This is really stupic. Kinda like asking...would you steal a car? would you deal drugs? etc etc

How do you know if it was the right decision???
I think you're just trying to convince your self that you didn't miss out on something amazin :glugglug

And for the question, 16 year old, sure, if she was pretty and not too imature

I wasn't twisting your words, I was taking you AT your word. Next time maybe be more specific in just who you are flying your insults at then, sound like a plan?


And I agree, in most instances where a way older person is having a sexual relationship with a way younger person who is in their mid-teens it is pretty disgusting, especially from the father's perspective. Yet, how many dads have been enticed by their daughter's hot young friends, or the babysitter?...... lots. Like I said before, I wasn't commenting on the morality aspect, the question was... WOULD you?

Most people's answer, according to the poll, seems to be in line with "under certain circumstances, yes, it could happen". That is all.

My reply had nothing to do with the 'lawyerese' of the poll.

It had everything to do with bare truths and morality. You can cloak it anyway you want, and come up with special situations. You can make yourself feel better by examing all the commas, and demand exact specific, correct wordings that satisfy contractual fine print.

BAH to all of that.

My point is this - the majority of those who answer 'yes' are not saying they would fuck a 16 year old because she looks 18. Or because it's legal. Or because of 'special circumstances.'

They are saying they would fuck her BECAUSE she's 16.

If you think differently, you are welcome to continue in that fantasyland. But that is what it's about, and is the reason I find it objectionable.

It's like that article about all the pedos who beat off to the remake of 'Lolita'. The point was made - hey, they're actually jacking off to an 18 year old - after all, it was a double who did the sex scenes, right?

Just double think rationalization. They were beating off to an underage girl in their minds, and that was the draw.

No different here. No less disgusting.

Yeah if the girl looks more like 17-18 I'm 18

Strange... Ok, i am a lil older now and dont think i would start something with a girl that age, but when i was 21 i had a realtionship with a 16 year old. (lasted 6 years by the way).
And now i have to learn that was the same like stealing cars or selling drugs.

To be honest, even a 16 year old doing porn wont realy bother me . I think that is to young, 18 is a reasonable borderline - not only for Porn. A lot of countries have no problem with sending 16 year olds into war. That is something i have a problem with.

I am NOT Osama supporting.

Oh, i get your point here.

Okay let's get some things sorted out...there's been some funny shit posted on this thread.

Someone saying that they wouldn't find a 16 year old attractive.

Another trying to jump into the minds of those who voted yes in the poll that they would fuck a 16 year old.

cody you're screaming a little too loud to be believed....sorry buddy but it's those who scream the loudest who have the most to hide.

soul rebel...nothing wrong with finding a 16 year old attractive. Damn I think you would have had to be dead to not find Brittney Spears attractive when she first hit the scene and she was only 16 then. However acting upon that attraction if you're more than 3-4 years older IMO would be wrong.

The youngest girl I ever dated as an "Older man" was when I was 30 and she was 19.

Hell I didn't know she was 19, she looked older. She worked for the water department and was a regular lunch customer of mine.

Anyway, when I found out she was 19 from others *very small town* after I had asked her out I was a bit concerned about the age difference and my fears were realized when I went ahead with the date.

We had absolutely NOTHING in common. Not saying she wasn't "mature" for her age. She was, but her reference point in life was still somewhat revolved around her friends who were either still in highschool, or just got out of highschool.

A lot of people fail to realize for thousands of years guys were marrying girls younger than 16. Adolescence in our society is still a fairly new thing. You were a child or an adult not in between. And in a lot of societies once you hit 12 or 13 you were no longer a child.

Sure things were different then, people more than likely were forced to mature at an earlier age and now that we've spent the last 100 years allowing children to be children you couldn't expect some 13 year old boy to go out and start his own life or 13 year old girl to go out and start her own family.

Anyway the original question is/was "would you fuck a 16 year old?"

Yes anywhere up to when I was 19, 20 maybe but is pushing it...and what people have to realize is that there are a number of 18-25 year olds on this board so for them to say they would fuck a 16 year old isn't too far off base.

But now at 37, I'd fuck anything 18 and up...but as far as relationships go I doubt I would date anyone younger than 25.

B

"cody you're screaming a little too loud to be believed....sorry buddy but it's those who scream the loudest who have the most to hide."

Your comment would imply that anyone who comes out against sex with minors is in fact, a pedophile, and should keep their mouth shut.

This is an age old tactic. When someone is outraged (as I was) it's not unusual for someone to use the line you used above.

It's taught in every offensive PR class in every college in the country, and is an age old, effective way to poo poo those with the loudest voices.

It's a great way to imply that the original speaker is, in fact, the criminal, and is not credible as they PROBABLY are involved in the thing they protest.

It is generally used by supporters/purveyors of the very thing being protested.

Did I hit the mark?

Yes, I yell loud and long at a bunch of adults sitting here calmly rationalizing how it's acceptable to fuck underage girls.

Always have, always will.

I guess we just have different values.

50

I have and will again. Pussy is tight and fresh..:thumbsup

50 what?? im disappointed by your appallingly mundane use of the top of the 2nd page thread.

at least say something annoying and offensive like, "50 pedos."

LOL you accuse me of something and then try and use the same "tactic" to turn it on me.

Keep screaming loud we'll all believe you.

:1orglaugh

I don't know what went wrong in your upbringing, but most of us don't fuck someone BECAUSE they're of a certain age. They fuck someone because they are attracted to that person.

There are always "special circumstances" when it comes to sex. You don't just walk up to someone in a grocery store and jump them, there's usually a situation, mutual interest, flirting, mutual attraction, conversation etc.

Personally, yes, I'd fuck a 16 year old. IF that 16 year old was sexy, intelligent, intellectually mature, erudite and shared my interests. Then again, I'd also fuck a 36 year old who fit that profile.
Hell, I'll even go as far as to say that if I met a 12 year old who fit that profile, I'd fuck her. Ofcourse, chances of that happening are 0%, but still. On the other hand, if I met a 120 year old who fit that description, I'd also happily do her.

Age is just a number; it doesn't really tell you much. I'm 21 myself, yet I wouldn't fuck most 21 year olds because I find them emotionally immature. Ofcourse, that's the case with even more 16 year olds, so there are a lot more 16 year olds I wouldn't fuck.

The point of all this? Personally, I fuck people regardless of age, not because of age. I think that goes for most people.

My point exactly.

I was brought up not have sex with children. I think most people were.

*shrug*

Since you are the one who started this thread, I think it's clear where you're coming from.

As for anyone going 'golly gee whiz, he sure is UPTIGHT about this whole fucking 16 year olds thing...' If you think that, I'm probably wasting my breath anyway, so don't worry about trying to figure it out too much.

We're just on different ends of the solar system when it comes to a moral compass, so it's highly unlikely we'd ever understand each other.

Legal age in Denmark is 15 :)

No you idiot...it's not your point...you were being hypocritical.

You are the one with the irrational beliefs...the extremes.. no middle ground.

You are the one screaming at the top of your lungs accusing the webmasters here of wanting to bang 16 year olds without knowing all the facts...some of the people here are only 18 years old and some are older.

LIke I said keep screaming at the top of your lungs it only makes you more believable.

:eek7



I voted yes. Of course, this isnt to say I'm prowling the high schools, BUT if i did happen to somehow meet a girl who was physically mature, emotionally mature, and had a super personality (and of course, was hot)...sure, why not? Just because she's 16? blah. I'd defintely have to think twice about it, from a law standpoint.

17 I'd nail without even thinking about it 3 times.

Besides, ALOT of 16-17yr old girls are mentally YEARS ahead of the 16 & 17yr olds when you were in high school





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You should've quoted the "0% chance of that" as well, ofcourse.
Well, unless you know a nice 12 year old with big tits who lives by herself, has finished high school, is preferably in college or has finished it, and is mentally more mature than the average 18 year old.

k, it's not attractiveness that is the pulling factor here - although, it's the head turner. If she's attractive AND mature - i.e. she carries herself well, then maybe it would cross my mind. I haven't decided if I would or not yet though, she'd have to be something pretty special.

It doesn't seem to be all too clear to you.

You think this is about children? So, in your mind, there's a magical border at 18 at which everyone suddenly reaches adulthood mentally and emotionally?

Some 16 year olds are more mature than some 22 year olds, that's a fact.

What I meant by - proved my point is - didn't feel too good to have it turned around on you, did it? You may or may not be someone who has sex with minors. So yes - my point exactly.

And you are correct, there is no middle ground for me when it comes to adults have sex with 16 year olds. That you understood perfectly.

Re: us not seeing eye to eye on that - see earlier post. We'll never see eye to eye on it.

I understand you want a rationalization. That is extremely clear.

Now, I will draw back and say - no, I'm not accusing you of being a pedophile.

I will say this - the arguement you just gave is one commonly used by adults who like to have sex with 12-16 year olds. The self same adults who aren't interested in a girl when she turns 18.

I attacked on intent. Are there ever special circumstances? Sure. I gave an example of one - a guy dates my daughter, he was 17 when they started dating. If he turns 18, am I going to make them stop seeing each other? Obviously not.

But as I said earlier, it's highly doubtful that's what this thread is about. This thread is about guys looking to rationalize away their desire to fuck chicks in high school.

Are you REALLY going to sit here, on GFY of all places, and tell me that the average attraction to a 16 year old by someone who thinks that way is her MATURITY? The day I believe that is the day you can sell me the Brooklyn Bridge.

Please...

Hell I fucked many 16 year olds back in the day!

I was only 15 !

I wouldn't cuz I wouldn't be legal, now if I was a few years younger and it was legal, yes if she was attractive!

jDoG

You apparently got it all wrong.

The reason it's about 16 year olds and not about another age is that at 16, most girls start going out to the "real" clubs. Now, these girls don't look 16... most of them look 18-21. If you go to a club and pick up a random 18 year old, she may well be either 16 or 24.

The guys that pick up these girls aren't pedophiles. They're interested in young women, not children. And the problem is just that - many of these girls are in fact young women, not children. They have the same maturity as the average 18 year old... which in all honesty isn't all that much. Then again, the same can be said for the guys in their early twenties that pick up that type of girls.

It's legal where I am and I would do it and have done it

I can appreciate what you are saying. I have a 16 year old daughter - I've met her friends, and my wife and I have raised our eyebrows at each other about a few of them. Nice girls, but trying to be grown up too fast.

I don't really feel the poll covers this, though. It pretty baldly asks, would you fuck a 16 year old, and it implies knowledge of it. I simply think it's wrong. I realize I come off pretty vehement about it, but my feelings on the subject aren't casual.

Personally, I see a trend in this society that I find very disturbing, on this exact subject. My daughter complains about walking by the gardners at her school - at her SCHOOL for fuck's sake - and how they'll whistle at her and her friends, wiggle their eyebrows and so on. These are guys in their mid twenties or older. And they are doing it right on the school grounds, apparently with no concept that what they are doing is fucking wrong. I've complained to the school about it - but with no proof...

It makes her feel very uncomfortable. So I see the direct effects of this kind of permissive thinking on my own child. It's not theoretical to me. She looks or acts older isn't an excuse for her not BEING older.

Nothing wrong with a guy glancing once or twice at your daughter (and her friends), but, if it becomes to the point where it's harassing her, then that's WAY out of line.

I mean, I'll glance at a hot teen wearing tight clothes or showing alot of skin (who doesn't), but I certainly wont' OGGLE her or catcall her. If she's interested, she will let you know. Then you can flirt back with her. But, if a girl is just going about her business, then you have to acknowlege that she's "just a teen" and have to give her that respect.

No man you just don't get it. You didn't turn it around on me...it didn't phase me one bit. I found it rather stupid and hypocritical.

You say there is no seeing eye to eye on this...the simple fact is I already stated I would NOT fuck a 16 year old.

What once again you are not getting is you coming off with this half cocked attitude about what you think is going on in other people's minds.

As has been pointed out on this thread and what you can't quite grasp is that:

1. 16 is legal in some places.

2. History has shown older men marrying females younger than 16, and this concept of protecting them now is roughly about 100 years old.

3. People mature at different ages.

4. The ages of webmasters answering this poll range from 18+ so you can't just assume they are all "dirty old men."

5. You apparently wish to push your values on others.

What it boils down to "IF 16 IS LEGAL WHERE YOU RESIDE" is a moral issue...and sorry but that is not for you to decide.

If it were then it would be for others to decide what I can watch on t.v., listen to on the radio, or view on the internet.

From the girl's point of view:

I knew several girls when I was in grades 9 and 10 who were dating older guys -- much older guys. Christine was 14 when she starting dating a 22 year old. Granted, she led a very fucked up life, but she still did it. By the time she was 16 she had had threesomes and everything, but she was still dating the same guy. Katie dated a 21 year old when she was 16. The other Christine didn't "date" per se, but sure did get around, if you know what I mean. She got into clubs all the time with that gambit. The rest of us straight-and-narrow girls knew it wasn't quite right, but we didn't think it was illegal or anything. Just that the guys shouldn't be dating someone that much younger, and the girls should't be trying to grow up so fast. But of course we were all jealous about the sexual adventures. :)

I guess my point is that messing around with a 16 year old girl isn't neccessarily corrupting some young catholic schoolgirl (see hentai movies for reference). Many girls by that age are quite ready to be sexually active, and are searching out males who are mature enough to turn them on, and often 16 year old males are too shy and/or absorbed in skating/drugs/cars to take notice.

First of all - the concept is 100 years old because people started living longer. The average life span of a woman used to be 40 years old - and child birth was the highest cause of death. Times have changed - come into the 21rst century.

Second of all - as far as pushing my values and it being for me to decide - it's called stating my opinion on a public board, which I did. On a subject I have strong opinions on. Your comment on this is ludicrous - as what I am doing is no different than what you are doing.

That's right, it is a moral issue. And I've stated my views on the morality of it. As far as 'dirty old men' go, as far as I'm concerned, if you are 21 or older and looking to fuck 16 year olds, you are a fucked up loser.

Your last 'example' is silly. One is you reading, watching, or listening. The other is you doing something with another person - in this case, a 16 year old. Total apples and oranges, and completely disrelated. I have only two keywords when it comes to what adults (note the keyword there 'Adults') do: adult, and consent. And both have to be present. As long as what is happening involves consenting adults, I don't care what you do.

The moment either of those two words drops out of the equation, then that is where Society steps in, correctly.

Lastly, when I give a shit about 'phasing you', I'll let you know. I was making a point, the point was made, and my reply remains 'my point exactly.'

Elli,

Thanks for chiming in. And just so no one thinks I'm living in a bell jar on this, my wife has communicated similar stories to me from when she was a teen.

And there aren't many catholic schoolgirls where we live. :)

My view is still that just because the girls are looking, doesn't mean that the older guys should be providing.

Yes, I totally agree. I think that any guy over 18 who finds a 16 year old girl to be good date-material is dating her because he isn't confident enough to date women his own age, and/or he's still stuck with a high-school mentality and is probably still living at home, living the high school life. In any case, he needs to grow up and hang around people his own age.

My point was that the girl isn't always some prey to be chased, as the question somewhat implied. The girls are often quite willing, and are often even more predatory than the guys.

I just had a thought...

candy...you have made ZERO points..other than that you still wish to continue to push your values on others.

My last example is not "silly," and is not comparing apples to oragnges...because as I stated in #1 *which apparently comprehension is just not one of your skills* is that 16 is *LEGAL* in some places which doh! implies the ability to give CONSENT!. Which is why doh! They call it the "age of consent."

So now here we are. You have 2 people who can legally give consent to having sex. One is 16 and depending upon the law *varies from state to state* one is either a few years older to many years much older...but the key thing is nothing *ILLEGAL* is going on as both parties can give CONSENT.

You trying to pair ADULT AND CONSENT together just does not fit into the equation because once again the age of consent laws vary from state to state in some cases you have to pass that magical barrier that someone established for adulthood 18...others you do not.

Something you might deem *IMMORAL* is going on.

So quit being so angry at yourself for looking at some 16 year old long enough to fully understand what is being said here.

Since it is *LEGAL* in some places then you're simply judging some people on a moral level which does apply to everything I have listed. Watching my legal *but immoral in some people's eyes* t.v. shows. Listening to my legal *but immoral in some people's eyes* cd's while viewing legal *but immoral in some people's eyes* porn on the net.

You don't like guys banging 16 year olds. Then I suggest you work on getting the laws changed that allow a 16 year old * and in some cases younger* male/female the ability to give consent at that age instead of spending your time on GFY worrying about phasing me.

eros,

Nice try, but the 'adult' end of it is still missing. And I already stated that there was most definately a morality question in there. No doubt.

Anyway, it's important to you to defend the concept of adults banging 16 year olds. And that's moral to you.

Knock yourself out. I think I made my points, and as addictive as this back and forth is (not being sarcastic, board posting is like crack), I really have to get some stuff done around the house, as we have family coming tomorrow.

So get another post up, keep defending that ideal, and you'll get to have the last word.

My gift to you - because I know it'll be important to ya.

Merry Xmas!

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