lol missed that thanks for pointing it out DAD, :1orglaugh

but really the only time i would bother to count cards in Calgary is if i took up a table with 1 other person,

other than that the casinos are real bitchy, they are usually 8 deck shoots, the casino i go to has 6 deck shoots. im not sure where to even find a casino in Alberta with a lower than 6 deck shoot.

i missed the entire point of your post, i thought u meant hard 18, i was thinking to myself that sounds crazy, but i agree with u, i sometimes hit soft 18, all depends on who i am playing with.

i bought the ebook out of interest. it was a good semi fictional read but it does not teach you to play blackjack or count cards. It is usefull to the card counter however, as an introdultion to the mechanics of team play. The book explains their team play concepts pretty well, i personally liked the part where they used keywords to signal the decks running count to the big players joining a table, i would never have thought of that.


If you read the book dont take it to seriously though, its for entertainment purposes. Card counting isnt all about glamour and action, its about sitting on your arse and being a robot. playing out hands with decisions that have been determined before you even sit down.

oh by the way, you should probably ignore those links above, as the information may not relate to the rules you play. to get a basic stratey chart for your rules go here:

http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bjbse.php

are you coming to the goldcoast webmaster meet in january? A few of us are heading to jupiters lol.

Any one who good in numbers knows you can't win at any casino game. That's why you gotta be the house.

Learn from the man who has been banned from all the vegas casino's since the 70's ...

http://bj21.com

Excellent site and I'm biased on that since my company designed it for them.

I learned a lot about cards and tables working for that crew :thumbsup

yeah, i talked about it in the other thread, i might head into treasury though because it has higher numbers of low bet tables, (19 compared to 1) so its easier to blend in. Im staying till the following thursday, so if you want me to give you a quick blackjack lesson while were there, id be more than happy to :)

yes thats an informative site, i used to be a member, for those who dont know, the guy is Stanford Wong, i think hes the only guy in card counting to have a move named after him.

An idea he came up with was standing and watching the tables until they became favourable, then sit down, when the tables went bad, hed stand back up and look for a new table, this became known as Wonging In/Wonging Out. You cant get away with it nowdays though, well, not without some creativity

why do casinos ban people for counting cards?

how do thousands of people make a living of playing blackjack?

could you please answer these questions

50 blackjacks

sounds great! when are you thinking of heading to the treasury? im probably only going to be up there for the weekend, so prolly either saturday night or sunday day.

probably not saturday night, as ill be drinking, and if you are trying to win, playing blackjack drunk is not a good idea :glugglug

amen to that sir

i hate gambling drunk it seems to cut my iq and/or money in half

lol, but the thing is.... i dont gamble:winkwink:

1). Because counting cards gives you the mathmatical advantage over the casino. And the casino cannot allow this, as it has to have the mathmatical advantage over EVERY game (or, in time, they would go out of business). If you take away their advantage by counting cards and they catch you, they will throw you out and put you on a ban list (with your picture) that gets distributed to all the other casinos, so if you walk into a casino and they recognize you, you might be allowed in, and even play, but not on any blackjack table.
2). Very few (maybe 5-10) make a living just playing blackjack. And what they do is sit down at a $5.00 table, and play when the dealer is cold (losing more than winning). They win 2-3 hands, get up, and wait until another dealer goes cold. They do this 10-15 hours a day, and if they are good, will make about $100-$200 a day. But then they have days where they lose, and they end up cleaning dishes for the casino to get some money to go and play again. A very shitty way to live.
BTW, like it was said before, the #1 card counter is banned from playing blackjack in every casino in the U.S. (and prob. the world). So the best can't even play. The #1 craps player in the world went on a 42 day winning streak and racked up about 10 million. He lost it all in about 12 days. No matter what you do, you cannot beat the house. Unless you cheat. But then you go to jail and get butt-fucked by Bubba. That is why Vegas casinos move $10-30 million CASH from their vault to the bank every DAY.

uhhh. i know, look who i quoted, i was asking rhetorical questions to someone who was just making stupid statements.

and there are a hell of a lot more people that 5-10 making a living there are literally thousands around the world, and they arent doing it on the $5 tables lol, playing 30 hours a week with the rules at my local on the $10 tables = $19000 per year, not enough to live off, they are doing it on the 50, 100 and over 100 tables, and they arent just doing it for a few hands. that wouldnt work, they are doing it for hours, you acnt just pick and choose hands, it garuntees nothing.

also the number 1 counter isnt banned from anywhere, if you are banned from everywhere you are one of the worst counters in the world. One of the most important skills in being a card counter is not getting banned.

and about the craps player, as i have said previously, craps is a negative expectation game, in the long run, you will always loose. and if you define #1 as someone who has a lucky streak, well then thats just stupid.

please dont talk about things you obviously have no knowledge of, there are lots of people making a living off blackjack, and they arent doing it on the $5 tables.

Ok everyone here are a bunch of n00bs...

This is all you need to know...

1) Stay on 12 or lower (dont risk busting)

2) Double down if you show 3-9

4) Increase your bet by $5 each time..


You will always win

I didn't really want to drive to brisvegas saturday night anyways, but I figured you wouldn't be up for it on sunday day. It's no biggy, I might just hit jupiters and lose a bunch :)

we can hit it sunday if you like, or ill come to jupiters, the rules are the same at the two casinos, so it wont matter too much. im going to memorise the basic strategy on the plane trip over, icq me 18502614 and ill get a copy for you too

I got banned from playing black jack at all the coast properties in vegas..

Orleans, Barbary Coast, Sun Coast, Gold Coast..

It was quite the accomplishment!!

I said.. "do you think im counting cards?"

he said.. "you said that..not me.."

I did quite well at times..its all about the double downs and splits and a bundle of luck..

why do casinos ban people for counting cards?

because they smell


how do thousands of people make a living of playing blackjack?

By the way of luck and a rabbit's foot in the left pocket.


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the treasury is like a second home to me... i like it there... pity the meet up is on the coast...

what's the big deal soming to the gold coast? it's only 45 minutes man :Graucho

was at the treasury last week, did not have a good run
there :BangBang:

Try the Plaza on Fremont Street, they have penny slots. :)

But don't stay there, its a shithole, if yer going to stay in downtown Las Vegas, always stay at Steve Wynn's first place, The Golden Nugget.

Vary your bets too. You'll eventually lose everything if you bet the same amount. Start with a certain number. If you lose bump the bet up by five. Eventually, you will win some of the loss back if you modestly increase per hand on loses.

Second, when winning do not be afraid to press your bet. The way you are really going to win at blackjack is to catch a good run where you are getting paid on high bets.

I find that when I play, I my profits are made usually from two shoes that I caught good runs on and was not afraid to double up on. Of course you will get burned for a stack or two during the run. As long as that same stack you lost produced a few wins it is okay to let it go.

Always... No matter what split 8's. Even if the dealer has a face card. I have never lost splitting 8's (meaning both hands). I always double down on 11's not matter what.

Double down, split, and have a betting system.

If you don't vary your bet, press when winning, double down, and split... You will lose your money slowly over the course of the night.

Why would I know about betting? I'm asian!

There is more bullshit in this post than all the rest of GFY at the moment. :1orglaugh

You think that that is bullshit? Why?

a) You start bumping your losses $5 a pop and see how fast you can drop thousands.

b) You've never lost on both hands splitting 8's? How many hands have you played 5?

c) You don't have to vary your bet to win. Not saying it's good or bad, but I've won consistenly betting the same damn amount every hand. While most people choose to press up, (and I do have a strategy for that) I prefer flat bets. If you win $5 and lose $10 what good does it do? It pops the odds so far out of your favor you are screwed unless you bet more and more every hand.

Bumping by five in with a $20 bet in a set of 4 bets with one that you win is not going to lose thousands.

Many split 8 hands have I played. Many... I have never lost both. Not once.

If you don't vary your bet you are going to have a very slow grind all night until you are out of money. I'm not saying gamble in an insane up and down. I am saying if you don't bet more from time to time and hold on the same amount all night... You will eventually lose... Slowly but surely you will. The reason is they have a slight statistical advantage over you. If you don't get out ahead, and you bet the same... That statistical advantage they have will slowly tap you out.

But your response is understandable. I know many people that follow your school of thought. I am just posting what has worked for me. I'm not saying it will work for anyone else. Most of what I am saying goes by the same convention that strategy guides have too.

I've lost more than 4 hands in a row many, many times. I've also lost both hands when splitting 8's many times.

By the way, we played damn near every day for 6 months in 2001 and walked out losing once. The "slow grind" didn't catch me.

If you played every day in 2001 then you do in fact have much more experience and skill at the game. I am sure of that, so I will concede my my line of logic. You would definately know better than I would.

I have only played at the tables maybe 150 times in my life. Though, based on what I have experienced and watched. That is how I play. In that time I have come out losing on several occasions. The vast majority of the time I have won.

No, we played nearly every day for 6 months. Off and on after that. I've seen people press their bets and win but for a new player? I agree with you splitting 8's ever time, doubling on 11 etc. but I also know I've lost 15 hands in a row and there was nothing I could do. Pressing up can cost a fortune.

15 hands in a row? God damn dude... That is rough! Yeah, the pressing thing can get pricey, so I should restate it with press if you are already ahead and can take a burn.

Yes, I counted because I was in a tourney. I have a strategy I was playing with online and winning and I was going to use it for the tournament. Well, if you can't win 1 hand it doesn't work. :1orglaugh

Lol... Yeah, I gues sometimes probability has strange pockets of luck with it. You play tournaments? I have always wanted to, but I'm never free when they are being offered around here

Only twice. $20 can win $1000 or more.

i know what you mean, hell i wouldnt be going if i didnt live in perth cause its right down the street you know :winkwink:

assuming you are not counting:

you will eventually loose everything if you bet the same amount

TRUE, but, if you increase your bets, you will loose everything FASTER

splitting 8s is generally a good idea, in all the australian casinos you should always split 8s, but to say that you have never lost just means that you havent played many hands. also you should not double 11 against an ace.

you are right about needing a betting system, although using the one you described, is a big mistake. not only will you loose, but you will loose quickly, it just takes one bad run and you are stuffed. it also doent make sesne, because say you lost 10 hands in a row, starting at 5 and increasing 5 every time, your next bet would be $55 but you would have already lost $275. does this seem rediculous to you?

No, but I never lost more than 8 hands in a row. Yes, I have had bad runs where that strategy had not worked. More times than not, winning a couple hands and catching a better run with that system has worked.

As I had posted earlier. That is what I do. I win most of the time. I am not a serious player. So, if you think that system is bad, then it probably is. No argument from me on the matter.