15 kids killed this week by the US in Afghanistan - GoFuckYourself.com

Digipimp · 12-10-2003, 01:04 AM

So why doesn't this make the news? I thought Saddam was more dangerous than the Taliban, but in Afghanistan they still have A-10 spraying at single suspects and end up killing civilians on the regular. I guess that's because it doesn't get the pub that Iraq does so no one seems to care. But this week trying to kill a couple Taliban suspects the good ol US of A has killed 15 children so far. Way to go King George.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20031210/D7VBCK200.html

BigFish · 12-10-2003, 01:06 AM

Media's definition of a kid: People under 18.

Rich · 12-10-2003, 01:29 AM

You're not allowed to talk about stuff like that in the US. What are you, a terrorist?

Rich · 12-10-2003, 01:30 AM

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Originally posted by BigFish
Media's definition of a kid: People under 18.

Mine too.

johnbosh · 12-10-2003, 01:32 AM

under 18 is not an adult so a kid:D

Joe Citizen · 12-10-2003, 01:33 AM

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Originally posted by BigFish
Media's definition of a kid: People under 18.

Law's definition of a kid: People under 18.

StuartD · 12-10-2003, 01:35 AM

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Originally posted by BigFish
Media's definition of a kid: People under 18.

So what your saying is that if it's a 16 year old civilian getting caught in the hailstorm of US bullets, it's fine... because that innocent civilian isn't considered a kid by your standards.

And if not... see Joe Citizen's post above

Why · 12-10-2003, 01:41 AM

casualties.... thats part of war.

vapewiz · 12-10-2003, 01:53 AM

And if the Taliban was still in control 30 would have died from starvation or been killed for listening to music or some other crazy shit.

Like Why said

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casualties.... thats part of war.

Digipimp · 12-10-2003, 01:56 AM

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Originally posted by cutetwink
And if the Taliban was still in control 30 would have died from starvation or been killed for listening to music or some other crazy shit.

Like Why said

That's a good motto or mantra for our troops in Afghanistan. Hey we only kill half as many kids as the guys before us, what are you bitching about!

BVF · 12-10-2003, 02:07 AM

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Originally posted by Why
casualties.... thats part of war.

that's easy for us to say as we sit behind our computers on our ass and safe from all bombings.

I couldn't imagine a country bombing my neighborhood and seeing people die all around me including family members

Smokey The Bear · 12-10-2003, 03:54 AM

GonePhishing · 12-10-2003, 03:57 AM

61 of our own wounded too! Too many people hurt from both sides... We need out of there. We haven't found shit anyway. This keeps smelling more and more like Viet Nam... Maybe smaller... Maybe slower... But it is starting to stink

bhutocracy · 12-10-2003, 06:14 AM

I loved the CNN headline - "Afghans understand deaths - U.S."

apologist fucks.. even foxnews didn't go that far and didn't try and "manage" the situation.

goBigtime · 12-10-2003, 06:26 AM

To them they are fighting for their lives.

If some other country came here and was killing Americans, I would arm my children as well.

It's obviously not something you WANT to teach them, but it might be something you HAVE to teach them.

bhutocracy · 12-10-2003, 06:35 AM

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Originally posted by goBigtime
To them they are fighting for their lives.

If some other country came here and was killing Americans, I would arm my children as well.

It's obviously not something you WANT to teach them, but it might be something you HAVE to teach them.

these kids weren't armed.. they were playing marbles or some such thing according to AP.

bhutocracy · 12-10-2003, 06:37 AM

But this stuff happens, the thing that got to me more was the media treatment, especially CNN, I mean on tv theres the grieving parents crying and pissed off, and then theres CNN quoting and relying on the army official/spin doctor saying "they understood"..
laughable.

woodman · 12-10-2003, 06:44 AM

Too bad everyone here isn't worried about the kids that die here in the US on a daily basis from hunger, crime, not to mention the thousands that die each year from "mothers" who choose to abort during the 3rd trimester. I guess you can't use them as another news bite to jump on GW.

Raf1 · 12-10-2003, 06:53 AM

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Originally posted by GonePhishing
61 of our own wounded too! Too many people hurt from both sides... We need out of there. We haven't found shit anyway. This keeps smelling more and more like Viet Nam... Maybe smaller... Maybe slower... But it is starting to stink

I agree. US troops should leave...

Roger · 12-10-2003, 06:55 AM

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Originally posted by woodman
Too bad everyone here isn't worried about the kids that die here in the US on a daily basis from hunger, crime, not to mention the thousands that die each year from "mothers" who choose to abort during the 3rd trimester. I guess you can't use them as another news bite to jump on GW.

Actually the cost of the war on Iraq alone could've put a stop to famine and saved millions of lives.

nomorebush · 12-10-2003, 06:57 AM

You won't see this on CNN

Thursday, December 4, 1997
Taleban in Texas for talks on gas pipeline
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/west_asia/37021.stm

BigFish · 12-10-2003, 07:07 AM

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Originally posted by MaskedMan

So what your saying is that if it's a 16 year old civilian getting caught in the hailstorm of US bullets, it's fine... because that innocent civilian isn't considered a kid by your standards.

And if not... see Joe Citizen's post above

No, what I am saying is that the media is trying to dramatize the situation by emphasizing that KIDS died. Any person with common sense knows that Death is part of WAR. A kid dies in Africa every 30 seconds because of Malaria. (http://www.africaonline.com/site/Articles/1,3,48136.jsp) What is your Country doing about that? By the time you finish reading and replying to this post, 2 "KIDS" have died. Do you hear the media going ballistic over that? Is this fact all over the front page news every day? NO!! Why not? Because it doesn't stir up enough controversy among drama queens such as yourselves.

rooster · 12-10-2003, 07:08 AM

the extreme left is about idealism, they have no real world solution.

bhutocracy · 12-10-2003, 07:09 AM

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Originally posted by woodman
Too bad everyone here isn't worried about the kids that die here in the US on a daily basis from hunger, crime, not to mention the thousands that die each year from "mothers" who choose to abort during the 3rd trimester. I guess you can't use them as another news bite to jump on GW.

Too bad thats just an inept deflection of the issue.
comparing the right to decide in abortion to troops killing kids in your name and the international repercussions. lol. nice try though.

BigFish · 12-10-2003, 07:13 AM

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Originally posted by bhutocracy

Too bad thats just an inept deflection of the issue.
comparing the right to decide in abortion to troops killing kids in your name and the international repercussions. lol. nice try though.

An example of a drama queen. You talk as if U.S. soldiers saw "little kids" playing ball and shot them to death for the thrill of it.

woodman · 12-10-2003, 07:15 AM

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Originally posted by bhutocracy

Too bad thats just an inept deflection of the issue.
comparing the right to decide in abortion to troops killing kids in your name and the international repercussions. lol. nice try though.

I used a specific example of the abortion issue to make a point. Why is ok to kill a kid that could live outside the womb in the name of convienence over troops killing kids in our name, as you put it, any different.

All I said is no one here gets on the soapbox about kids dying all over the world unless it fits their political agenda. The death of a kid from a US bullet is no less or more significant than the death of a kid anywhere from a cause that could have been prevented.

bhutocracy · 12-10-2003, 07:15 AM

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Originally posted by Roger

Actually the cost of the war on Iraq alone could've put a stop to famine and saved millions of lives.

uhoh. stop injecting commonsense into rightwing deflection of the issue. When the WMD excuse doesn't work anymore they change their tune to liberation of the people. When innocent kids get shot up, change it from being about the people to "you're not doing anything about these other people" .. it's laughable..
ps. as lame as it is as an attempt, I do actually sponsor a kid in tanzania to stop him from starving and give him an education.
that chagnes from "oh so you support a kid - typical lefty token attempt at the problem - what about all the people in our country starving???"
conveiniently overlooking the fact that the republican party is doing all it can to strip poor people of benefits and measily tax cuts - even veterans!

Roger · 12-10-2003, 07:17 AM

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Originally posted by BigFish

No, what I am saying is that the media is trying to dramatize the situation by emphasizing that KIDS died. Any person with common sense knows that Death is part of WAR. A kid dies in Africa every 30 seconds because of Malaria. (http://www.africaonline.com/site/Articles/1,3,48136.jsp) What is your Country doing about that? By the time you finish reading and replying to this post, 2 "KIDS" have died. Do you hear the media going ballistic over that? Is this fact all over the front page news every day? NO!! Why not? Because it doesn't stir up enough controversy among drama queens such as yourselves.

So if I decide to just go on the streets and fire randomly at kids, it'd be media dramatization? No big deal?

If you're so worried about the kids who die in Africa, then why aren't we helping the countries in Africa such as Congo who are begging for our help and who'd welcome the troops with open arms?

who · 12-10-2003, 07:17 AM

And what exactly are the US fighting for? Freedom?! Of who?

bhutocracy · 12-10-2003, 07:18 AM

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Originally posted by Roger

So if I decide to just go on the streets and fire randomly at kids, it'd be media dramatization? No big deal?

If you're so worried about the kids who die in Africa, then why aren't we helping the countries in Africa such as Congo who are begging for our help and who'd welcome the troops with open arms?

if they tried to do that it would be "why our you sending my tax dollars overseas to some country who doesn't even like us - start at home first - we have our own poor people"

it's just convenient posturing.

rooster · 12-10-2003, 07:19 AM

taking a country out of the hands of a group that harbored terrorists.

bhutocracy · 12-10-2003, 07:22 AM

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Originally posted by woodman

I used a specific example of the abortion issue to make a point. Why is ok to kill a kid that could live outside the womb in the name of convienence over troops killing kids in our name, as you put it, any different.

All I said is no one here gets on the soapbox about kids dying all over the world unless it fits their political agenda. The death of a kid from a US bullet is no less or more significant than the death of a kid anywhere from a cause that could have been prevented.

thats getting into arguing about the morality of abortion... completely off topic. Theres a difference between a potential child and some 12 year old playing marbles getting shot up by the US airforce.

PS. it would suck to be the gunner on that a10. imagine having to live with that.

bhutocracy · 12-10-2003, 07:24 AM

anyways... things like this happen in war. It's not surprising, it's just sad to see the conservative bias in the media making excuses for it.

BigFish · 12-10-2003, 07:29 AM

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Originally posted by Roger

So if I decide to just go on the streets and fire randomly at kids, it'd be media dramatization? No big deal?

If you're so worried about the kids who die in Africa, then why aren't we helping the countries in Africa such as Congo who are begging for our help and who'd welcome the troops with open arms?

They're not randomly firing at kids. If you want to reply, then quit being so DRAMATIZED. You must be really stupid if you think U.S. soldiers would just shoot at kids for fun. If you read my post, I was referring to the fact that the media is trying to stir up CONTROVERSY among people like you who don't know any better. Let me help you:

5 young children were caught smoking weed and having sex in a public school today.

or

5 17-18 year olds were caught smoking weed and having sex in a public school today.

What sounds worse? To the media, there is no difference and they would jump on the chance to use the first sentence ANY DAY.

Roger · 12-10-2003, 07:34 AM

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Originally posted by bhutocracy

if they tried to do that it would be "why our you sending my tax dollars overseas to some country who doesn't even like us - start at home first - we have our own poor people"

it's just convenient posturing.

Perhaps but since we're in the business of liberating people like the Iraqis who didn't ask for help and who're shooting at troops in order to gain control of there country why not help those people in Congo who are actually asking for help and who'd be more than pleased if we did?

bhutocracy · 12-10-2003, 07:42 AM

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Originally posted by Roger

Perhaps but since we're in the business of liberating people like the Iraqis who didn't ask for help and who're shooting at troops in order to gain control of there country why not help those people in Congo who are actually asking for help and who'd be more than pleased if we did?

If the Congans had really wanted help they would have had oil. It's their own stupid fault for not being geo-politically important.

Spudstr · 12-10-2003, 07:51 AM

eh well they were going to become terrorist anyway, kill em now...

Tipsy · 12-10-2003, 08:01 AM

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Originally posted by bhutocracy

If the Congans had really wanted help they would have had oil. It's their own stupid fault for not being geo-politically important.

Living For Today · 12-10-2003, 08:14 AM

this thing is becoming so common now it barely gets a mention anymore!

rooster · 12-10-2003, 08:22 AM

nice to see you group average iraqi people who arent that different from us with small terror groups causing the problems.

By your logic , are all black people gangbangers ?

Corleone · 12-10-2003, 08:23 AM

directfiesta · 12-10-2003, 08:33 AM

Didn't Georgie Baby declare many months ago that the Talibans were gone, exterminated, finished in Afghanistan????Just another " intelligence failure", a slip of the tongue or a plain lie....

Operation " avalanche" : 2000 troops ...

creamycherries · 12-10-2003, 08:44 AM

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Originally posted by cutetwink
And if the Taliban was still in control 30 would have died from starvation or been killed for listening to music or some other crazy shit.

Like Why said

My thoughts exactly...it's part of war, not always fair

Buff · 12-10-2003, 08:56 AM

Close to 3000 Americans died on 9/11. I don't give a fuck about 16 Afghani or Iraqi kids. I want to make sure no one gets away with attacking America on its on soil again. If "innocent" civilians in other countries have to die to ensure that, too fucking bad.

Let me ask you something: Who in the fuck brings a child into this world when he/she lives under a regime like the Taliban? That's pretty fucking irresponsible. You live under a Regime that buries women up to the neck and stones them to death for being raped, which bombards ancient, priceless Buddhist statues with mortars, which sponsers dozens of domestic terrorist camps, and yet you think it's ok to have kids in an unstable environment like that?

You want someone to blame, blame the Afghanis who let the country go to shit on their watch. If you sit by while your country does shit that gets your ass in trouble, it's your own fault.

Fuck the Middle East.

Buff

directfiesta · 12-10-2003, 09:05 AM

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Originally posted by Buff
Close to 3000 Americans died on 9/11. I don't give a fuck about 16 Afghani or Iraqi kids. I want to make sure no one gets away with attacking America on its on soil again. If "innocent" civilians in other countries have to die to ensure that, too fucking bad.

Let me ask you something: Who in the fuck brings a child into this world when he/she lives under a regime like the Taliban? That's pretty fucking irresponsible. You live under a Regime that buries women up to the neck and stones them to death for being raped, which bombards ancient, priceless Buddhist statues with mortars, which sponsers dozens of domestic terrorist camps, and yet you think it's ok to have kids in an unstable environment like that?

You want someone to blame, blame the Afghanis who let the country go to shit on their watch. If you sit by while your country does shit that gets your ass in trouble, it's your own fault.

Fuck the Middle East.

Buff

LOL ... Who let the idiots out....

BTW, in your line of thinking, "negros" in the US wouldn't of had any kids either...

johnbosh · 12-10-2003, 09:12 AM

it's always bad even if they where adults

NBDesign · 12-10-2003, 09:23 AM

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Originally posted by Buff

Let me ask you something: Who in the fuck brings a child into this world when he/she lives under a regime like the Taliban? That's pretty fucking irresponsible. You live under a Regime that buries women up to the neck and stones them to death for being raped, which bombards ancient, priceless Buddhist statues with mortars, which sponsers dozens of domestic terrorist camps, and yet you think it's ok to have kids in an unstable environment like that?

Buff

Who would bring a child into this world period? Our society is decaying around us... I feel sorry for these kids growing up in today's society... their future is very dim... the world is slowly comming to it's demise and if good ol georege w gets in another 4 years... i predict that there will be serious global activity as far as death and destruction and a possible world war that will seriously damage our lives as we know them.

jimmy3way · 12-10-2003, 11:16 AM

You want to make a democracy omlette...you gotta break a whole lotta eggs.

Danny Dukes · 12-10-2003, 12:07 PM

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Originally posted by Digipimp
So why doesn't this make the news? I thought Saddam was more dangerous than the Taliban, but in Afghanistan they still have A-10 spraying at single suspects and end up killing civilians on the regular. I guess that's because it doesn't get the pub that Iraq does so no one seems to care. But this week trying to kill a couple Taliban suspects the good ol US of A has killed 15 children so far. Way to go King George.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20031210/D7VBCK200.html

It's called Propaganda.

404 · 12-10-2003, 09:00 PM

war is a natural and beautiful thing.

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/n...printstory.jsp
http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/gulfwar2/
http://www.iraqpeaceteam.org/pages/a..._hospital.html
http://www.digitaljournalist.org/iss.../pt_intro.html
http://mideast.gq.nu/gallery/Gallery7.htm
http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/thisiswar
http://www.thefourreasons.org/victimsofwar.htm

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Digipimp BP4L OT DL Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: BP4L Swap Meet Posts: 13,481	15 kids killed this week by the US in Afghanistan So why doesn't this make the news? I thought Saddam was more dangerous than the Taliban, but in Afghanistan they still have A-10 spraying at single suspects and end up killing civilians on the regular. I guess that's because it doesn't get the pub that Iraq does so no one seems to care. But this week trying to kill a couple Taliban suspects the good ol US of A has killed 15 children so far. Way to go King George. http://apnews.myway.com/article/20031210/D7VBCK200.html __________________ Still Hosting at Webair and You Should Be Too

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directfiesta Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 29,676	Didn't Georgie Baby declare many months ago that the Talibans were gone, exterminated, finished in Afghanistan????Just another " intelligence failure", a slip of the tongue or a plain lie.... Operation " avalanche" : 2000 troops ... __________________ I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT ! But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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Why MFBA Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: PNW Posts: 7,230	casualties.... thats part of war.

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bhutocracy Not making A Comeback Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 10,218	I loved the CNN headline - "Afghans understand deaths - U.S." apologist fucks.. even foxnews didn't go that far and didn't try and "manage" the situation.

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goBigtime Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 7,761	To them they are fighting for their lives. If some other country came here and was killing Americans, I would arm my children as well. It's obviously not something you WANT to teach them, but it might be something you HAVE to teach them.

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bhutocracy Not making A Comeback Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 10,218	But this stuff happens, the thing that got to me more was the media treatment, especially CNN, I mean on tv theres the grieving parents crying and pissed off, and then theres CNN quoting and relying on the army official/spin doctor saying "they understood".. laughable.

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woodman Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 433	Too bad everyone here isn't worried about the kids that die here in the US on a daily basis from hunger, crime, not to mention the thousands that die each year from "mothers" who choose to abort during the 3rd trimester. I guess you can't use them as another news bite to jump on GW.

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bhutocracy Not making A Comeback Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 10,218	anyways... things like this happen in war. It's not surprising, it's just sad to see the conservative bias in the media making excuses for it.

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Buff GFY Assassin Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,993	Close to 3000 Americans died on 9/11. I don't give a fuck about 16 Afghani or Iraqi kids. I want to make sure no one gets away with attacking America on its on soil again. If "innocent" civilians in other countries have to die to ensure that, too fucking bad. Let me ask you something: Who in the fuck brings a child into this world when he/she lives under a regime like the Taliban? That's pretty fucking irresponsible. You live under a Regime that buries women up to the neck and stones them to death for being raped, which bombards ancient, priceless Buddhist statues with mortars, which sponsers dozens of domestic terrorist camps, and yet you think it's ok to have kids in an unstable environment like that? You want someone to blame, blame the Afghanis who let the country go to shit on their watch. If you sit by while your country does shit that gets your ass in trouble, it's your own fault. Fuck the Middle East. Buff

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