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mrthumbs · 12-10-2003, 10:09 PM

What outboard gear and software (pc) do you recommend
for video editting? Budget is not an issue (although it should be reasonable).

And whats the best hardware/convertor to hookup an XL1S ?

How do the pro's work it?

billywatson · 12-10-2003, 10:10 PM

i shoot with a GL2 and edit/convert it all with Premiere. The only way to go, my friend.

mrthumbs · 12-10-2003, 10:11 PM

if you're a video wizard hit me up on icq 160272407.

i always pay for good advice.

mrthumbs · 12-10-2003, 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by billywatson
i shoot with a GL2 and edit/convert it all with Premiere. The only way to go, my friend.

GL2 vs XL1S whats the difference?

JSA Matt · 12-10-2003, 10:15 PM

premiere

billywatson · 12-10-2003, 10:15 PM

lighter....really. i shot 2nd camera with an XL1 and by the end of the day my arm felt like it was about to fall off.

i wouldn't call myself a wizard...yet.

billywatson · 12-10-2003, 10:16 PM

Premiere is a resource hog, but I love it.

How about instead of throwing up a stupid laffer you offer up some more advice, fucktard?

chowda · 12-10-2003, 10:21 PM

just to step back, im gonna try to shoot some stuff, are there any formats i should get minidv hi8 etc..?

vidvicious · 12-10-2003, 10:23 PM

the type of camera you have has no bearing on the edit suite .. first you need to figure out your present needs and future needs .. only from that point can you determine what type of edit suite would best suit you ..

you did ask about hardware/software and bot about platforms right ?
Cus Premier is only a platform .. nothing more, nothing less .. it will do what hundreds of other edit platforms will ..

when determining your needs take these things into consideration ... Timeline becomes a huge factor when deciding as does, format , output, real time transitions, Real time editing, Compatible codecs, plug in's, Effects generators .... etc ..

what is it you want to do .. Cut exsiting clips? Shoot and Simple straight Cuts for short vids? Long format edits for video or broadcast realise? DVD's or just plain ol' wmv's ..

All these things I have mention will have a bearing on the type of system you need ...

billywatson · 12-10-2003, 10:27 PM

i'd have to disagree -- a bit -- with vidvicious. Premiere is most than editing...I can convert my edited files to a zillion different formats, and with plug-ins, a zillion more. I've never used other editing software, only heard stuff, and from what I've heard, I stick with Adobe....

I shoot miniDV. I like it. But again, I dunno any different, really....

And whatever you do, get a 3 chip camera.

mrthumbs · 12-10-2003, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by billywatson
i'd have to disagree -- a bit -- with vidvicious. Premiere is most than editing...I can convert my edited files to a zillion different formats, and with plug-ins, a zillion more. I've never used other editing software, only heard stuff, and from what I've heard, I stick with Adobe....

I shoot miniDV. I like it. But again, I dunno any different, really....

And whatever you do, get a 3 chip camera.

hit me up on icq if you have a sec 160272407

vidvicious · 12-10-2003, 10:30 PM

without a real time card .. premier is nothing but an edit platform ... and can be used on many different systems .. I'm not puttin gdone premier .. Personally I love it .. I'm just making the seperation between an edit platform and an edit suite .. anyone with a P2 can run some version of premier ...

billywatson · 12-10-2003, 10:33 PM

Time card? Vid Card? I'm using my Dell with the card that came in it, and I'm cool...

what do you mean by time card??

fsfaz · 12-10-2003, 10:34 PM

The real pro's use Avid's on MAC's.

mrthumbs · 12-10-2003, 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by vidvicious

what is it you want to do .. Cut exsiting clips? Shoot and Simple straight Cuts for short vids? Long format edits for video or broadcast realise? DVD's or just plain ol' wmv's ..

All these things I have mention will have a bearing on the type of system you need ...

basicly i want to fuck around. so there is no proffesional goal (yet)
just want to get things going and play with all aspects. serious aspects to get used to it without any of the usual 'startup' concessions.

At this stage i have a decent cam that meets my requirements
now i need the gear and software to get some action out of it.

So basicly i want the perfect setting to fuck around and dont want
to do addiotional purchases/replacements by the time i get serious. always hate that. Does that make sense?

vidvicious · 12-10-2003, 10:35 PM

here learn something http://www.matrox.com/imaging/products/home.cfm

http://www.matrox.com/mga/workstation/video/home.cfm

vidvicious · 12-10-2003, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mrthumbs

basicly i want to fuck around. so there is no proffesional goal (yet)
just want to get things going and play with all aspects. serious aspects to get used to it without any of the usual 'startup' concessions.

At this stage i have a decent cam that meets my requirements
now i need the gear and software to get some action out of it.

So basicly i want the perfect setting to fuck around and dont want
to do addiotional purchases/replacements by the time i get serious. always hate that. Does that make sense?

Simple then .. a p4 with min of 512 ram and 120 drive .. Premier would be good .. but i fyou don't know editing a goodstarter program is Videowave or Veags 4 ..

A p4 should have a good graphics card .. and IEE 6 pin in (fire wire)

billywatson · 12-10-2003, 10:37 PM

I know about those matrox cards, and brotha, I gotta tell ya...my work stands up just fine with the $1,000 add on...

www.spunkmouth.net

billywatson · 12-10-2003, 10:39 PM

i meant to say WITHOUT the $1,000 card....

vidvicious · 12-10-2003, 10:40 PM

try Divx as a codecs .. it's much better then wmv much less of a break up in compression

JSA Matt · 12-10-2003, 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by fsfaz
The real pro's use Avid's on MAC's.

http://www.avid.com/products/xpressdv/

chowda · 12-10-2003, 10:42 PM

so hi8 is not the way to go it seems then?

billywatson · 12-10-2003, 10:43 PM

Premeire lets me spit it out in MPEG1, 2, DVD, CVD, SVCD, DivX, and a bunch of other formats....I've tweeked it, but I'm always learning...my partner last night set me up with DivX 4.12 as a matter of fact....

I think this is a good thread...not much on this stuff, and it's fucking tricky

billywatson · 12-10-2003, 10:45 PM

I know about the Mac thing, too...and people who are editing swear by Mac...but I just can't do it.

No way. My shit does the job just fine, and while Premiere does lock up from time to time, I'm still hanging with it...

vidvicious · 12-10-2003, 10:52 PM

actually the mac platform .. Final cut pro .. is an awsome system .. has much more real time features then premier. such as disolves and wipes ... A g4 is a great set up .. add a RTMAC card and you're spiting out broadcast quality

vidvicious · 12-10-2003, 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by billywatson
I know about the Mac thing, too...and people who are editing swear by Mac...but I just can't do it.

No way. My shit does the job just fine, and while Premiere does lock up from time to time, I'm still hanging with it...

use it till it's broke I always say ..
BTW Premeir on my P4 with a simple Osprey card for analog ins does me fine .. how ever I have heard some great things about DVXpress .. Gonna have to look into that one of these days ..

billywatson · 12-10-2003, 10:56 PM

yea, i dunno about analog in's at all...thank goodness. are you pulling in shit from old vid tapes or something???

billywatson · 12-10-2003, 10:58 PM

Quote:

actually the mac platform .. Final cut pro .. is an awsome system .. has much more real time features then premier. such as disolves and wipes

i'll always say this loud, and i'll say it proud:

dude, we're PORNOGRAPHERS...not artists...LOL

Peace.

SoundMan · 12-10-2003, 11:45 PM

Sony "vegas" sofware recieved better reviews then premier:

mrthumbs · 12-11-2003, 12:00 AM

thanks for the suberb input: billy, bhutocracy and vidvicious

Pornwolf · 12-11-2003, 12:02 AM

Vegas is just as powerful as premiere, it renders faster and it's easier to use. We don't do incredible movie quality effects so it's really more important to use something that's easy to learn and master.

dicknixon · 12-11-2003, 12:08 AM

I use a dual xeon 2.4 with 1.5 GB & scsi 320

If you use the right encoders, you can really speed things up with multiple processors. Or even for codecs like xvid (that only uses one) . . I render like 5 - 6 scenes at once. If you set your processor affinity correctly, it is quite productive.

I have a supermicro X5DA8 . . . a dual processor box is cheaper than you'd think . .

Oh . .and for an editing package. . (especially for porn vids), Vegas can't be beat because of the little resources (in comparison to premier) it uses . . not to mention it's ability to run multiple instances flawlesly.

SGS · 12-11-2003, 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by vidvicious
try Divx as a codecs .. it's much better then wmv much less of a break up in compression

And subscribers hate it

Mikey_219Inc · 12-11-2003, 05:33 AM

firewire into premiere ... chop and render ... bada bing.

i recommend huffyyuv codec for avi ... and a couple big fast hard drives wouldnt hurt. I switched my memory to rambus and that speeds up the rendering a bit ...

erraticimpact · 12-11-2003, 06:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mrthumbs
What outboard gear and software (pc) do you recommend
for video editting? Budget is not an issue (although it should be reasonable).

And whats the best hardware/convertor to hookup an XL1S ?

How do the pro's work it?

Check out Pinnacle Systems --> http://www.pinnaclesys.com/

johnbosh · 12-11-2003, 06:09 AM

Nbritte · 12-11-2003, 06:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by vidvicious
try Divx as a codecs .. it's much better then wmv much less of a break up in compression

What happens when you use Divx and most of your surfers dont have the codec installed? Think about it they get a trial membership say 5 days spend 1 day trying to figure out why the movies dont work another day trying to get support a third day getting the codec installed and their 4th day canceling and going someplace they dont have to upgrade their system to have access to movies.just my

Nbritt

NoAngel · 12-11-2003, 06:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pornwolf
Vegas is just as powerful as premiere, it renders faster and it's easier to use. We don't do incredible movie quality effects so it's really more important to use something that's easy to learn and master.

Aza · 12-11-2003, 06:37 AM

Quote:

try Divx as a codecs .. it's much better then wmv much less of a break up in compression

Yeah, but watch out when DivX contact you asking for licencing fees for using their codecs. They wanted a stupid amount of money depending on how many members we had etc etc, we stopped using divx right after that

chowda · 12-11-2003, 01:49 PM

ncie thread

Anothers · 12-11-2003, 02:30 PM

like vidvicious sad

stick to something like good matrox video card and premiere

you will have REAL TIME video effects in premiere
(with normal video cards you will always i mean ALWAYS have NOT REAL TIME video effects - delay will only depend on your computer speed)

and with proper video card you can even make tapes ready for tv stations (BETA) offcourse you will need betavideorecorder for this

SGS · 12-11-2003, 02:33 PM

The best video advice comes from Quiet.

He is the number one guy in this field.

12-10-2003, 10:09 PM	#1
mrthumbs salad tossing sig guy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: mrthumbs*gmail.com Posts: 11,702	ultimate video editting setup? What outboard gear and software (pc) do you recommend for video editting? Budget is not an issue (although it should be reasonable). And whats the best hardware/convertor to hookup an XL1S ? How do the pro's work it?

12-10-2003, 10:10 PM	#2
billywatson Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Valley o' Smut. Posts: 3,281	i shoot with a GL2 and edit/convert it all with Premiere. The only way to go, my friend. __________________ We're Fabulous! PROTECT YOUR CONTENT on Twitter I Shoot Porn.

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billywatson Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Valley o' Smut. Posts: 3,281	lighter....really. i shot 2nd camera with an XL1 and by the end of the day my arm felt like it was about to fall off. i wouldn't call myself a wizard...yet. __________________ We're Fabulous! PROTECT YOUR CONTENT on Twitter I Shoot Porn.

12-10-2003, 10:16 PM	#7
billywatson Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Valley o' Smut. Posts: 3,281	Premiere is a resource hog, but I love it. How about instead of throwing up a stupid laffer you offer up some more advice, fucktard? __________________ We're Fabulous! PROTECT YOUR CONTENT on Twitter I Shoot Porn.

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mrthumbs salad tossing sig guy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: mrthumbs*gmail.com Posts: 11,702	if you're a video wizard hit me up on icq 160272407. i always pay for good advice.

12-10-2003, 10:15 PM	#5
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12-10-2003, 10:23 PM	#9
vidvicious Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 4,765	the type of camera you have has no bearing on the edit suite .. first you need to figure out your present needs and future needs .. only from that point can you determine what type of edit suite would best suit you .. you did ask about hardware/software and bot about platforms right ? Cus Premier is only a platform .. nothing more, nothing less .. it will do what hundreds of other edit platforms will .. when determining your needs take these things into consideration ... Timeline becomes a huge factor when deciding as does, format , output, real time transitions, Real time editing, Compatible codecs, plug in's, Effects generators .... etc .. what is it you want to do .. Cut exsiting clips? Shoot and Simple straight Cuts for short vids? Long format edits for video or broadcast realise? DVD's or just plain ol' wmv's .. All these things I have mention will have a bearing on the type of system you need ... __________________ 3D-VR live webcams Facebook profile "I take pics for the "Casual Encounters" section of Craigslist." Last edited by vidvicious; 12-10-2003 at 10:28 PM..

12-10-2003, 10:27 PM	#10
billywatson Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Valley o' Smut. Posts: 3,281	i'd have to disagree -- a bit -- with vidvicious. Premiere is most than editing...I can convert my edited files to a zillion different formats, and with plug-ins, a zillion more. I've never used other editing software, only heard stuff, and from what I've heard, I stick with Adobe.... I shoot miniDV. I like it. But again, I dunno any different, really.... And whatever you do, get a 3 chip camera. __________________ We're Fabulous! PROTECT YOUR CONTENT on Twitter I Shoot Porn.

12-10-2003, 10:30 PM	#12
vidvicious Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 4,765	without a real time card .. premier is nothing but an edit platform ... and can be used on many different systems .. I'm not puttin gdone premier .. Personally I love it .. I'm just making the seperation between an edit platform and an edit suite .. anyone with a P2 can run some version of premier ... __________________ 3D-VR live webcams Facebook profile "I take pics for the "Casual Encounters" section of Craigslist."

12-10-2003, 10:33 PM	#13
billywatson Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Valley o' Smut. Posts: 3,281	Time card? Vid Card? I'm using my Dell with the card that came in it, and I'm cool... what do you mean by time card?? __________________ We're Fabulous! PROTECT YOUR CONTENT on Twitter I Shoot Porn.

12-10-2003, 10:34 PM	#14
fsfaz Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Hollyweird, CA Posts: 747	The real pro's use Avid's on MAC's.

12-10-2003, 10:35 PM	#16
vidvicious Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 4,765	here learn something http://www.matrox.com/imaging/products/home.cfm http://www.matrox.com/mga/workstation/video/home.cfm __________________ 3D-VR live webcams Facebook profile "I take pics for the "Casual Encounters" section of Craigslist."

12-10-2003, 10:37 PM	#18
billywatson Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Valley o' Smut. Posts: 3,281	I know about those matrox cards, and brotha, I gotta tell ya...my work stands up just fine with the $1,000 add on... www.spunkmouth.net __________________ We're Fabulous! PROTECT YOUR CONTENT on Twitter I Shoot Porn.

12-10-2003, 10:39 PM	#19
billywatson Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Valley o' Smut. Posts: 3,281	i meant to say WITHOUT the $1,000 card.... __________________ We're Fabulous! PROTECT YOUR CONTENT on Twitter I Shoot Porn.

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vidvicious Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 4,765	try Divx as a codecs .. it's much better then wmv much less of a break up in compression __________________ 3D-VR live webcams Facebook profile "I take pics for the "Casual Encounters" section of Craigslist."

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chowda Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Gooch city Posts: 9,527	so hi8 is not the way to go it seems then? __________________ Someone finds you... 2007 PS: Nationalnet is the best host I've ever had. And i tried alot of them.

12-10-2003, 10:43 PM	#23
billywatson Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Valley o' Smut. Posts: 3,281	Premeire lets me spit it out in MPEG1, 2, DVD, CVD, SVCD, DivX, and a bunch of other formats....I've tweeked it, but I'm always learning...my partner last night set me up with DivX 4.12 as a matter of fact.... I think this is a good thread...not much on this stuff, and it's fucking tricky __________________ We're Fabulous! PROTECT YOUR CONTENT on Twitter I Shoot Porn.

12-10-2003, 10:45 PM	#24
billywatson Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Valley o' Smut. Posts: 3,281	I know about the Mac thing, too...and people who are editing swear by Mac...but I just can't do it. No way. My shit does the job just fine, and while Premiere does lock up from time to time, I'm still hanging with it... __________________ We're Fabulous! PROTECT YOUR CONTENT on Twitter I Shoot Porn.

12-10-2003, 10:52 PM	#25
vidvicious Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 4,765	actually the mac platform .. Final cut pro .. is an awsome system .. has much more real time features then premier. such as disolves and wipes ... A g4 is a great set up .. add a RTMAC card and you're spiting out broadcast quality __________________ 3D-VR live webcams Facebook profile "I take pics for the "Casual Encounters" section of Craigslist."

12-10-2003, 10:56 PM	#27
billywatson Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Valley o' Smut. Posts: 3,281	yea, i dunno about analog in's at all...thank goodness. are you pulling in shit from old vid tapes or something??? __________________ We're Fabulous! PROTECT YOUR CONTENT on Twitter I Shoot Porn.

12-10-2003, 11:45 PM	#29
SoundMan So Fucking Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MidWest Posts: 3,471	Sony "vegas" sofware recieved better reviews then premier:

12-11-2003, 12:00 AM	#30
mrthumbs salad tossing sig guy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: mrthumbs*gmail.com Posts: 11,702	thanks for the suberb input: billy, bhutocracy and vidvicious

12-11-2003, 12:02 AM	#31
Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	Vegas is just as powerful as premiere, it renders faster and it's easier to use. We don't do incredible movie quality effects so it's really more important to use something that's easy to learn and master. __________________ I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade... Webair, bitches.

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dicknixon Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Chicago Posts: 548	I use a dual xeon 2.4 with 1.5 GB & scsi 320 If you use the right encoders, you can really speed things up with multiple processors. Or even for codecs like xvid (that only uses one) . . I render like 5 - 6 scenes at once. If you set your processor affinity correctly, it is quite productive. I have a supermicro X5DA8 . . . a dual processor box is cheaper than you'd think . . Oh . .and for an editing package. . (especially for porn vids), Vegas can't be beat because of the little resources (in comparison to premier) it uses . . not to mention it's ability to run multiple instances flawlesly. Last edited by dicknixon; 12-11-2003 at 12:10 AM..

12-11-2003, 05:33 AM	#34
Mikey_219Inc Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: i dont even know ... Posts: 1,876	firewire into premiere ... chop and render ... bada bing. i recommend huffyyuv codec for avi ... and a couple big fast hard drives wouldnt hurt. I switched my memory to rambus and that speeds up the rendering a bit ... __________________ Let him who hath understanding reckon the WISDOM of the TOOF!

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12-11-2003, 01:49 PM	#40
chowda Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Gooch city Posts: 9,527	ncie thread __________________ Someone finds you... 2007 PS: Nationalnet is the best host I've ever had. And i tried alot of them.

12-11-2003, 02:30 PM	#41
Anothers Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Poland Posts: 219	like vidvicious sad stick to something like good matrox video card and premiere you will have REAL TIME video effects in premiere (with normal video cards you will always i mean ALWAYS have NOT REAL TIME video effects - delay will only depend on your computer speed) and with proper video card you can even make tapes ready for tv stations (BETA) offcourse you will need betavideorecorder for this

12-11-2003, 02:33 PM	#42
SGS Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mallorca - Nottingham Posts: 5,176	The best video advice comes from Quiet. He is the number one guy in this field. __________________ See sig...