but we also have the most functional democracy, though its far from perfect... i wouldn't live anywhere else except the emerald isle.

edit: we may not like him, but as far as we can prove the majority voted this asshat in

Personally I hope Saddam goes on Oprah and sues Bush and the US for invasion under false pretences...

slut!

Excuse me? The US the most functional democracy?? Your president received less votes than his opponent... that oughta tell you something.

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edit: we may not like him, but as far as we can prove the majority voted this asshat in

you are rambling

Ehm... no they didn't. Gore received more votes than Bush, that's a well-known fact. Not talking about the Florida fiasco here either. Bush won with several hundreds of thousands of votes less.

This is gonna be one heated thread.

I for one am glad that he will soon face the people he has ruled with tyranny for so many years.

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that's due to the electoral college system, different states have a different number of seats. he won the election / the chads probably could have got gore over the line if the court battle wasnt won by bush .. from memory

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Yes. In other words, the US electoral system allows someone who does not win the popular vote to become president.

'Earlier in the day, rumors of the capture sent people streaming into the streets of Kirkuk, a northern Iraqi city, firing guns in the air in celebration.

"We are celebrating like it's a wedding," said Kirkuk resident Mustapha Sheriff. "We are finally rid of that criminal."

"This is the joy of a lifetime," said Ali Al-Bashiri, another resident. "I am speaking on behalf of all the people that suffered under his rule."

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On another note, I find it funny how certain people embrace certain parts of the constitution and conviently ignore other parts.

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Heres some education on the electoral college for the euro trash in the audiance.

http://www.cato.org/dailys/11-10-00.html

"Recall the ways our constitution puts limits on any unchecked power, including the arbitrary will of the people. Power at the national level is divided among the three branches, each reflecting a different constituency. Power is divided yet again between the national government and the states. Madison noted that these twofold divisions -- the separation of powers and federalism -- provided a ?double security? for the rights of the people.

What about the democratic principle of one person, one vote? Isn?t that principle essential to our form of government? The Founders? handiwork says otherwise. Neither the Senate, nor the Supreme Court, nor the president is elected on the basis of one person, one vote. That?s why a state like Montana, with 883,000 residents, gets the same number of Senators as California, with 33 million people. Consistency would require that if we abolish the Electoral College, we rid ourselves of the Senate as well. Are we ready to do that?

The filtering of the popular will through the Electoral College is an affirmation, rather than a betrayal, of the American republic. Doing away with the Electoral College would breach our fidelity to the spirit of the Constitution, a document expressly written to thwart the excesses of majoritarianism. Nonetheless, such fidelity will strike some as blind adherence to the past. For those skeptics, I would point out two other advantages the Electoral College offers.

First, we must keep in mind the likely effects of direct popular election of the president. We would probably see elections dominated by the most populous regions of the country or by several large metropolitan areas. In the 2000 election, for example, Vice President Gore could have put together a plurality or majority in the Northeast, parts of the Midwest, and California.

The victims in such elections would be those regions too sparsely populated to merit the attention of presidential candidates. Pure democrats would hardly regret that diminished status, but I wonder if a large and diverse nation should write off whole parts of its territory. We should keep in mind the regional conflicts that have plagued large and diverse nations like India, China, and Russia. The Electoral College is a good antidote to the poison of regionalism because it forces presidential candidates to seek support throughout the nation. By making sure no state will be left behind, it provides a measure of coherence to our nation."

I find it funny how some people seem to think that if you agree with parts of a position, you must also agree with the whole.

I for one agree with several things in the bible (don't murder, steal, that sorta stuff). Does that mean I should also agree with the parts about killing heathens?

allan you are a tool

what means money for US? they can print $$$ very easy, they're doing it for years without backing them up...
so it's all about keeping the $ hegemony rather than some oil pipelines...
on 6 november 2001 saddam started to sell oil for euros (the oil for food program) . so same price but cheaper currency, asians where happy because 0.90Eur was 1$ that time, so they were paying less.
that's what pissed off bush, not the crimes and other shit like this....he ordered the media to change the target from osama bin laden to saddam hussein.
have you wondered why bush didn't go to Niger for example?
3 millions innocent people were killed by the local militia in 5 years and no one cared... wait, maybe they don't sell bananas on euros :winkwink:

rooster, us "euro trash" know very well how your electoral system works. However, it remains a ridiculous system.

If you use the current system to make sure sparsely populated areas don't get screwed, you are forgetting one thing: the way it is now individuals get screwed. Based on where you live, your vote is worth more or less. Democracy at it's finest?

Protecting individual states can be done in a much simpler way, namely giving states a lot of autonomy. Giving citizens of a certain state more voting power than those of another state when it comes to the federal government, however, is idiocy.

Reducing this to the dollar is a bit too simplistic, I think. While it may have been an influence, I strongly doubt it was one of the main reasons for the invasion.

I've seen some fucking stupid threads here, and seen some ignorant people but you have to be one of the biggest fucking idiots to have asked that question. :321GFY
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I hope I was clear.

"What should we do, the usa is making us look like idiots"

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I cant beleive they caught him

What I find funny is , All these people talk about forget the WMD's we are giving the Iraqi's their freedom. Last week Bush told Taiwan dont even try to vote for your freedom from China. I found that very amusing lol.

Yeah, so everyone hates us. So fucking what? I saw the same sort of thing when I lived in North Idaho. The masses of poor people that were struggling always had shit to say about the few that were even moderately successful and would do anything they could to pull them down.

Nothing different than what happens on a national scale. Everyone hates our fucking guts, but guess who they whine to when they need food or money... Yeah it is us...

"Youze a bitch ass mutha fucka.... Hey... Can youze hit me up with a $50??"

Yep!

There should be the YET part on there.. you dont know if he had any part in the 9-11 attack, he may have helped fund efforts, either way I have different opinions on different parts of this whole thing, I think the guys a scumbag. I'm glad we got him, but I think we could have gotten him the last time around, and saved our country $86billion, and saved the lives of soldiers who continue to die every day from our occupation of iraq.

I know alot of other causes that could have benifited from that money, such as community college programs, child schooling, after school programs.. shit like that.. We could put our money to a better use sometimes..

Anyways, things will work out eventually.

Media

This happened to you?

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of course not... I live in america. shit like that doesn't happen here. dumb fuck

he's right. the rest of the world hates the us. if anyone plays on xbox live, there are people from different countries and all they do is sit there and talk about how much they hate the us. even canadians.

sorry we don't have bombs going off every day at malls and football games but if you don't like that about your country, come move here. we don't give a fuck. we won't be hanging out with your foreigner ass anyway.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by tony404
What I find funny is , All these people talk about forget the WMD's we are giving the Iraqi's their freedom. Last week Bush told Taiwan dont even try to vote for your freedom from China. I found that very amusing lol. [/QUOT]


indeed...

All these people who say we should have let the u.n do its job.... we tried for what 12 years or so? I really wish the big fucking joke known as the un would have at least enforced the sanctions that itself had imposed. I honestly dont see a problem with the U.S laying the smack down on anybody when they continually thumb thier noses at the U.N. when the international community doesnt have the testies to back up thier own sanctions.... why not let the big boys just do it?:321GFY

Does this apply to Israel also?

Haha yeah Saddam was good at the old smoke and mirrors tricks..

He has been up to no good for so long..

Media

Amazing... simply amazing that some of you remember to draw your next breath.

allan you must be about 18 yrs old. too young to remember when saddam was giving the finger to the UN for about ohhhhh 12 years! Is the UN really the type of police you want protecting you?

I'm not scared that more ignorant fucktards like you don't like the US.

It must suck being bombed by the IRA. It sucks thinking things like 'does this arab-looking guy want to blow up this plane I'm on?' I've been saying for years that if this is a war on terrorism then the IRA has to be on the list of targets. I hope I'm right. Sitting around doing nothing while evil prospers is just wrong.
Let other countries gear up for war. I could give a shit. Who's going to bring it?

In my opinion yes.... those are probably the most crooked fucks in the world. I dont see how they get away with the shit they do, but then again the havent fucked with us in 40 years :)

Bashing Bashing & Bashing Nice thread :thumbsup