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50 blackjacks

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bhutocracy

sounds great! when are you thinking of heading to the treasury? im probably only going to be up there for the weekend, so prolly either saturday night or sunday day.

Ash@phpFX

probably not saturday night, as ill be drinking, and if you are trying to win, playing blackjack drunk is not a good idea

ytcracker

amen to that sir

i hate gambling drunk it seems to cut my iq and/or money in half

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Ash@phpFX

lol, but the thing is.... i dont gamble

Chasing The Dragon

1). Because counting cards gives you the mathmatical advantage over the casino. And the casino cannot allow this, as it has to have the mathmatical advantage over EVERY game (or, in time, they would go out of business). If you take away their advantage by counting cards and they catch you, they will throw you out and put you on a ban list (with your picture) that gets distributed to all the other casinos, so if you walk into a casino and they recognize you, you might be allowed in, and even play, but not on any blackjack table.
2). Very few (maybe 5-10) make a living just playing blackjack. And what they do is sit down at a $5.00 table, and play when the dealer is cold (losing more than winning). They win 2-3 hands, get up, and wait until another dealer goes cold. They do this 10-15 hours a day, and if they are good, will make about $100-$200 a day. But then they have days where they lose, and they end up cleaning dishes for the casino to get some money to go and play again. A very shitty way to live.
BTW, like it was said before, the #1 card counter is banned from playing blackjack in every casino in the U.S. (and prob. the world). So the best can't even play. The #1 craps player in the world went on a 42 day winning streak and racked up about 10 million. He lost it all in about 12 days. No matter what you do, you cannot beat the house. Unless you cheat. But then you go to jail and get butt-fucked by Bubba. That is why Vegas casinos move $10-30 million CASH from their vault to the bank every DAY.

Ash@phpFX

uhhh. i know, look who i quoted, i was asking rhetorical questions to someone who was just making stupid statements.

and there are a hell of a lot more people that 5-10 making a living there are literally thousands around the world, and they arent doing it on the $5 tables lol, playing 30 hours a week with the rules at my local on the $10 tables = $19000 per year, not enough to live off, they are doing it on the 50, 100 and over 100 tables, and they arent just doing it for a few hands. that wouldnt work, they are doing it for hours, you acnt just pick and choose hands, it garuntees nothing.

also the number 1 counter isnt banned from anywhere, if you are banned from everywhere you are one of the worst counters in the world. One of the most important skills in being a card counter is not getting banned.

and about the craps player, as i have said previously, craps is a negative expectation game, in the long run, you will always loose. and if you define #1 as someone who has a lucky streak, well then thats just stupid.

please dont talk about things you obviously have no knowledge of, there are lots of people making a living off blackjack, and they arent doing it on the $5 tables.

GeXus

Ok everyone here are a bunch of n00bs...

This is all you need to know...

1) Stay on 12 or lower (dont risk busting)

2) Double down if you show 3-9

4) Increase your bet by $5 each time..


You will always win

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bhutocracy

I didn't really want to drive to brisvegas saturday night anyways, but I figured you wouldn't be up for it on sunday day. It's no biggy, I might just hit jupiters and lose a bunch

Ash@phpFX

we can hit it sunday if you like, or ill come to jupiters, the rules are the same at the two casinos, so it wont matter too much. im going to memorise the basic strategy on the plane trip over, icq me 18502614 and ill get a copy for you too

makefuckingmoney

I got banned from playing black jack at all the coast properties in vegas..

Orleans, Barbary Coast, Sun Coast, Gold Coast..

It was quite the accomplishment!!

I said.. "do you think im counting cards?"

he said.. "you said that..not me.."

I did quite well at times..its all about the double downs and splits and a bundle of luck..

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bawdy

the treasury is like a second home to me... i like it there... pity the meet up is on the coast...

AWW - Kevin

what's the big deal soming to the gold coast? it's only 45 minutes man

was at the treasury last week, did not have a good run
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erehwon

Try the Plaza on Fremont Street, they have penny slots.

But don't stay there, its a shithole, if yer going to stay in downtown Las Vegas, always stay at Steve Wynn's first place, The Golden Nugget.

GonePhishing

Vary your bets too. You'll eventually lose everything if you bet the same amount. Start with a certain number. If you lose bump the bet up by five. Eventually, you will win some of the loss back if you modestly increase per hand on loses.

Second, when winning do not be afraid to press your bet. The way you are really going to win at blackjack is to catch a good run where you are getting paid on high bets.

I find that when I play, I my profits are made usually from two shoes that I caught good runs on and was not afraid to double up on. Of course you will get burned for a stack or two during the run. As long as that same stack you lost produced a few wins it is okay to let it go.

Always... No matter what split 8's. Even if the dealer has a face card. I have never lost splitting 8's (meaning both hands). I always double down on 11's not matter what.

Double down, split, and have a betting system.

If you don't vary your bet, press when winning, double down, and split... You will lose your money slowly over the course of the night.

Why would I know about betting? I'm asian!

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stocktrader23

There is more bullshit in this post than all the rest of GFY at the moment.

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GonePhishing

You think that that is bullshit? Why?

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stocktrader23

a) You start bumping your losses $5 a pop and see how fast you can drop thousands.

b) You've never lost on both hands splitting 8's? How many hands have you played 5?

c) You don't have to vary your bet to win. Not saying it's good or bad, but I've won consistenly betting the same damn amount every hand. While most people choose to press up, (and I do have a strategy for that) I prefer flat bets. If you win $5 and lose $10 what good does it do? It pops the odds so far out of your favor you are screwed unless you bet more and more every hand.

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GonePhishing

Bumping by five in with a $20 bet in a set of 4 bets with one that you win is not going to lose thousands.

Many split 8 hands have I played. Many... I have never lost both. Not once.

If you don't vary your bet you are going to have a very slow grind all night until you are out of money. I'm not saying gamble in an insane up and down. I am saying if you don't bet more from time to time and hold on the same amount all night... You will eventually lose... Slowly but surely you will. The reason is they have a slight statistical advantage over you. If you don't get out ahead, and you bet the same... That statistical advantage they have will slowly tap you out.

But your response is understandable. I know many people that follow your school of thought. I am just posting what has worked for me. I'm not saying it will work for anyone else. Most of what I am saying goes by the same convention that strategy guides have too.

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stocktrader23

I've lost more than 4 hands in a row many, many times. I've also lost both hands when splitting 8's many times.

By the way, we played damn near every day for 6 months in 2001 and walked out losing once. The "slow grind" didn't catch me.

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GonePhishing

If you played every day in 2001 then you do in fact have much more experience and skill at the game. I am sure of that, so I will concede my my line of logic. You would definately know better than I would.

I have only played at the tables maybe 150 times in my life. Though, based on what I have experienced and watched. That is how I play. In that time I have come out losing on several occasions. The vast majority of the time I have won.

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stocktrader23

No, we played nearly every day for 6 months. Off and on after that. I've seen people press their bets and win but for a new player? I agree with you splitting 8's ever time, doubling on 11 etc. but I also know I've lost 15 hands in a row and there was nothing I could do. Pressing up can cost a fortune.

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GonePhishing

15 hands in a row? God damn dude... That is rough! Yeah, the pressing thing can get pricey, so I should restate it with press if you are already ahead and can take a burn.

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stocktrader23

Yes, I counted because I was in a tourney. I have a strategy I was playing with online and winning and I was going to use it for the tournament. Well, if you can't win 1 hand it doesn't work.

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GonePhishing

Lol... Yeah, I gues sometimes probability has strange pockets of luck with it. You play tournaments? I have always wanted to, but I'm never free when they are being offered around here

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stocktrader23

Only twice. $20 can win $1000 or more.

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Ash@phpFX

i know what you mean, hell i wouldnt be going if i didnt live in perth cause its right down the street you know

Ash@phpFX

assuming you are not counting:

you will eventually loose everything if you bet the same amount

TRUE, but, if you increase your bets, you will loose everything FASTER

splitting 8s is generally a good idea, in all the australian casinos you should always split 8s, but to say that you have never lost just means that you havent played many hands. also you should not double 11 against an ace.

you are right about needing a betting system, although using the one you described, is a big mistake. not only will you loose, but you will loose quickly, it just takes one bad run and you are stuffed. it also doent make sesne, because say you lost 10 hands in a row, starting at 5 and increasing 5 every time, your next bet would be $55 but you would have already lost $275. does this seem rediculous to you?

GonePhishing

No, but I never lost more than 8 hands in a row. Yes, I have had bad runs where that strategy had not worked. More times than not, winning a couple hands and catching a better run with that system has worked.

As I had posted earlier. That is what I do. I win most of the time. I am not a serious player. So, if you think that system is bad, then it probably is. No argument from me on the matter.

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GonePhishing

Oh, the other thing that I will say is... Watch who is playing at your table. Do not stay at a table where someone is playing insanely. Especially, watch third base. If the last person getting cards from the dealer is not a good player... LEAVE the table. The person who gets their cards last can fuck shit up if they are playing wildly.

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Ash@phpFX

this is one of the biggest myths out there. what other players do does not affect your odds at all, it is you vs the dealer.

you might remember that some guy hit and took the dealers bust card, but to make up for that there would have been someone that hit and stopped the dealer from beating you, but you wont remember that one. Its all a load of shit. at the end of the day it matters not.

GonePhishing

Okay man, I've happily conceded that the way I play is not going to work for some people... But one this one... There is no myth. If you are playing with completely insane folks... It does suck. The person who is at third base can seriously screw everyone else... I would argue with you one this one.

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ytcracker

ive heard countless times that position and shit doesnt really matter. it makes sense because if a deck is favorable anyway it doesnt matter if 3rd base is taking bust cards or not because the deck odds either carry more or less of them and position isnt a factor.

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Ash@phpFX

where you sit can make a difference, albeit small. third base is the best position because you get to see more cards before making a decision than anyone else, and as i have explained in a previous post, this provides a greater advantage.

what others do could be frustrating, but mathematically it doesnt make a difference.

lazycash

Agreed, but I sure want to clock that guy on third base who hits his 12 with a 5 showing and takes a 10 when I'm sitting on a 13 with a $300 bet and the dealer makes a hand instead of busting. I agree though, the times when a misplay helps can go easily forgotten whereas the ones that kill are remembered.

The most important aspect of winning blackjack that hasn't been discussed much here is betting strategy. I usually bet according to the count or if I'm playing online or unable to count I'll use a simple progressive based on units. Asher, do you have a specific method that you use most of the time?

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Always split... and always double down.

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Ack, I would not recommend that.

Double down if you can when the dealer has a breaking hand [showing 6 or under].

Ash@phpFX

my method is not set in stone, but i just bet according to the true count. it depends on the heat and the conditions also, id rather bet less one day and still be able to come back the next.

unfortunatley my local casino uses continuous shuffling machines which makes the game unbeatable, but when i go abroad, as i will be in january, i will probably use a 1-8, 1-10 or 1-12 spread. I will probably go with 1-12 in jan because im just visiting and hitting the casino for a short time.

TheSaint

I am always amazed at all of the bad strategy out there. Often, when playing blackjack I am harassed by other players for playing "badly" when in fact I am making the correct play.

1. There is no such thing as a dollar amount betting strategy, no such thing as a hot or cold deck. It does not matter when you bet $5 and when you bet $1,000. The only dollar amount betting strategy that is correct is what is called the "percentage of ruin" theory, i.e., never bet more than 5% of your bankroll or you face a decent chance of getting wiped out by a run of bad cards.

2. It makes zero difference if the other players on the table fuck up and play poorly, the cards do not have brains. I'd prefer to play with a table full of newbies.

3. For basic strategy read kenny Ustin's book, "Million Dollar Blackjack". Its more complex than you think, as you do need to memorize every single douple and splitting rule. Also that book is a little out of date and you must change your basic play slightly depending on where you are.

4. Understand surrender rules. That can save you big time.

5. Never take insurance, under any circumstance.

6. Finally, if you want to count, consider this. Its tough. If you play $50 a hand non-stop, you could make $50 an hour, in theory, if you play perfectly and count. Make two mistakes an hour, and you loose.

Many years agao I gave it a try, learned counting, and lost. For one the simplest countig schemes have low yields. For another, I just wasn't good at it.

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lazycash

I'm running into these continuous shufflers a lot more recently and wonder how much of a house advantage they are in comparison to a regular 6 or 8 deck shoe. I'm guessing they'd have to be a half or percentage point lower than an 8 deck shoe.

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FACTS ABOUT BLACKJACK.

Even if you play statistically perfect blackjack the house still has a slight edge.

Why then can some people make a living playing the game?

Because, unlike almost every other game of chance, blackjack has a memory. When you roll dice at craps, the craps table doesn't remember what was rolled before so if you roll craps 8 times in a row the odds of rolling craps the 9th time is no different than it would be if you hadn't rolled craps in 100 rolls.

With blackjack however, if a bunch of face cards are dealt, the odds of face cards coming in the future actually changes, because you don;t reshuffle the deck after every hand.

Because of this laziness on the side of the casino (COst effective laziness, no one would play blackjack if you had to shuffle after everyhand, it would take too long) the player can gain a slight edge.

By betting small when the deck is cold (lowwer percentage of face cards than a full deck) and betting large when the deck is hot (higher percentage of face cards than a full deck) the player can shift the edge in his favor.

The casino try to counter-act this by using 6 decks instead of one and increasing the sandard deviation of face card percentages.

Even with the six decks, however, by using particular formulas of high abd low bets based on the remaining cards in the deck, and by playing perfect blackjack, and by having a bankroll big enough to deal with the high swings in this style of play, some players can, in fact, consistantly win at blackjack.

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Ash@phpFX

actually is does matter when you bet $5 and when you bet $1000, thats what card counting is for, to tell you exactly when to bet these amounts. also 5% is way too much of your bankroll to be betting, the most i would ever bet on a $12000 bankroll is $120, based on a $10 minimum, and this would happen rarely.

also insurance, this bet should never be overlooked, it can make you a lot of money in the long run. another thing is that if you bet $50 flat the whole time, you will loose, the only way you can gain an edge is to modify your bets.



what the continuous shufflers effectively do is stop your ability to count cards, as you cannot track what cards have been played, beccause they are put back in the deck. This means that you can only use basic strategy, which will reduce the casinos edge, but never beat it. my local casino uses these so i dont play there. The house will have an edge of somewhere around 0.5% for most games. it is 0.561% at my local, so in the long run i have no chance at beating the game.

Veiga

I love to gamble, and I do it a lot as I love the stress involved on it.

But my best advice is to go play for fun and never for the money.

Ppl loose because they got greedy or don't know when to quit.

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