Heh...

All debates aside - nice gallery work (checked your sig). Sent you an email.

Nothing like a nice heated back and forth before doing business.

Punkworld, you're way too young for me :Graucho but based on this post, I'd fuck ya! ;)

When I was 16 I got involved with a 23-year-old. We are friends to this day. I was (relatively) mature for my age; it was totally a mutual involvement (if anything, I pursued him).

I think that working in this business, a lot of us get perverted (naw!) ideas about sex. Sometimes it's actually about the intimacy between two people, and outside the realm of contracts.

I wouls assume most of us did fuck a 16 year old when we were 16. I fucked a 14 year old when I was 14.

But now the idea of fucking a girl that young still crosses my mind when I see them in the Mall, they all try to dress like Britney Spears. Thinking about it and doing it are different things.

Give me an experienced mid 20s girls anytime, a girl who knows her way around in bed. I want to get fucked in bed not giving lessons. :1orglaugh

Half-GFY wanna fuck a girl....


BTW... it's not illegal here to fuck 16yo girls :)

Cody, I can see where you are coming from, being a father of a 16 yr old yourself. I can.

However, I hate to be the one to break the news to you, but pedophiles aren't looking for young women in their later teens. That's not what pedophilia is. Cops consider the older guys who are looking for 14 yr olds, 10 yr olds, 8 yr olds or younger, as pedophiles. You seem to be trying to stretch the realm of pedophilia to include anyone under the age of 18, and that simply isn't how society sees it. Sorry. Like Eros has been trying to tell you all day, it is the age of consent laws that have the final say in what's what.

You as a father certainly have a right to get all bent out of shape at some guy if he's involved with your daughter, but what about your daughter's feelings? I've seen it before..... a younger girl of 17-18ish having a sexual relationship with a 43 yr old. I knew this couple about 10 years ago, they had been together (in that special way) for 4 years already when I met them. Basically her dad put them through hell, but in the end... guess what? That's right.... they are together. From what I remember, she eventually had enough of her dad's interference, told him to fuck off and she moved out on her own.

Now, you can put yourself in their place and say you'd call the cops on him, put him in jail, nail him with statutory rape, whatever..... but sometimes when you do that you end up losing your daughter all together, forever. I have seen THAT happen as well. I suppose sometimes a dad just has to trust that he brought his daughter up the best he could and leave it at that, and hope she does the right thing, makes the right choices.

AND...this post has nothing to do with "rationalizing" anything bro. It has to do with the fact that not every issue is as cut & dried/black & white as you seem to want it to be. As I said on page one of this thread, there are certain circumstances that tend to become "the exception", and what it all boils down to is this....... shit happens. Hopefully not to YOUR daughter, but it does happen. Sometimes it is the older guy's fault and hopefully those guys get what they deserve...... but sometimes the girl is mature for her age and is exercising her right to see who she wants, and in some of those cases there isn't a damn thing daddy can do about it.


Lastly, not everyong taking the poll was thinking the way you said, that they would fuck the 16 yr old "<i>because she's 16</i>"..... for many of the webmasters here it wasn't all that long ago that they were in that age bracket and dating 16-17 yr old girls anyway. I believe most guys out in a mall or at a park think similar things, one being that "the crop of high-school girls get hotter-looking every year".... I've heard that said a lot over the years actually. I don't yell "Pedophile!" every time I hear it. You are assuming the worst in all the "yes" people, and that simply isn't right.

But like I said, I can see and empathize with where you're coming from, you being a dad.

CD Smith,

Just finished up chores for tmrw and checked this before heading for bed. Very nice post, and I read everything you said and appreciate the time you put into it.

I do understand where the term pedophilia truly applies. I was pretty pissed earlier - it's true I wouldn't generally think of a guy who fucked a 16 year old as a pedophile. More of a lowlife asshole. :)

It is true that I view all of this through the viel of being a dad. Let me clarify - we don't run some kind of draconian spy satellite discipline on our daughter. However, we are familiar with her as a person. And we have occassion to observe a lot of girls her age by virtue of meeting her friends. And I have to say, our observation is, generally, no matter how mature these girls act, they are still not adults.

They are busy becoming adults. Trying to learn how to be women, what's right and wrong. Very busy finding themselves, defining themselves, figuring out what they stand for, etc, etc.

And an older guy inserting himself into this process, because he wants some pussy and girls that age are generally 'wowed' by the fact he's older - is truly repellant to me.

I think there IS a point where someone becomes an adult, and no, it's not just defined by age. But I do think it's specific. And I think anyone who is an adult can agree, and remember where they hit that point themselves. For me, it was the first time I couldn't pay my electric bill and the electric company turned off my lights. I remember sitting there in the dark, going, "Wow, they actually did it." And I toughened up, right then and there. I wasn't a kid anymore. I'd experienced tougher times before, but not when it was ME running the ship. I realized my ship could sink, fast. A small thing, but it was a wake up call that changed me for good.

And I don't see that in most 16 year old girls we've met.

Taking your comment re: the crop of high school girls getting hotter... when I observe what I just stated above, I just can't get my wits around that kind of thought process. I mean, fine, they aren't children - but they just aren't adults. It's just not possible for me to see them that way.

If you've crossed that line where you are an adult, you recognize it in others (at least, I think so) and you shouldn't be fucking someone who isn't there yet.

The absolute best example, to me, is from the movie 'American Beauty'. He's hot through the movie for his daughter's friend, and his daughter's friend talks the talk. But then he has that moment of clarity where he sees it the way it really is... she wasn't a woman, and what he was doing was wrong.

I think that that is going to be the truth, 8 times out of 10, and I think any guy who doesn't respect that when it's true is a piece of shit, and is just following the dictates of his cock.

Heading for bed - all of the above just my 2 cents. As I said, I appreciate the comments.

That's really sick most sheap are dead at 16, so that means you have to start foreplay with a shovel...:(

Maybe if she was 16 and a half. :glugglug

I dated a 16-almost 17 yr old guy when I was 18 but he lied about his age, he told me he was 17. his parents knew and didn't care. The cops knew too and did not care. Perhaps they did not care because I was female and not the other way around?

The cops found out because my ex was a gangbanger (back then) and got arrested for conspiracy for murder and they pulled us over on the freeway and interrogated both of us for hours with no attorneys present. They did ask him briefly why he was dating an older girl and he replied "because I'm a mack". The cops were more concerned about his criminal activities, they could have cared less that I was older. My ex went to jail for almost 7 yrs and he was tried as an adult, I doubt the cops thought that I actually took advantage of him, more like the other way around, even though he was younger.

This was over 7 years ago, btw. He's out now.

Sounds like necro-beastility to me... heh
:1orglaugh

I only fuck 50+ year old bitches

Cody --

You must remember though... not all 16 yr olds come from the same upbringing as your daughter and her friends are from.


And when young girls wear their bikinis at the park in the spring and show off their "playboy" tits it's pretty hard for anyone not to look a little and at least admire the view. Of course the odd comment about "the new crop of young-uns" is going to be heard from time to time.


Like I said, this issue isn't as black-and-white as you'd like to have it. People are only human after all.... some younger girls seem to seek out older men, and some of those older men are hard-pressed to resist in certain circumstances.


Of course you're right that some guys are just plain scum-sucking turds that will take advantage of any situation no matter what the resulting dammage is.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

:thumbsup

If the girl is hot, I'd hit it :Graucho

no its not
some on this board are 13
i can understand their wishes to fuck a 16yo
you know ? :)

Hell yeah.

Alot of 16yo hotties around here !!

:glugglug

I know a few 16 year old girls, just talk general shit about life basically, nothing else.

if i was 16 - but that's the only way.

I did a lot of times.It absolutely legal in CZech rep so its no problem.
I have 12 virgins in my records

Thats nasty

100 FUCKING PEDOS EXCEPT ME

Its legal in our country but I don't if I would. She'd have to be really hot and mature.

At the age I'm at now no, simply because I don't find them attractive. I've yet to meet a 16yr old emotionally mature enough for me these days - and to me sex is not just a physical thing. But were I younger, were she very mature for her age etc etc. FAR too many IF's and as has been said it's far from being black and white. 16 is legal here no matter what the age of the other person.

As has been said SOME 14/15/16 yr olds ARE mature enough to decide, while some 22 year olds aren't. But, there has to be a cut off line somewhere and 16 is as good an age as any for much of the world. Obviously the lower down the age range you go the smaller the % who are mature enough to make that decision and the opposite is true the other way - however to say the age is the same for every person from an emotional standpoint is plain daft at best.

Oh and for those still confused - pedos aren't after pubescent girls/women. People seem to be very confused about that point.

Here is a quote for the uneducated sheep here:



The American Psychiatric Association defines Pedophilia:

A pedophile is a person who over at least a 6 month period has recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (age 13 years or younger). The fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning. The person is at least age 16 years and at least 5 years older than the child or children. Not to include an individual in late adolescence involved in an ongoing sexual relationship with a 12 or 13 year old (straight or gay). Individuals with pedophilia generally report an attraction to children of a particular age range. Some individuals prefer males, others prefer females, and some are aroused by both males and females. Pedophila involving female victims is reported more than pedophilia involving male victims.

Good post Lane.

People get so many things confused within these issues, and I'm not sure why. They confuse doing content with having sex in private, they confuse morality with law, and they are confused about the definition of what pedophilia is. So much confusion, it makes me wonder about the effectiveness of the public education system.

I was 17 when I had a kid and the mother was 16. I am 23 now and would not sleep with a 16 year old I have found that most 18 year olds arn't mature enuff to have sex with. You must show I.D to be with fury....:2 cents:

Sure i would. But can do that here.

I'm inclined to agree with the technical definition given there... and I qualified my remarks early on this subject.

Note however that the straight dictionary definition is simply an adult who has sex with a child. This has probably become more of a 'colloquialism' - leading to someone with my views calling adults who have sex with 16 year olds 'pedophiles' in a moment of anger. Eg, an adult who preys on a child.

Not to mention the fact that the point was strongly made earlier by others than myself that age is apparently less of a factor than maturity, environment, etc - so it seems strange for people to jump on the 'age definition' bandwagon now.

I don't think there was any confusion between morality and law, CD. The discussion was on 'would you' as per the original poll - making it a moral issue, and up for grabs on debate. Just because something is legal doesn't make it right - and vice versa. EG, gay marriages, anal sex is still illegal in some places.

This was always a discussion about morality, the law was brought up by proponents of this concept, not by it's opponents. Certainly not by me.

My opinion remains unchanged, and it's certainly not due to a lack of understanding between the nuances of legality vs. morality.

YOU ARE GAY!

One final point I will make:

I have my own fixed ideas regarding the age of 16. MANY disagree with me on this.

However, please realize that all of you (at least I hope so) have the exact same fixed standard. You just have a different age barrier than I do.

If the original poll had been entitled - would you have sex with a 14 year old, I'm sure many would have responded as being appalled, as I did with this one.

Posters could come back saying "But some 14 year olds look older, act older, are more mature..." and would have gotten shot down as I did.

Why wouldn't the same arguements apply? Remembering that this is a moral debate.

Couldn't those same arguements be used to justify sex with a 14 year old?

I'm not saying this to slap anyone in the face - just trying to put them in my shoes. I have the same perspective about 16 year olds that most probably have about 13 or 14 year olds.

I honestly think some 14 year olds are ready. Probably less than one in a million, but some, yes. At 15, that group will have grown, at 16 even more, still more at 17, etc. Maturing is a process, which some go through faster than others.

man you are a fucking retard.

you are telling me that if a 22 year old guy fucks a 16 year old girl that he is an "Osama supporting, piss drinking, shitbird fucktard" amoung other things...

what about the 40 year old who spends hundreds if not thousands of dollars at the local bar to nail some 19 year old waitress/bartender/bar-goer.

incase your math skills arent much better then your logic...

22 - 16 = 6
40 - 19 = 21

more then 3 times the age difference.... and i bet that 19 year old is soooo much more mature and competent then her 16 year old counterpart.

yet you would be the first to crucify the 22 year old for being a pedo.

personally, what two people do behind closed doors is no ones fucking business.

unless one is clearly taking advantage of the other...

which, to be honest, it is alot easier for a 40 year old to play on the heartstrings of a 19 year old, then a 20something year old guy banging the high school slut.

:321GFY

You obviously haven't read all the posts, so I won't bother replying.

You're embarrassing yourself.

Exactly!

Oh, as a side note :

22-12 = 10
40-19 = 21

So... it's more acceptable, with your math, for a 22 year old to fuck a 12 year old than for a 40 year old to be a 19 year old?

I doubt you think so, but the example is a summation of all the points your post missed, and the entire theme of my various posts.

We're not talking about 19 year olds... we're talking about 16 year olds. That's what the thread is about - do you want me to Hellen Keller it for ya?

:321GFY

Maybe not by yourself, but I believe it was someone named pamphage who did put up a few posts which led me to wonder about his possible confusion. But in issues such as this one people are always going to point out the legal limits as well as discuss the moral aspects, and very often the two are vastly apart with some, not so much with others.


I will go so far as to say that adults in their early-to-mid-20's and older having a sexual relationship with a 16 yr old is usually, almost always, morally wrong. There have been and will be instances when it isn't, however. And part of my point was that sometimes, whether it is or isn't morally wrong, whether the parents of the adolescent like it or not, it happens. I can certainly see where it would suck big time being the dad in such a scenario.