Are you trying to imply that if it had been up to the US, Iraq would have been invaded immediately? :eek7



Something to think about for some of you Americans who go around saying the US should "liberate" the entire world:
Most of you will say you are bringing democracy to the rest of the world. The closest thing to a global democratic organization is the UN. By bypassing the UN, you are choosing not to do things the democratic way, but the barbaric way - "me stronger, me do what me like".

What that does is take away from the international credibility of the UN. Apparently, if you're powerful enough, you can do whatever you want. The precedent that is set by such actions is extremely dangerous... it gives countries like China and Russia the "right" to do exactly the same thing with other countries.

With the US backing it, at least the UN has some power - however little it may be. While the UN is undoubtedly a slow, bureaucratical and inefficient organization, it is our best hope for a future with less wars and more global cooperation.

I dont believe the us had a right to immediately invade anywhere.... but when you have a country, any country basicly telling the "world police" to fuck off (12 years of it)and there is no recourse for that country, from the almighty U.N i dont believe there is any credibility to them anymore. If we hadent done what we did... im sure there would be more of these rouge states telling the world to fuck off. What we did was in my opinion, was a great service to the world, now instead of some fucking garbage country telling everyone to fuck off and not getting punished, they always gotta worry about the U.S not taking their shit.

Also the us has backed the U.n since its inception, but it ultimatly has no power when you cant do shit without everyone saying its ok. It is a doomed intitution and this political bullshit will be its eventual downfall

The inspectors where there for years and the sanctions where never relaxed or removed so the Iraqis got more and more frustrated.

Well I don't see the US invading North Korea even though it still tells the world to fuck off. Actually isn't Bush begging for Taiwan to stop demanding freedom from China? I mean seriously. Do I also have to mention Israel? Your argument is quiet weird.

Bush had made the US into another one of those rogue states who tells the world to fuck off.

The inspectors were there, yes, but they were NEVER allowed to do thier job by being allowed immediate and unobstructed searches of any sites, and there were always a few of saddam's men around at the questioning of top scientists(always makes it easy to tell the truth). I believe if you look back you would see that the U.N stated it was willing to relax some of these sanctions if these minor and absolutely justified demands were met, this being after 8 years of Iraqi defiance.... They were not and to top it all off the inspectors were the kicked out of the country.

Still wonder why those sanctions were never relaxed?

North Korea is a little different than Iraq because up untill a year or so ago they more or less complied with what everyone wanted.. they had thier nuke plants shut down and allowed continued unsupervised monitoring of thier offending plants and substances. They seemed willing up untill then to work with the international community, that would be why the U.S seems more tolerant. Believe it or not the U.S allows the U.N to take obscene amounts of time to make the offending nations get thier shit in order before we even think about getting involved. I swear you haters think were some fucking "Ghengis Khan like, rape and pillage your country for no other reason than I sat on my nuts when I got on my horse this morning" type country.

I dont and will not pretend I know anything about Tiawan other than my alarm clock was made there. :) So sorry I cant rebut that one ;)

Isreal is a fucked up problem and I dont see why the U.S allows them to do what they do, other than they are are only "trusted" country over there in that region. Like I said I dont see why they are allowed to do as they please, and I don't agree with everything my country does or has done but most of the time I think we are right in what we do.

In closing I would like to say... where the fuck are all the posts calling me a dumbshit or the like for my post count? I am truly disappointed in you G.F.Y :Graucho

because we can you pussy :321GFY and you can't be british because your english sucks. your just some foreigner who obviously couldn't get into the US so you ended up in the UK... moron.

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What exactly is the :1orglaugh UN? Democracy?

You have to be fucking kidding me.

Stupid socialist fucks that think they can solve the worlds problems in a few yearly meetings.

It was the US who put Saddam into power. It was the US who engaged Saddam to kill others. It was the US who supplied Saddam with both biological and chemical weapons to use against those who do not serve "US interests".

Since he served the US so well while it suited, that raises the question again, "Why are you Americans anti him?"

He is a murderer and bully - he has been responsible for much torture and killing. The same can be said for several leaders.

Saddam was acting on behalf of the US for many years and his help was appreciated in many quarters, despite the fact that US government knew also of his killings and were happy to accept his "favors", supply him with the "means" and look on.

It looks like "American's" are so "anti him" because they are taught to be "anti him".

No one doubts Saddam is a killer, that has been known for years, - what were ya doing when he was killing thousands? Enjoying the oil??

The US has no credibilty in any issues regarding Saddam Hussein.

Of course not!

Hail the UN.


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broke:

The UN is a resprentation of the international community.

This supercedes any other nations interests and the declarations constructed within the UN represent the interests of all member states.

Is this a "democracy"? It sure looks that way!

If you consider the international community to be "Stupid socialist fucks", I think you may have to learn something :1orglaugh

un is a spineless debating society. It is very hard to get the un to take action. Rwanda for example, an estimated 800,000 were killed.

the simple answer is all your oil belongs to the white men from north america.

lucky we have do gooders or id of had all the diamond mines in africa by now. :thumbsup

rooster:

And what did your government do when repeatedly asked by the UN to contribute "some" forces to Rwanda? Nothing.

The same applied to Canada, UK, serveral Euro countries - they did nothing.

This was not a reflection on the UN in that, despite urgent requests from it's members, those members chose to ignore the situation. It is the members you may have to chat about "taking action", - including your own government.

The UN ain't some "perfection" to aspire to. It is also not any "debating society". But it does represent the international community - a thing that the US government is clearly not in favor of, - at least at this time. Wonder why?? :winkwink: And it ain't cos you have been "taught" that it is "irrelevant" - more to do with the ususal selfish "interests" in not wishing to listen to the international community.

No it isn't.

Key words "member states".

Patrarch of the world community as it fits the 'member states'.

LOL.


I don't consider the international community to be "Stupid socialist fucks"... I consider stupid socialist fucks to be stupid socialist fucks.

I think you have much to learn.

He sealed his fate pretty much when he attacked one of US intersts/allies, Kuwait.

That is the most retarded comment I have read so far! LOL I hope you are joking or actually I don't care... I had a good laugh, thanks!

see http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=208698

broke:

Hardly worth the effort to any response, but ya need to "try", - real hard, to say something that is actually meaningful, instead of your closet "opinions" in some pathetic attempt to "attack" :1orglaugh

Is black white today?? :Graucho

allanuk you dumb fuck lol. Do you know anything about politics or how the world works?

You don't need to be in office to understand these things, all you need to do is fuckin pay attention. It blows my mind to see how you (and a few others here) can believe that America is so awful.

Granted, I have never lived outside of the US, but I know 100% that life here is better then anywhere else on earth. The problem that you and a few others here are having, is what's called JEALOUSY! You're jealous that we get to live so freely. Both men and women can live here and be treated as equals. We are able to speak are minds without being punished. We stick up for one another and on top of that, we're smarter.

If you guys had half a fuckin brain you'd wake up and realize that the US has the right idea. While you guys die from poverty, we're taken care of. Example---September 11th. We came together as americans, and helped one another. Would your people do that? Would they donate to help others. Im willing to bet thats a big fat NO. Not only cause your a cock knocker, but because your standard of living is so low.

On another note... This thread should be stopped. I know I dont want this douch bag to win anything from GFY for having the longest thread.

USA! USA! USA!

Heather Hamptons:

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OK then.. we all have "views" and in most countries you are free to express them!!

Mmm.. I'm wondering if I am dying of poverty now you mention :1orglaugh

Sheesh... yea, it might be just as well ya just stay at home!! :)

Webby shut the fuck up stupid bitch...U can hate Americans but don't make up lies fucking ignorant piece of shit dumb slut...:321GFY

The point I was trying to make is that until you are in fact an American, you will never know what it means to be free.

We have so much more to offer then any other country out there.

Last post for me...on this thread.

tried to destroy the power of the u.n for 12 years or so is a more accurate statement.

why not? because the "big boys" don't think before they act, they wash dishes with chainsaws.

For the record Webby...

I think she's an idiot.

Doesn't change the fact that the UN is inept and the it's interest is that of 'member nations' and not the world community.

Please continue...

Care to go over the UN's 'books'?

Feline:

Ah... we are back to "US hating" and "making up lies" blah??

You still in denial that Saddam was placed into power by the US??
Is that one of these "lies"? If so, go look up some common knowledge and try and lean something!

BTW... A bitch is a female dog and, least as far as I noticed, I ain't no female. With all due respect to dogs, I'd hate em to be associated with you and your foul US street trash popcorn lingo. :winkwink:

Granted, I have never lived outside of the US, but I know 100% that life here is better then anywhere else on earth.

hummm.... typical and pathetic. USA! USA! USA!

The words "united states" & "veto" appear with remarkable regularity and density.

broke:

Sure.. there is definately an element of "member nations" interests - the UN is not some "perfection in paradise".

These "interests" are imposed by those who have, or assume to have "power" - including France, US, Germany blah.

Overall, there are many nations operating within the UN Charter and no alternative has been suggested so far, - so, tho it may not be perfect, it is at least a working framework to allow nations a voice and encourage communication.

The UN has served well since it was founded, - I doubt anyone would dispute that. Tho, it may be that it is now time for some "overhaul" and this is currently being implemented by the Secretary General.

So do USD.

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Who said Saddam never "attact" the U.S.? He refused to back down to Bush's demands and wouldn't allow the U.S. access to their oil reserves...that sounds like a direct attack to me, he definitely needed to go. That and the genocide and crimes against humanity.

I'm not convinced that the guy they have is the real Saddam though. It could be, but the story doesn't quite ring true, either they're not telling us the whole truth, or it's a complete lie.

Tell me this, if your potential captors have you surrounded but don't recognise you, would you own up to who you were without a fight? Seems a little fishy to me.

I would. What exactly has the UN done the benefited the world community?

The creation of Israel?

It's intervention in Serbia? Its work in Somalia, Rwanda, Chechnya?

Sanctions imposed, but not enforced?

Seriously -- someone please give me something the UN has done with any efficacy other than open the lines of communication?

slackologist:

Mmm.. noticed this! :winkwink: The keyword density is pretty high on these words :-)

As for the "USD" ... this appears with amazing regularity on the UN bills to the US which were never paid by the US for many years as part of their "UN subscription". It was only when the US President felt a "need" for UN involvement after 9/11 that the accounts were brought.. almost.. up to date.

BTW.. Ya ever noticed how the US never "asks" anyone?? It is always a "warning" :1orglaugh Tis little surprise there are some "attitudes" developing. Tis all crap! :winkwink:

bena1975ca:


That is funny!!! :Graucho

broke:

DUH??? Check out.. first.. why the UN was formed... then have a look at the massive amount of stuff that has done nothing but good... and then take account of the, in comparison, few amounts of "failures" and ya may get the beginning of a clue as to why it is still in existance :-)

broke:

And... gotta tell ya... there is not one single nation on the face of this earth that could have effectively given support to people dying (for whatever reason), than the UN.

The UN is only as good as it's active members, but as a combined unit, it has achieved much.

And I asked for one thing... why is that so hard? Give me one thing the UN has done that has not directly benefited a member nation.

They acted as a human shield around some plant in Rwanda during the war - okay it was involuntary, but you can always count on the UN to save the day :P

broke:

You actually serious??? :1orglaugh

Hell.. na.. I ain't going to educate you!! I've already hit upon one thing above - read it! Then look up all the rest - I gotta go!!

PS.. Last and one recent clue... what would happen if the US, instead of unilateral action, decided to follow along with the majority in the UN over the Iraq issue? Think about it and try to kill any baggage of nationalism and denegration of other organisations and nations while you do. Nobody can do "deals" with themselves - they may not like their bedfellows, but sometimes there ain't a choice when you are talking about 1000's of lives.

Peace out!! :winkwink:

Interesting question. Very deep if you think about it. GWB didn't crack down on Saddam just because he's a dictator. There's tons of dictators. Didn't crack down on him cause he gassed his own people... Sunnis don't consider Kurds their "own people" and US is kinda hypocritical about lecturing Saddam about Chemical Weapons when the US dumped TONS of Agent Orange on Vietnam.

Just come out and say We Did it for the OIL and I'd buy it. Sure its fucked up...but when you got the power you can get away with it. True 5000 years ago, stil true now.