If you have ever bought traffic from anyone...... - GoFuckYourself.com

Choker · 12-10-2003, 06:03 AM

Please review the broker you bought traffic from here http://www.findtrades.com/brokers.shtml
If the broker is not on the list submit his site please. Instead of making another program for this I just added it to findtrades since so many people already have accounts there. You are allowed to make a review of each type of traffic each broker has. If you are a broker and your site is not here please submit it. I will be throwing a lot of webmaster traffic to this page, so it's free advertising. I designed this system so the guys who buy traffic can rate each broker. While I normally DO NOT censor anything, reviews like "Fucking Dumbass" will be deleted. but a review like "This guy is a dumbass because he could not send me the right traffic that I asked for" is fine. thanks

skillfull · 12-10-2003, 06:06 AM

nice page

queer · 12-10-2003, 06:08 AM

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Originally posted by skillfull
nice page

Big sig

chemicaleyes · 12-10-2003, 06:16 AM

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Originally posted by queer

Big sig

with wrong url in banner "http://www.platinumbucksbucks.com/?revid=12403"

Zappu · 12-10-2003, 06:57 AM

Can you probably make also some notes or a category for which main niches they will offer traffic or for which niches they are good for? This will make the searching easier

Dusen · 12-10-2003, 06:59 AM

Choker, you still selling those spots on your pages?

johnbosh · 12-10-2003, 07:06 AM

nice as always choker

Choker · 12-10-2003, 07:19 AM

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Originally posted by Zappu
Can you probably make also some notes or a category for which main niches they will offer traffic or for which niches they are good for? This will make the searching easier

Well, I have what type of traffic they have. To list each niche times the types of traffic they have would be jsut too much. The page links directly to their sites, where you can get this info. I don't want to weigh the page down with too much info.

Choker · 12-10-2003, 07:25 AM

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Originally posted by Dusen
Choker, you still selling those spots on your pages?

Absolutely not. This will be a totally unbiased system. Whatever broker gets the most high reviews will be listed at top, then 2 nd etc. Each broker is rated on a scale of 1 to 10 and the numbers are averaged out and ranked accordingly.

10 - Best damned traffic that I have ever bought.
09 - Very good traffic. Definately recommended.
08 - Good traffic for the money. I will definately buy again.
07 - Good traffic for the money. I will probably buy again.
06 - Decent traffic. Not sure if I will buy again.
05 - OK traffic, nothing to write home about.
04 - Not very good traffic. I will probably not buy again.
03 - Not a good deal for the money. I will not buy again.
02 - Terrible traffic. I do not recomend this.
01 - Absolute shit. STAY AWAY.

If you wanted to advertise on this site the banner spot at the top of the page is sold thru chickenbanners. Other than that there will be no paid listings on this page. I want to keep it fair and unbiased.

richard · 12-10-2003, 07:51 AM

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Originally posted by Choker

Absolutely not. This will be a totally unbiased system. Whatever broker gets the most high reviews will be listed at top, then 2 nd etc. Each broker is rated on a scale of 1 to 10 and the numbers are averaged out and ranked accordingly.

10 - Best damned traffic that I have ever bought.
09 - Very good traffic. Definately recommended.
08 - Good traffic for the money. I will definately buy again.
07 - Good traffic for the money. I will probably buy again.
06 - Decent traffic. Not sure if I will buy again.
05 - OK traffic, nothing to write home about.
04 - Not very good traffic. I will probably not buy again.
03 - Not a good deal for the money. I will not buy again.
02 - Terrible traffic. I do not recomend this.
01 - Absolute shit. STAY AWAY.

If you wanted to advertise on this site the banner spot at the top of the page is sold thru chickenbanners. Other than that there will be no paid listings on this page. I want to keep it fair and unbiased.

If I buy traffic from Broker X, isn't it counter productive for me to say to my competition "hey, i buy traffic from Broker X, and get a 200% ROI!" ?

creamycherries · 12-10-2003, 07:53 AM

cool page, thanks

Choker · 12-10-2003, 08:17 AM

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Originally posted by richard

If I buy traffic from Broker X, isn't it counter productive for me to say to my competition "hey, i buy traffic from Broker X, and get a 200% ROI!" ?

No it is not. There are so many brokers and so many buyers, unless 90% of the reviews gave one certain broker a rating of 10 every time, this would not affect the overall big picture. I am going to heavily promote this page. I hope it becomes a standard for buyers to use when looking to buy from brokers. the number of reviews of each broker will also clue buyers into what brokers just started selling recently. This is VERY important I think.

Choker · 12-10-2003, 09:16 AM

http://www.findtrades.com/brokers.shtml

Only one review? sigh. All the bitching and moaning about traffic brokers here, I make a site where guys opinions of traffic brokers can actually make a difference and nobody participates.

4Pics · 12-10-2003, 10:23 AM

it would help if I could review a broker from this page

http://www.findtrades.com/brokers.shtml

When I click the review count # which is 0 for chickentraffic, it should ask me if I want to review this person.

I ain't gonna fucking hunt around to give a review. Make it easy and I will.

FireFoz · 12-10-2003, 11:06 AM

Nice idea

Choker · 12-10-2003, 02:41 PM

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Originally posted by 4Pics
it would help if I could review a broker from this page

http://www.findtrades.com/brokers.shtml

When I click the review count # which is 0 for chickentraffic, it should ask me if I want to review this person.

I ain't gonna fucking hunt around to give a review. Make it easy and I will.

If you don't have a account at fintrades there is a link on that page to signup. when you login then you can make a review. I am not going to make it so guys can make a review without logging in. If I did then guys would make tons of bullshit reviews. By having a login to findtrades it limits each guy to making one review about each brokers specific niche of traffic.

Kick Ass Chat · 12-10-2003, 02:49 PM

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Originally posted by Choker
http://www.findtrades.com/brokers.shtml

Only one review? sigh. All the bitching and moaning about traffic brokers here, I make a site where guys opinions of traffic brokers can actually make a difference and nobody participates.

Maybe that should tell you something???.....You may think it's a good idea, but not to many other people do??...

Dusen · 12-10-2003, 02:55 PM

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Originally posted by Choker

Absolutely not. This will be a totally unbiased system. Whatever broker gets the most high reviews will be listed at top, then 2 nd etc. Each broker is rated on a scale of 1 to 10 and the numbers are averaged out and ranked accordingly.

10 - Best damned traffic that I have ever bought.
09 - Very good traffic. Definately recommended.
08 - Good traffic for the money. I will definately buy again.
07 - Good traffic for the money. I will probably buy again.
06 - Decent traffic. Not sure if I will buy again.
05 - OK traffic, nothing to write home about.
04 - Not very good traffic. I will probably not buy again.
03 - Not a good deal for the money. I will not buy again.
02 - Terrible traffic. I do not recomend this.
01 - Absolute shit. STAY AWAY.

If you wanted to advertise on this site the banner spot at the top of the page is sold thru chickenbanners. Other than that there will be no paid listings on this page. I want to keep it fair and unbiased.

Haha, I actually meant those links you were selling on your main pages some time ago.

SleazyDream · 12-10-2003, 02:58 PM

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Originally posted by Choker

Absolutely not. This will be a totally unbiased system. Whatever broker gets the most high reviews will be listed at top, then 2 nd etc. Each broker is rated on a scale of 1 to 10 and the numbers are averaged out and ranked accordingly.

10 - Best damned traffic that I have ever bought.
09 - Very good traffic. Definately recommended.
08 - Good traffic for the money. I will definately buy again.
07 - Good traffic for the money. I will probably buy again.
06 - Decent traffic. Not sure if I will buy again.
05 - OK traffic, nothing to write home about.
04 - Not very good traffic. I will probably not buy again.
03 - Not a good deal for the money. I will not buy again.
02 - Terrible traffic. I do not recomend this.
01 - Absolute shit. STAY AWAY.

If you wanted to advertise on this site the banner spot at the top of the page is sold thru chickenbanners. Other than that there will be no paid listings on this page. I want to keep it fair and unbiased.

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what's to stop someone from faking the reviews?

slapass · 12-10-2003, 02:59 PM

no cybercat?

camsource · 12-10-2003, 03:31 PM

Good point.

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Originally posted by GirlsFreePics

Maybe that should tell you something???.....You may think it's a good idea, but not to many other people do??...

Choker · 12-10-2003, 03:34 PM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream
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what's to stop someone from faking the reviews?

nothing, but you have to signup for a account at findtrades and you can only submit one review per each brokers niche. IE if a broker sells 404 and exit traffic, you can submit one review for his exit traffic and one for his 404 traffic

Choker · 12-10-2003, 03:40 PM

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Originally posted by GirlsFreePics

Maybe that should tell you something???.....You may think it's a good idea, but not to many other people do??...

Coming from a anon with no original ideas of his own. Your opinion is not even worth 2 cents. Instead of attacking EVERYTHING I do, why don't you just GFY.

Dravyk · 12-10-2003, 04:00 PM

Nice idea, Choker!

This thread is worth a bump.

Choker · 12-10-2003, 04:30 PM

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Originally posted by slapass
no cybercat?

Not sure how to do Cybercat. I can't list them on this page as "Cybercat" because then guys would make a review on Cybercat and maybe the traffic is from Sleazy, maybe someone else. Maybe I can list the sites that Cyber Cat resells for and then link those sites to Cybercats ad page? that way guys can make reviews about the traffic from each of Cyber Cats clients, yet when they click on that clients site on this page they go to Cybercats site? What is cybercats main url anyway? thanks

Adult Site Traffic · 12-10-2003, 05:36 PM

Ok, let me stick my foot in my mouth to help get started. Can you still hear me?

Good.

First off, let me say I think this is a bad idea from a good businessman. If you wanna comment on it, read and absorb what I have to say.

No, I don't have any reviews. That's not what this is about. However, this page certainly isn't about traffic quality either.

I'm not gonna take any dog piling on this one, so if you ppl reading this don't like what I say, then that's your prerogative just like stating this is mine.

Ok, with that said lets get to the part about why I think this is a bad idea.

This is a bad idea for so many reasons I don't even know where to begin.

1) Lot of people don't even know what the hell they're buying. I have people who buy Geo/IP and call it "generic" or "404". People ask me all they can use their own description for my 404 traffic, or if I have any clicked exit traffic for sale or that they want exit popunder. How am I going to let these people review my traffic when they don't even know what they're buying?

2) They're site converts at 1:500. This traffic doesn't come close. That right there makes it shit traffic in 90% of buyers minds. I have large clients who when I start asking them about retention, conversion and CB ratio, they have not a clue what I'm talking about or how to get and use that data. If someone tells me this traffic is converting for their site at 1:10,000, they're usually pissed when they say it.

What? Lemme see, the traffic converts at 1:10/k, cost them say $30.00, they retain on average for 2.5 and their membership is $29.00, how is that junk traffic?

90% of buyers have no idea what to do with traffic, it converts at say 1:10,000, garbage in their mind, and most of them don't even have numbers to work against.

Then reviews like, productivity was OK, but he sent 90% Brazilian traffic". HELLO ! That's what he sells, but that review makes it look like the client feels ripped off because he got Brazil. That's what he bought !

A client of mine told me today that this site was built to make Choker look better. He told me that Choker's traffic wasn't any good. Wait, what? I use it myself, it works great for me. Know why? I know what to do with it. This client has been with me for a year, and he obviously knows what to do with my traffic.
Just because he doesn't know what to do with chicken traffic and *thinks* it's just crap, sure as hell doesn't make it true.

Another review, "Not a good deal for the money. I will not buy again." . What makes it so? I personally know that traffic is decent. What did that guy do with it? DID he buy clicked, or was it exit? Did he buy anything ? Maybe, maybe not. Where did he send it?

In conclusion, and I could go on and on.. This site has nothing at all to do with traffic quality really, except maybe from the 10% who are qualified to intelligently comment on traffic.

This site ONLY has to do with the way individuals feel they're qualified to handle bought traffic. The traffic they purchase is only as good at the are qualified to handle it. 90% of buyers are not.

Didn't even take into consideration all of the people I could contact to go in and give me all 10's and maybe give Pat all 1's, the people who never bought anything, or the people who just want to create a review, or the people who are pissed for one reason or another.

Ok. Flame me, I'm sure no other brokers care to post, but I've talked to some of them. This isn't a positive thing in some people's opinion.

I quote an anonymous source: " This is just a shooting gallery for brokers".

Pete · 12-10-2003, 05:52 PM

Not sure where you will benefit from this but I think its good for webmasters buying traffic and good for brokers who sell good traffic.

Choker · 12-10-2003, 05:56 PM

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Originally posted by Adult Site Traffic
Ok, let me stick my foot in my mouth to help get started. Can you still hear me?

Good.

First off, let me say I think this is a bad idea from a good businessman. If you wanna comment on it, read and absorb what I have to say.

No, I don't have any reviews. That's not what this is about. However, this page certainly isn't about traffic quality either.

I'm not gonna take any dog piling on this one, so if you ppl reading this don't like what I say, then that's your prerogative just like stating this is mine.

Ok, with that said lets get to the part about why I think this is a bad idea.

This is a bad idea for so many reasons I don't even know where to begin.

1) Lot of people don't even know what the hell they're buying. I have people who buy Geo/IP and call it "generic" or "404". People ask me all they can use their own description for my 404 traffic, or if I have any clicked exit traffic for sale or that they want exit popunder. How am I going to let these people review my traffic when they don't even know what they're buying?

2) They're site converts at 1:500. This traffic doesn't come close. That right there makes it shit traffic in 90% of buyers minds. I have large clients who when I start asking them about retention, conversion and CB ratio, they have not a clue what I'm talking about or how to get and use that data. If someone tells me this traffic is converting for their site at 1:10,000, they're usually pissed when they say it.

What? Lemme see, the traffic converts at 1:10/k, cost them say $30.00, they retain on average for 2.5 and their membership is $29.00, how is that junk traffic?

90% of buyers have no idea what to do with traffic, it converts at say 1:10,000, garbage in their mind, and most of them don't even have numbers to work against.

Then reviews like, productivity was OK, but he sent 90% Brazilian traffic". HELLO ! That's what he sells, but that review makes it look like the client feels ripped off because he got Brazil. That's what he bought !

A client of mine told me today that this site was built to make Choker look better. He told me that Choker's traffic wasn't any good. Wait, what? I use it myself, it works great for me. Know why? I know what to do with it. This client has been with me for a year, and he obviously knows what to do with my traffic.
Just because he doesn't know what to do with chicken traffic and *thinks* it's just crap, sure as hell doesn't make it true.

Another review, "Not a good deal for the money. I will not buy again." . What makes it so? I personally know that traffic is decent. What did that guy do with it? DID he buy clicked, or was it exit? Did he buy anything ? Maybe, maybe not. Where did he send it?

In conclusion, and I could go on and on.. This site has nothing at all to do with traffic quality really, except maybe from the 10% who are qualified to intelligently comment on traffic.

This site ONLY has to do with the way individuals feel they're qualified to handle bought traffic. The traffic they purchase is only as good at the are qualified to handle it. 90% of buyers are not.

Didn't even take into consideration all of the people I could contact to go in and give me all 10's and maybe give Pat all 1's, the people who never bought anything, or the people who just want to create a review, or the people who are pissed for one reason or another.

Ok. Flame me, I'm sure no other brokers care to post, but I've talked to some of them. This isn't a positive thing in some people's opinion.

I quote an anonymous source: " This is just a shooting gallery for brokers".

I admit I do have other motives for doing this (later not yet) but to make me look better is DEFINATELY not one of them. I will include everyone who sells traffic, I will not sell spots or edit reviews(unless if they just make no sense at all)

Like you I realize that many buyers do not understand what they are doing. but when each traffic brokers has 100 plus reviews, don't you think the reviews will averge out enough to give a buyer going to this page a general feel of each broker? I am open to ideas on this page

Adult Site Traffic · 12-10-2003, 06:03 PM

I know you didn't. Lot of people can say a lot of things, but Choker being self serving is rarely one of them.

I do think it'll average out, over time, but I hardly think it'll be on the merits of the traffic. I strongly feel it will be based more on whether or not it was handled correctly.

Just like that spotbrokers review. I have never used Kimmy's traffic.

I can take that traffic and make money on it somehow, I guarantee that.

Just as I make 900% on your traffic, and people tell me I'm full of shit.

Choker · 12-10-2003, 06:21 PM

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Originally posted by Adult Site Traffic
I know you didn't. Lot of people can say a lot of things, but Choker being self serving is rarely one of them.

I do think it'll average out, over time, but I hardly think it'll be on the merits of the traffic. I strongly feel it will be based more on whether or not it was handled correctly.

Just like that spotbrokers review. I have never used Kimmy's traffic.

I can take that traffic and make money on it somehow, I guarantee that.

Just as I make 900% on your traffic, and people tell me I'm full of shit.

Well what do you suggest? We have to do soemthing about all these guys we never heard of all of a sudden coming on the scene, selling newbies hitbot traffic and then dispaearing. This gives all traffic brokers a bad rep.

BTW I added Cybercats clients individually, but linked them all to cybercats site http://www.findtrades.com/brokers.shtml

Adult Site Traffic · 12-10-2003, 06:31 PM

You're right about false brokers.

Ok. I know of some real shiners. I suppose it's OK if I add them, and we'll run with it for a while I guess.

Also, I sure can't bitch about hard linked url to my site.

Rivux · 12-10-2003, 07:13 PM

What would be really helpful is if you asked questions based on facts that we can then use to evaluate whether you want to buy that traffic. For instance ask questions like what percentage of the traffic came from which countries, how long did it take for the traffic to be delivered, how long did it take for the account to be setup etc. These are questions that can be helpful to a buyer.

wargames · 12-10-2003, 07:14 PM

very cool idea choker

Choker · 12-10-2003, 08:43 PM

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Originally posted by Rivux
What would be really helpful is if you asked questions based on facts that we can then use to evaluate whether you want to buy that traffic. For instance ask questions like what percentage of the traffic came from which countries, how long did it take for the traffic to be delivered, how long did it take for the account to be setup etc. These are questions that can be helpful to a buyer.

Yeah but then I would run into the problem of too much info, and guys would be confused. BTW thanks to everyone that is supporting this. Starting to get some reviews in now. I think this will work.

slapass · 12-10-2003, 09:41 PM

Nice way to handle Cybercat.

The cool thing is it really highlights traffic sellers that you never would have heard of.

Choker · 12-10-2003, 09:51 PM

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Originally posted by slapass
Nice way to handle Cybercat.

The cool thing is it really highlights traffic sellers that you never would have heard of.

Thanks. I really want to stress that I will not show any bias towards any broker whatsoever. Hell I even added that piece of shit Gary from sex.com to this page http://www.findtrades.com/brokers.shtml

Adult Site Traffic · 12-11-2003, 10:38 AM

Here's one of the reason's this isn't gonna work out.

http://www.findtrades.com/comments.p...&type=popunder

Rating his own traffic, and claiming that I recommended it. Pretty much a scammer, ask any broker who knows anything about him.

Here's his site: http://www.e-webtraffic.com/ and here's his wild ass claims of this unbelievable traffic.
http://board.adultinsider.com/showth...&threadid=7711

Now, please tell me what stops this kid from getting a new nic every day and posting whatever he pleases about himself or anyone? I know I'm on his list, and he's not too fond of Pat and probably Carlos too.

Choker · 12-11-2003, 10:57 AM

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Originally posted by Adult Site Traffic
Here's one of the reason's this isn't gonna work out.

http://www.findtrades.com/comments.p...&type=popunder

Rating his own traffic, and claiming that I recommended it. Pretty much a scammer, ask any broker who knows anything about him.

Here's his site: http://www.e-webtraffic.com/ and here's his wild ass claims of this unbelievable traffic.
http://board.adultinsider.com/showth...&threadid=7711

Now, please tell me what stops this kid from getting a new nic every day and posting whatever he pleases about himself or anyone? I know I'm on his list, and he's not too fond of Pat and probably Carlos too.

I will stop him from making a new post everyday if he is indeed doing this

Adult Site Traffic · 12-11-2003, 11:18 AM

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Originally posted by Choker

I will stop him from making a new post everyday if he is indeed doing this

The point was, it's a false post. The only reason I know that is .. I know this guy, I know he'd do it, and I sure as hell didn't recommend him.

That's the only reason I'd know. Anyone could do the same and be pretty much undetected if they were careful. This guy doesn't have enough sense to be undetected.

Nuff said, and that was my

V_RocKs · 12-11-2003, 11:29 AM

Thanks for adding checks and balances to the equation bro!

Now make one of these for sponsor ratings!

Phrona · 12-11-2003, 12:07 PM

pretty fast growing page! I was there a day ago and there were just several brokers... now there is a shitload of them!

Adult Site Traffic · 12-11-2003, 01:11 PM

Carlos' hyperlinked URL is wrong.

sexzity.com

Choker · 12-11-2003, 01:23 PM

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Originally posted by Adult Site Traffic
Carlos' hyperlinked URL is wrong.

sexzity.com

Fixed

gkremen · 12-11-2003, 02:23 PM

Hell I even added that piece of shit Gary from sex.com
******

What a FINE Christian youth you are Chucker! Did you pick up this attitude before or after, BY YOUR OWN STATEMENTS," started neglecting your family to focus on your selling on robot, Iranian and Indian traffic to the unsuspecting?

Choker · 12-11-2003, 02:26 PM

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Originally posted by gkremen
Hell I even added that piece of shit Gary from sex.com
******

What a FINE Christian youth you are Chucker! Did you pick up this attitude before or after, BY YOUR OWN STATEMENTS," started neglecting your family to focus on your selling on robot, Iranian and Indian traffic to the unsuspecting?

Well well well. The worm finally crawled out from under his rock. How are you doing Gary? Bet you don't have 22 employees or 50 servers anymore , do you PUNK? Your spam here on GFY sure came to a screeching halt. ROFLMAO

NaughtyJenn · 12-11-2003, 02:57 PM

i have an idea.. everyone send me test traffic whoever converts the best has the best traffic

(i wish!)

just had to say it :P

gkremen · 12-11-2003, 03:02 PM

Coken having fun in the townhouse. Give it up and leave business to those in business not those that act like children (of whom you should home with given you are a single parent). I would keep them away for gun shows and the post office, bitch.

gkremen · 12-11-2003, 03:08 PM

How about we pick some sites: German general site, US Gay site and Greek general site. We bet the equity in your townhouse - I will bond it and the winner get the goodies

dig420 · 12-11-2003, 03:16 PM

AdultSiteTraffic, why don't you just make sure you disclose to your customers EXACTLY what they're buying and how it usually performs on a decent paysite? Then you won't have to worry so much about them thinking they're buying one thing when they're actually buying something completely different.

You have 'large' clients who don't what a chargeback is? I find that very very difficult to believe. NOBODY gets to be 'large' in this business without acquiring certain key knowledge along the way in including the definition of a chargeback.

Choker · 12-11-2003, 03:41 PM

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Originally posted by gkremen
Coken having fun in the townhouse. Give it up and leave business to those in business not those that act like children (of whom you should home with given you are a single parent). I would keep them away for gun shows and the post office, bitch.

Coken having fun hmm, now I understand why your posts make no sense at all. Gary why don't you spare yourself from looking like the blundering fool that you are. And for crying out loud get your ass to a NA meeting man. Call your sponsor or something before it's too late.

12-10-2003, 06:03 AM	#1
Choker Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Orlando Posts: 9,024	If you have ever bought traffic from anyone...... Please review the broker you bought traffic from here http://www.findtrades.com/brokers.shtml If the broker is not on the list submit his site please. Instead of making another program for this I just added it to findtrades since so many people already have accounts there. You are allowed to make a review of each type of traffic each broker has. If you are a broker and your site is not here please submit it. I will be throwing a lot of webmaster traffic to this page, so it's free advertising. I designed this system so the guys who buy traffic can rate each broker. While I normally DO NOT censor anything, reviews like "Fucking Dumbass" will be deleted. but a review like "This guy is a dumbass because he could not send me the right traffic that I asked for" is fine. thanks __________________ ICQ me lets make a deal 116894466 Need dating, cam, or tube traffic? I got it.http://http://www.chokertraffic.com The Original http://www.chokertraffic.com/ Premium country pop-unders from $1.50 per k. I challenge you to compare this traffic to any other brokers. http://www.chokertraffic.com/public/tabs.php?t=o

12-10-2003, 06:06 AM	#2
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12-10-2003, 06:57 AM	#5
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12-10-2003, 06:59 AM	#6
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12-10-2003, 09:16 AM	#13
Choker Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Orlando Posts: 9,024	http://www.findtrades.com/brokers.shtml Only one review? sigh. All the bitching and moaning about traffic brokers here, I make a site where guys opinions of traffic brokers can actually make a difference and nobody participates. __________________ ICQ me lets make a deal 116894466 Need dating, cam, or tube traffic? I got it.http://http://www.chokertraffic.com The Original http://www.chokertraffic.com/ Premium country pop-unders from $1.50 per k. I challenge you to compare this traffic to any other brokers. http://www.chokertraffic.com/public/tabs.php?t=o

12-10-2003, 07:06 AM	#7
johnbosh Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Netherlands, Rotterdam Posts: 8,965	nice as always choker

12-10-2003, 07:53 AM	#11
creamycherries Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Washington Posts: 135	cool page, thanks

12-10-2003, 10:23 AM	#14
4Pics Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 7,952	it would help if I could review a broker from this page http://www.findtrades.com/brokers.shtml When I click the review count # which is 0 for chickentraffic, it should ask me if I want to review this person. I ain't gonna fucking hunt around to give a review. Make it easy and I will.

12-10-2003, 11:06 AM	#15
FireFoz Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 480	Nice idea

12-10-2003, 02:59 PM	#20
slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,622	no cybercat?

12-10-2003, 04:00 PM	#24
Dravyk Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Yo, Philly! Posts: 1,202	Nice idea, Choker! This thread is worth a bump. __________________ All Of 'Em

12-10-2003, 05:36 PM	#26
Adult Site Traffic Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: South-East of the Border of Disorder Posts: 5,093	Ok, let me stick my foot in my mouth to help get started. Can you still hear me? Good. First off, let me say I think this is a bad idea from a good businessman. If you wanna comment on it, read and absorb what I have to say. No, I don't have any reviews. That's not what this is about. However, this page certainly isn't about *traffic quality* either. I'm not gonna take any dog piling on this one, so if you ppl reading this don't like what I say, then that's your prerogative just like stating this is mine. Ok, with that said lets get to the part about why I think this is a bad idea. This is a bad idea for so many reasons I don't even know where to begin. 1) Lot of people don't even know what the hell they're buying. I have people who buy Geo/IP and call it "generic" or "404". People ask me all they can use their own description for my 404 traffic, or if I have any clicked exit traffic for sale or that they want exit popunder. How am I going to let these people review my traffic when they don't even know what they're buying? 2) They're site converts at 1:500. This traffic doesn't come close. That right there makes it shit traffic in 90% of buyers minds. I have large clients who when I start asking them about retention, conversion and CB ratio, they have not a clue what I'm talking about or how to get and use that data. If someone tells me this traffic is converting for their site at 1:10,000, they're usually pissed when they say it. What? Lemme see, the traffic converts at 1:10/k, cost them say $30.00, they retain on average for 2.5 and their membership is $29.00, how is that junk traffic? 90% of buyers have no idea what to do with traffic, it converts at say 1:10,000, garbage in their mind, and most of them don't even have numbers to work against. Then reviews like, productivity was OK, but he sent 90% Brazilian traffic". HELLO ! That's what he sells, but that review makes it look like the client feels ripped off because he got Brazil. That's what he bought ! A client of mine told me today that this site was built to make Choker look better. He told me that Choker's traffic wasn't any good. Wait, what? I use it myself, it works great for me. Know why? I know what to do with it. This client has been with me for a year, and he obviously knows what to do with my traffic. Just because he doesn't know what to do with chicken traffic and thinks it's just crap, sure as hell doesn't make it true. Another review, "Not a good deal for the money. I will not buy again." . What makes it so? I personally know that traffic is decent. What did that guy do with it? DID he buy clicked, or was it exit? Did he buy anything ? Maybe, maybe not. Where did he send it? In conclusion, and I could go on and on.. This site has nothing at all to do with traffic quality really, except maybe from the 10% who are qualified to intelligently comment on traffic. This site ONLY has to do with the way individuals feel they're qualified to handle bought traffic. The traffic they purchase is only as good at the are qualified to handle it. 90% of buyers are not. Didn't even take into consideration all of the people I could contact to go in and give me all 10's and maybe give Pat all 1's, the people who never bought anything, or the people who just want to create a review, or the people who are pissed for one reason or another. Ok. Flame me, I'm sure no other brokers care to post, but I've talked to some of them. This isn't a positive thing in some people's opinion. I quote an anonymous source: " This is just a shooting gallery for brokers". __________________ ALL Domains and Websites are GOING AWAY NOW! Ask me! Many great domains, mainstream and adult, some complete sites with databases, some names with traffic and PR, some investment quality names. Come take a look! { Traffic Orders: Please go here } .:: SHARPEN the Elite - BURN the leftovers! Ooh-Rah!! ::.

12-10-2003, 05:52 PM	#27
Pete Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Mr. Rogers Neighborhood Posts: 6,617	Not sure where you will benefit from this but I think its good for webmasters buying traffic and good for brokers who sell good traffic. __________________ Evoke Electronics

12-10-2003, 06:03 PM	#29
Adult Site Traffic Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: South-East of the Border of Disorder Posts: 5,093	I know you didn't. Lot of people can say a lot of things, but Choker being self serving is rarely one of them. I do think it'll average out, over time, but I hardly think it'll be on the merits of the traffic. I strongly feel it will be based more on whether or not it was handled correctly. Just like that spotbrokers review. I have never used Kimmy's traffic. I can take that traffic and make money on it somehow, I guarantee that. Just as I make 900% on your traffic, and people tell me I'm full of shit. __________________ ALL Domains and Websites are GOING AWAY NOW! Ask me! Many great domains, mainstream and adult, some complete sites with databases, some names with traffic and PR, some investment quality names. Come take a look! { Traffic Orders: Please go here } .:: SHARPEN the Elite - BURN the leftovers! Ooh-Rah!! ::.

12-10-2003, 06:31 PM	#31
Adult Site Traffic Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: South-East of the Border of Disorder Posts: 5,093	You're right about false brokers. Ok. I know of some real shiners. I suppose it's OK if I add them, and we'll run with it for a while I guess. Also, I sure can't bitch about hard linked url to my site. __________________ ALL Domains and Websites are GOING AWAY NOW! Ask me! Many great domains, mainstream and adult, some complete sites with databases, some names with traffic and PR, some investment quality names. Come take a look! { Traffic Orders: Please go here } .:: SHARPEN the Elite - BURN the leftovers! Ooh-Rah!! ::.

12-10-2003, 07:13 PM	#32
Rivux Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,026	What would be really helpful is if you asked questions based on facts that we can then use to evaluate whether you want to buy that traffic. For instance ask questions like what percentage of the traffic came from which countries, how long did it take for the traffic to be delivered, how long did it take for the account to be setup etc. These are questions that can be helpful to a buyer. __________________ TrafficHolder.com - Buy/Sell Adult Traffic

12-10-2003, 07:14 PM	#33
wargames Kliris Join Date: May 2003 Location: ca Posts: 10,423	very cool idea choker __________________ ICQ 212-115-582 Email Steve at Vas Media Group .com

12-10-2003, 09:41 PM	#35
slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,622	Nice way to handle Cybercat. The cool thing is it really highlights traffic sellers that you never would have heard of.

12-11-2003, 10:38 AM	#37
Adult Site Traffic Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: South-East of the Border of Disorder Posts: 5,093	Here's one of the reason's this isn't gonna work out. http://www.findtrades.com/comments.p...&type=popunder Rating his own traffic, and claiming that I recommended it. Pretty much a scammer, ask any broker who knows anything about him. Here's his site: http://www.e-webtraffic.com/ and here's his wild ass claims of this unbelievable traffic. http://board.adultinsider.com/showth...&threadid=7711 Now, please tell me what stops this kid from getting a new nic every day and posting whatever he pleases about himself or anyone? I know I'm on his list, and he's not too fond of Pat and probably Carlos too. __________________ ALL Domains and Websites are GOING AWAY NOW! Ask me! Many great domains, mainstream and adult, some complete sites with databases, some names with traffic and PR, some investment quality names. Come take a look! { Traffic Orders: Please go here } .:: SHARPEN the Elite - BURN the leftovers! Ooh-Rah!! ::.

12-11-2003, 11:29 AM	#40
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,409	Thanks for adding checks and balances to the equation bro! Now make one of these for sponsor ratings!

12-11-2003, 12:07 PM	#41
Phrona So Fucking Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 96	pretty fast growing page! I was there a day ago and there were just several brokers... now there is a shitload of them!

12-11-2003, 01:11 PM	#42
Adult Site Traffic Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: South-East of the Border of Disorder Posts: 5,093	Carlos' hyperlinked URL is wrong. sexzity.com __________________ ALL Domains and Websites are GOING AWAY NOW! Ask me! Many great domains, mainstream and adult, some complete sites with databases, some names with traffic and PR, some investment quality names. Come take a look! { Traffic Orders: Please go here } .:: SHARPEN the Elite - BURN the leftovers! Ooh-Rah!! ::.

12-11-2003, 02:23 PM	#44
gkremen Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: With Seth W. in Thailand Posts: 368	Hell I even added that piece of shit Gary from sex.com ****** What a FINE Christian youth you are Chucker! Did you pick up this attitude before or after, BY YOUR OWN STATEMENTS," started neglecting your family to focus on your selling on robot, Iranian and Indian traffic to the unsuspecting? __________________ ICQ 153288107 Contact us at: http://www.grantmedia.com/contact/adteam.html to purchase country specific traffic on a per click, no fraud basis! No need to get Iran and China traffic when you can get it from Google or other of our partners

12-11-2003, 02:57 PM	#46
NaughtyJenn Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 7,355	i have an idea.. everyone send me test traffic whoever converts the best has the best traffic (i wish!) just had to say it :P

12-11-2003, 03:02 PM	#47
gkremen Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: With Seth W. in Thailand Posts: 368	Coken having fun in the townhouse. Give it up and leave business to those in business not those that act like children (of whom you should home with given you are a single parent). I would keep them away for gun shows and the post office, bitch. __________________ ICQ 153288107 Contact us at: http://www.grantmedia.com/contact/adteam.html to purchase country specific traffic on a per click, no fraud basis! No need to get Iran and China traffic when you can get it from Google or other of our partners

12-11-2003, 03:08 PM	#48
gkremen Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: With Seth W. in Thailand Posts: 368	How about we pick some sites: German general site, US Gay site and Greek general site. We bet the equity in your townhouse - I will bond it and the winner get the goodies __________________ ICQ 153288107 Contact us at: http://www.grantmedia.com/contact/adteam.html to purchase country specific traffic on a per click, no fraud basis! No need to get Iran and China traffic when you can get it from Google or other of our partners

12-11-2003, 03:16 PM	#49
dig420 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 9,240	AdultSiteTraffic, why don't you just make sure you disclose to your customers EXACTLY what they're buying and how it usually performs on a decent paysite? Then you won't have to worry so much about them thinking they're buying one thing when they're actually buying something completely different. You have 'large' clients who don't what a chargeback is? I find that very very difficult to believe. NOBODY gets to be 'large' in this business without acquiring certain key knowledge along the way in including the definition of a chargeback.