She’s not mine. She’s His little girl, and she needs me to fight for her by keeping my eyes where they should be."

12-16-2003, 11:24 AM	#13
stocktrader23 Let's do some business. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The dirty south. Posts: 18,781	Bump for the hosting companies. __________________ Hands Free Adult - Join Once, Earn For Life "I try to make a habit of bouncing my eyes up to the face of a beautiful woman, and often repeat “not mine” in my head or even verbally. She’s not mine. God has her set aside. She’s not mine. She’s His little girl, and she needs me to fight for her by keeping my eyes where they should be."

12-16-2003, 11:48 AM	#15
smack Push Porn Like Weight. Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Inside .NET Posts: 10,652	he got saddam, he's legalizing spam. if he wasn't all about turning this country into a police state, i'd say he's not that bad a guy. __________________ Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war.

12-16-2003, 10:07 AM	#2
Rich So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,486	Most mainstream data centers already do a lot of spamming, you'd be suprised.

12-16-2003, 10:11 AM	#4
InsaneGreen Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: southern california Posts: 996	when u find that host, let me know so i can resell to all these gfyers

12-16-2003, 10:36 AM	#8
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	translate me legal spam

12-16-2003, 10:45 AM	#10
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	i thought he would do that within 2004 any link? rackshack and rackspace will be among the first to comply.

12-16-2003, 10:47 AM	#12
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	the sure is the law will increase spam

12-16-2003, 11:35 AM	#14
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	let's see http://forum.ev1servers.net/showthre...3&goto=newpost i would say as long as you comply with the rule and can buy new unblacklisted IPs you will be good.

12-16-2003, 12:51 PM	#16
DamnGoodRatio Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: USA Posts: 855	I can't wait to see what spin-friendly new marketing word they come up with. Double-opt in, mass mailers, bulk mailing, etc.. are all already stigmatized. __________________ Obama Said: "We can absorb a terrorist attack."

12-16-2003, 01:57 PM	#22
icedemon Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Lutz, FL Posts: 1,022	When was spam ever illegal (except for certain states)??? The reasons for hosts not allowing spam, is because they don't want their ips put on a blacklist. It never had to do with it being illegal, because it never has been (except for a few states). Having a hosts ip put on a blacklist has nothing to do with the laws and government. __________________ Clips4Sale.com

12-21-2003, 01:45 PM	#23
bproof Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 13	we have solid bullet proof hosting available (including adult). ICQ me on 284947048 Jeff

12-21-2003, 01:52 PM	#24
Ross Ik ben een aap Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Traffic Force Towers, Canada! Posts: 18,874	SPAM sucks donkey dick. A few big companies are spamming me right now. I am gonna e-mail them about it and if it doesn't stop then I will simply shame the fuckers on here.

12-21-2003, 01:59 PM	#25
gin Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 672	well... ya they signed the bill.. but what difference will that make for the hosting companies? the only reason they don't host people right now is from black lists.. you get your own ips and any host will host you and put up with complaints for a while until upstream bitches.. so how would mailing make any difference? spamhaus.org rules state "if these are opt in emails you should NOT use a remove link, they should not remove themselves if they opted in to recieve this" but on the bush shit it says opositite.. so spamhaus will still block your mail and the hostings ip.. nothing really changed

12-21-2003, 02:04 PM	#26
fsfaz Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Hollyweird, CA Posts: 747	I remember back in the old days when Cyberpromo "Spamford Wallace" was around, the backbone agis.net would actually promote that they allowed spam. I had a half rack with them and a few mbps. Was nice while it lasted. I have a feeling backbones won't be advertising it like this again no matter what laws exist. It's all going to be on the "Hush, Hush and on the QT" if so.

12-21-2003, 04:12 PM	#27
ronbotx Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,634	You can bet SpamHaus , SpamCop, SPEWS and anti-spam software vendors will LOVE the US I-CAN-SPAM law. Since it is illegal to hide behind proxies, forged headers and since you have to LABEL porn/adult SPAM and include a VALID company mailing address, spamming scumbags and their hosts will be blacklisted, tracked and blocked quite easily. The hosts that decide to take spammer money will find themselves on their own intranet. I suggest all those whose want to scrub their email and route the crap to the trash where it belongs .... check out http://spampal.org for a great freeware filter that uses all the blocklists and Regex filter COMBINED.