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UniqueMovies · 12-12-2003, 09:30 AM

I did a search in google for 'search engine optimization' and the 1st company to be listed was http://www.seoinc.com

Clearly it only makes sense to invest your money into the company who is ranked #1. Thier packages range from $7,000 to $150,000+

Would it make sense to spend this kind of money?

beergood · 12-12-2003, 09:32 AM

XxXotic · 12-12-2003, 09:33 AM

Mr Pheer · 12-12-2003, 09:34 AM

I've turned down offers of over $100k for my SE software and knowledge

Why would I put someone else in a position to compete with me

EscortBiz · 12-12-2003, 09:36 AM

7K is well worth it if you have converting sites, but if this company is worth it I dont know

GeXus · 12-12-2003, 09:37 AM

Could be worth it.. See what they guarentee, and make sure if you signup for something you do a contract with them

Trax · 12-12-2003, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by UniqueMovies
I did a search in google for 'search engine optimization' and the 1st company to be listed was http://www.seoinc.com

Clearly it only makes sense to invest your money into the company who is ranked #1. Thier packages range from $7,000 to $150,000+

Would it make sense to spend this kind of money?

depends on the business you run
think about non adult... a lot of non adult sites make up easily 30k from google a day in sales
so 7k is no investment
neither is 150k
you know what i mean

for Adult it is the same.... if you think its worth it.. depends on the size of the project and how good you can do on it
you do the calculations... get it back in long run.. go for it

i usually charge less though

UniqueMovies · 12-12-2003, 09:39 AM

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Originally posted by GeXus
Could be worth it.. See what they guarentee, and make sure if you signup for something you do a contract with them

It seems like lots of cash but if they can get my site on the top 5 for certain key words it would pay for itself.

seven · 12-12-2003, 09:39 AM

It would only make sense that you studied seo stuff yourself and tried it yourself like most of us did. It's not rocket science. You could, however, look for good deals with SEOs out there thou most of them only works with major sponsors I believe. Btw, being #1 on keyword 'search engine optimization' means nothing cos it's not a popular adult keyword

GeXus · 12-12-2003, 09:40 AM

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Originally posted by UniqueMovies

It seems like lots of cash but if they can get my site on the top 5 for certain key words it would pay for itself.

Exactly.. and remember, real listings are worth MUCH more then paid listings...

I would contact them, let them know what your trying to achieve, get a quote.. find out if they guarentee it... in what time frame.. etc.. and if you do it, have a written contract..

GeXus · 12-12-2003, 09:41 AM

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Originally posted by seven
It would only make sense that you studied seo stuff yourself and tried it yourself like most of us did. It's not rocket science. You could, however, look for good deals with SEOs out there thou most of them only works with major sponsors I believe. Btw, being #1 on keyword 'search engine optimization' means nothing cos it's not a popular adult keyword

Your wrong.

UniqueMovies · 12-12-2003, 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by seven
It would only make sense that you studied seo stuff yourself and tried it yourself like most of us did. It's not rocket science. You could, however, look for good deals with SEOs out there thou most of them only works with major sponsors I believe. Btw, being #1 on keyword 'search engine optimization' means nothing cos it's not a popular adult keyword

Does anybody know anyone who has a 'portfolio' of sites they have optimised for specific key words? It don't get much sweeter then proof or results.

Basic_man · 12-12-2003, 09:42 AM

no, for sure!

EscortBiz · 12-12-2003, 09:45 AM

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Originally posted by Trax

depends on the business you run
think about non adult... a lot of non adult sites make up easily 30k from google a day in sales
so 7k is no investment
neither is 150k
you know what i mean

for Adult it is the same.... if you think its worth it.. depends on the size of the project and how good you can do on it
you do the calculations... get it back in long run.. go for it

i usually charge less though

why think about non adult?

Many adukt sites do 30K daily and their is real profits VS. many non adult have to raise money day and night because of low margins and overhead from here to chicago.

all depends on what business you run

seven · 12-12-2003, 09:48 AM

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Originally posted by UniqueMovies
Does anybody know anyone who has a 'portfolio' of sites they have optimised for specific key words? It don't get much sweeter then proof or results.

So that you can get 100s of desparados try to beat your rank? hit me up on icq 119451009 I won't show you all but I can show you a few that I got maybe hard for you to beat hehe.

UniqueMovies · 12-12-2003, 09:48 AM

I would sure love to know how penisbot got #1 for the keyword 'porn'

2.8 million hits /mth.

Crazy

Trax · 12-12-2003, 09:50 AM

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Originally posted by EscortBiz

why think about non adult?

Many adukt sites do 30K daily and their is real profits VS. many non adult have to raise money day and night because of low margins and overhead from here to chicago.

all depends on what business you run

well i thought about the average client
eg. a guy who owns a blowjob paysite and wants to be #1 for blowjobs in google because he thinks it will pay of on his good converting site...

on this project the guy will not make 30k a day
thats for sure....

i dont doubt there are tons of adult sites making way more than 30k a day

so we agree
all depends on the business you run

UniqueMovies · 12-12-2003, 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Trax

well i thought about the average client
eg. a guy who owns a blowjob paysite and wants to be #1 for blowjobs in google because he thinks it will pay of on his good converting site...

on this project the guy will not make 30k a day
thats for sure....

i dont doubt there are tons of adult sites making way more than 30k a day

so we agree
all depends on the business you run

Yeah I agree but how do you determine how much a keyword is worth? Why would the keyword 'blowjob' not make 30k /day?

Trax · 12-12-2003, 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by UniqueMovies
I would sure love to know how penisbot got #1 for the keyword 'porn'

2.8 million hits /mth.

Crazy

its no rocket science

its a long established site with webmaster trust and good submissions
its a clean and optimized site with more than 70000 backlinks

there you go

a small summary

Trax · 12-12-2003, 10:02 AM

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Originally posted by UniqueMovies
Yeah I agree but how do you determine how much a keyword is worth?

that depends
you can only calculate a bit...
make best/worst case scenarios
how much traffic can you expect a day...
how many visitors can you turn into a signup

Quote:

Why would the keyword 'blowjob' not make 30k /day?

lets assume you really own a paysite
you charge $30 - no trials
that would equal 1000 signups

not taking 20% for processing and reserve into consideration
just gross

i was #1 for blowjobs
its not possible

hope it helped a little bit

UniqueMovies · 12-12-2003, 10:07 AM

So the only way to know for sure how much a key word is worth is to be #1 and see how well you can convert it.

Damn

com · 12-12-2003, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by UniqueMovies
I did a search in google for 'search engine optimization' and the 1st company to be listed was http://www.seoinc.com

Clearly it only makes sense to invest your money into the company who is ranked #1. Thier packages range from $7,000 to $150,000+

Would it make sense to spend this kind of money?

The highest aggreement i can think of for an seo artist i could find feasable, is an aggreed setup price for initial setup, then a cut of profits made based on increased traffic after seo takes effect. *shrug* 150k for seo no fucking way man. DIY ;)

Trax · 12-12-2003, 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by UniqueMovies
So the only way to know for sure how much a key word is worth is to be #1 and see how well you can convert it.
Damn

no

i hope you are not being sarcastic here hehe

seven · 12-12-2003, 10:12 AM

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Originally posted by UniqueMovies
Yeah I agree but how do you determine how much a keyword is worth? Why would the keyword 'blowjob' not make 30k /day?

I believe the keyword 'blowjob' gets .5 million total searches on Google/mon (estimating compared to overture.. a google advertiser would know better) Being #1 suppose you get 25k/mon out of it. Now if you convert at 1:200 and average $30/su you make $3750/mon (minus your cost ofcourse which would be pretty high if you were overture PPC advertiser).

EscortBiz · 12-12-2003, 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by UniqueMovies
So the only way to know for sure how much a key word is worth is to be #1 and see how well you can convert it.

Damn

get real and realistic or you are about to lose your pants in this business

Trax · 12-12-2003, 10:18 AM

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Originally posted by seven

I believe the keyword 'blowjob' gets .5 million total searches on Google/mon (estimating compared to overture.. a google advertiser would know better) Being #1 suppose you get 25k/mon out of it. Now if you convert at 1:200 and average $30/su you make $3750/mon (minus your cost ofcourse which would be pretty high if you were overture PPC advertiser).

those numbers are realistic
but you get more than double the amount of hits a month
so its a little more than that
but you know what youre doing hehe

seven · 12-12-2003, 10:27 AM

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Originally posted by Trax
but you know what youre doing hehe

Thanks.. I only hope

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i was #1 for blowjobs

Good job there

besterman · 12-12-2003, 10:47 AM

It's worth it if you currently generate revenue through paid advertising. If you are spending monthly on ad space, this is a good risk to take as it can generate potential long-term ("free") traffic after the capital investment

WiredGuy · 12-12-2003, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by UniqueMovies
I did a search in google for 'search engine optimization' and the 1st company to be listed was http://www.seoinc.com

Clearly it only makes sense to invest your money into the company who is ranked #1. Thier packages range from $7,000 to $150,000+

Would it make sense to spend this kind of money?

$7k is nothing for SEO work. It's all about ROI here, if you have reason to believe that SEOInc can make you more than 7k with their work then by all means go for it. The idea is to see what kind of packages and service they offer you, if guarantees are made and to see their referrals.

Regardless, SEOInc knows what they're doing because of that ranking but let's just say they weren't offering very competitive payouts to their SEO experts. I turned down subcontract work from them because it wasn't worth my time.

WG

seven · 12-12-2003, 03:16 PM

wiredguy is the name I was thinking but wasn't sure when I said there are SEOs only work with major sponsors.. well he's one of them

TheJimmy · 12-12-2003, 03:30 PM

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Originally posted by WiredGuy

$7k is nothing for SEO work. It's all about ROI here, if you have reason to believe that SEOInc can make you more than 7k with their work then by all means go for it. The idea is to see what kind of packages and service they offer you, if guarantees are made and to see their referrals.

Regardless, SEOInc knows what they're doing because of that ranking but let's just say they weren't offering very competitive payouts to their SEO experts. I turned down subcontract work from them because it wasn't worth my time.

WG

that said enough for me to know whether or not I'd go with a company like that...

WiredGuy · 12-12-2003, 03:39 PM

From the email I got from them (long ago, so I might be off a little), they're more or less an SEO management firm. They use their brand to get customers but they almost outsource all their work to other SEO's. They have grown quite a bit since I last dealt with them and I believe they have now become resellers of inclusion services (AV, Ink, Lycos). They may have hired SEO's to work for them directly now as well since then to keep their expenses low.

WG

WiredGuy · 12-12-2003, 03:41 PM

btw, thanks for the compliments seven and jimmy.
WG

GonePhishing · 12-12-2003, 03:46 PM

No SEO is worth blowing $7000 unless they are going to deliver you the moon and keep it in orbit for you. If it is an extensive plan that will get you #1 on all your sites and urls, and it will keep it there... Maybe... Overall, no way is it worth $7000. For 5 hours of my time, I can get better than what most companies are selling... The best part is that it is free and not complicated

nap · 12-12-2003, 05:59 PM

i apologize uniquemovies for asking this in your thread but ii just had to. if i don't own a paysite am i throwing money away investing in PPC/SEO optimizing companies? One of my sites has a few galleries on it all with specialized keywords that I will be going after. Is this a smart move or should I stick to TGP traffic for my galleries?

Scootermuze · 12-12-2003, 06:22 PM

There are wayyy too many other common folk out there that study seo strategies and tactics that can do better than those professing to be the pros..

Optimize for a period.. then a week later the algo's change.. money wasted...

It's best to learn it yourself.. keep up with it yourself.. and profit from it yourself..

What's really funny is seeing the "guaranteed top engine placement" sites that PAY to have their listings at the top..

Anyone going with them deserves the screwing they get..

Just as the "guaranteed top engine placement" sites that are like 5 pages down in the search results.. I'm sure lots of folks flock to pay these guys..

reynold · 12-12-2003, 06:25 PM

If it's guaranteed then I'd say it's worth it. Actually you can get Indian dudes to do it for you at www.scriptlance.com for less than $200

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nap Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: midwest Posts: 2,765	i apologize uniquemovies for asking this in your thread but ii just had to. if i don't own a paysite am i throwing money away investing in PPC/SEO optimizing companies? One of my sites has a few galleries on it all with specialized keywords that I will be going after. Is this a smart move or should I stick to TGP traffic for my galleries?

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