pornjudge

I convert good with allot of programs that are not using you as a processor. You were good in the past but now, are you crediting the affiliates with their sales? I advertise allot of sites that are using CCbill & I am like 0-20 000 WTF is their something wrong with your tracking system. I am getting really freakin fed up & I will drop any sponsors that are using CCbill.

ARS: I convert - 2:600
ND: I convert - 2: 700
I could go on on on on with other sponsors that I convert well with that are not using CCbill....

Its not my traffic because it converts well!!!!

Its a shame because you really do have a problem tracking sales... I have been in this business long enough to know what the hell I am talking about....

If you want proof ccbill, give me your name & phone number I will call at your office....

Brad-Wishing

Did you try emailing support first?

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Are you taking into account that while CCBill tracks first page clicks, most others do not?

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SleazyDream

sounds like a good deal for the sponsers.... maybe I should look in to ccbill..fact I think I'll sign up with them tonight.

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If I sent 20k hits and had no sales then I'd be working at Wendy's right about now.

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Ezygo Steve

Come on man, I know many of the CCBill sales people very well, and they are more then prompt in regards to replying to their clients. Why don't you try talking with them first about it before posting it here......

12clicks

what time zone are you in that you think your in normal business hours for CCbill?

I'll bet you demand a response in 10 minutes or else.
jackass.

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pornjudge

Still, it sucks don't ya think so? I would not say 0:20 000 but its very freakin close. I even advertise your program & I am like 0:2500

pornjudge

THE SHAVING WILL END - Did they contact me telling me that they will start shaving affiliates for a while, C'mon now. My traffic is not fuckin FREE. Even fuckin Epoch as been sucking the last 1.5 months...

SleazyDream

maybe it's you?????

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pornjudge

I dont think so, my traffic converts pretty good...

psyko514

Know what I think? You're an asshat.

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KCat

I've noticed that too. My paysites are still converting fine but my affiliate sales are down.

pussyluver

An affiliate - have a sponsor that is at 1 in 10,800 right now. Thought it would convert. Have had others that have done as bad and worse.

Just hard to figure, no matter how bad the traffic is (or my site for that matter) thought that if I can deliver 10K+ hits to a great tour (my opinion) that I wouldn't have better conversions.

Sales have gone to hell in the last couple of weeks.

My answer will be to rotate sponsors as usual.

Not making any claim that anyone is shaving or anything, but something is wrong! My SE traffic is 30% + of total traffic, with bookmarks at about 20%.

shermo

All I can think of is that you're promoting programs that count front page hits.

Also, you might want to check your traffic source...Even 1:350 is somewhat high. My best sponsers convert around 1:250 with strictly TGP traffic. How are you getting your traffic?

pussyluver

No 1 traffic supplier = Google
Then bookmarks & Yahoo etc.
Then Trades

Trading sources include shemp and some of choker's sites and a mix of others. Many have high productivity. The sites overall productivity varies of course, but is often at 500% or better.

Check every gallery and the sponsors they link to for exit hell, try to do nice ads... Admit using free hosted galleries in the mix which would hurt a bit. the site http://pussyluvers.com

rowan

I've had a really bad run with ccbill the past few days as well. Worse than 1:10000 (at least I got a signup ). Rebills are fine, it's just the initial sales that are being scrubbed hard.

BVF

Or his surfers are being scrubbed raw. I don't think affiliates get denial emails but your card can be rejected in a heartbeat. But it's all good though cuz when I see a signup, I know for a fact that its a good card and that helps me rest easier.

When I took checks, I was scared to even check my stats so that I wouldn't see all of the check returns.

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gin

YOU ARE BEING SHAVED PERIOD. i have affilites doing TGP for TEEN niche. and not going over 1:300 ratio PERIOD. find the sponsor that works for you.. im drunk

pussyluver

ccBill does not send the card reject letter to the affiliate. In no way is this a flame on ccBill. I bet a phone call or email and they'd be happy to share more info.

The hard scrub could be part of an answer?

SleazyDream

from the looks of this thread - obviously NOT



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DWB

You know my DWB site coverts like mad when I do the work, but my partners are having a shitty time with it, even on the same TGP's I submit to and get results, they get none. On the flip side, my sales from other programs is way down as well for those who use CCBill.

Sales still come in for my DWB partners but they are slow. Mine alone are poppin' like crazy. I don't understand. *scratching bald head*

shermo

I hear that.

I've been having shitty ratios with CCBILL lately as well, but I'm still making a nice amout of coin, and I doubt it's because of a heavy scrubbing or shaving situation. The programs that throw my ratio out of whack are the ones counting front page hits. I try and ignore these hits in my admin, and it generally results in a 1:275 ratio over all of my programs.

The fact is that surfers are getting smarter now, and if your traffic is coming from a free site source, the surfers already know how to access free porn! It's just like CD piracy... Once people can get it free, they stop buying.

gin

b ecuase your sending to ccBILL does not mean the sponsor cannot shave, everyone has imprinted this into their minds... therefore shady sponsors would use ccbill because affilaies think they can't be shaved from the sponsor by using ccbill as a sponsor.. ccbill isn't shaving.. it is either the sponsor playing shady tricks. or your traffic.. some complex words here

Kick Ass Chat

I was just going to say that

pussyluver

nothing complex about it, some sponsors cheat and its easy, even with ccBill. All they have to do is buy the right software.

Have to think that the Google traffic is worth something. I rotate sponsors, and the next push will be ARS. Working on that tonight.

WicKed NinJas

I had a problem with them once with refering people...I had a couple of affiliates join under me for a couple of programs I had on the same account but because I sent the link through ICQ it didnt register for some reason and they refused to give me credit even thought the people who joined under me also informed them that they joined with my code.

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pussyluver

Sherms Shack offers free porn and you have conversions! Not to worry, no mirror version of your site tomorrow. R u making those conversions with that site may I ask or is it up sells on an AVS or something else?

fsfaz

I have a feeling that ccbill does a little hard scrubbing to ensure everybody stays in business but besides that, I think your calculations must be wrong somewhere.

Just my .

I don't see many other people screaming what your claiming and plenty of people on this board send tons of traffic to ccbill.

Kimmykim

Reseller traffic is nearly always less productive than your own. It's been this way for as long as I can remember. Almost no one markets your product like you do.

I would guess that scrubbing is tighter everywhere these days, with the new Visa rules and the new imposition of Mastercards fucked up attitude on people, its the only way it can be. Remember that Visa effectively reduced its allowable chargebacks by 60% as of October 1.

MadCap

You are an asshole and have no clue what youre talking about the only way to shave ccbill affiliates is to stop paying on rebills after a certian point or sending traffic to a url the doesnt start with referer.ccbil other than that it cant be done and if you blame ccbill for it you are a complete dipshit it doesnt happen if i caught ccbill slipping a password into my password file without a cc to corespond it to i would notice right away and post it here as well as change cc processors. You are full of shit and have no fuckin clue what you are saying.



SO STFU.

fsfaz

Hmm, so your saying that the paysite couldn't do the following:

(Keep in mind, I just came up with this idea on the fly)

After a visit from "referer.ccbill.com" on their site, (and of course it's not one of the webmasters or affiliates IP's that were logged), they couldn't send it to a different processor or maybe even a second ccbill account they had that didn't correspond with that cookie?

Think about it man, I'm sure if I or we all sat here and plotted ways to shave on our sites with ccbill as the processor, it's possible.

pussyluver

Hi Kimmy, Good to hear from you and thanks for the post. We met at an Internext in FL. But there were a ton of people there...

When I started in the porn biz, I started trying to do my own site and found out quick, I didn't know shit! That was before Visa issues with ccBill. I was using ccBill. Porn was more of a part time thing then. Now I'm serious - LOL. Trying to be.

One of the first things you learn is Traffic is all important. So I decided to learn the ropes, drop the pay site and start with TGPs. Thoughts of moving up the food chain to AVS are dancing in my head. Hesitated with the mess there like AC etc.

andi_germany

Well the main problem is that Sponsors used to lie about signup ratios. You get shown a click signup ratio in their stats and you are happy. Even though those numbers can be adjusted easily. If a program displays front site clicks the ratio must be higher. Simple math.

The next problem is cookies. More and more people are turning of cookies due to the incresed virus warnings and other security leaks. Most affiliate progs credit using cookies and this will be an even bigger problem in the future.

Another problem is that people assume their traffic is good. Traffic that had good signups yesterday can be shitty the next day. Over a longer period another reason might kick in. A sponsor can be overused. The more people advertise one program the more surfers have seen their sites. Never put the eggs in one basket and shift Sponsors around.

There are other reasons but the fact of the matter is that it is not simply a ratio but a very complex business game.

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pussyluver

There are many ways if your in control of the surfer. Once he's on your tour, you win.

But even befoe that, here's an easy one.

Freehosted galleries - just screwup the affiliate id - that could be an honest mistake too. Result ends up the same.

andi_germany

Sure this is possible but anyone would be catching that cheating sponsor in a heartbeat.

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MadCap

good job for thinking about it on the fly but i can honestly say I have never given it a thought .


But i can say that if you dont trust a sponsor dont send them traffic.


And if you have a thought that they are cheating you just check your links. A sponsor would be busted in 2 seconds for redirecting second page hits and so on cause enough newbies check thier stats and links every 5 minuets to see what they are making

MadCap

I couldnt agree more there is a natural shave based on people not having cookies enabled which most people sending traffic will never realize or accept. but no matter what sponsor you send to you will lose a certian amount of traffic reguardless

fsfaz

Agreed even if you were tracking all the webmasters IP's and hostnames so those wouldn't be sent to the other signup pages.

I was just making an example because he said it wasn't possible to do it once the hit reached ccbill's server. Then of course, he said in the next reply that he "hadn't given it any thought".

This thread is looking better and better every second for ccbill just because people keep making statements without any actual proooooooof and not thinking it through.

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wow, cant believe that I missed this one

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Maybe it's not CCBill but the sponsors themselves....


hmmmmm... makes you think.

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Sly_RJ

You haven't sent me one email or ICQ. Why the fuck not? I even told you to in another thread.

We're converting just fine with CCBill. Made some tour changes last week that are rocking the house. This past weekend was one of our best weekends ever, same traffic.

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1:500 with ccbill sponsors right now.

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pornguy

I really dont think that CCBill would risk their status as one of the best processors to make what. If they were lucky 1 mil a month shaving every single program?? They make more than that and would not risk that income for that shit amount of money.

I have a program that uses them and we have not noticed any problems. I went and looked through there and there really is no way for me to shave the sign ups that the people are making.

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you could send a 3 page email to their tech support and you wil get back

"Hi, we see no problem, thanks"

Ray@TastyDollars

Every so ofthen these CCbill treads pop up. From what I see there are always two kinds of resposes, "wtf, im doing 1:10000" and "your traffic sucks, I do 1:300 with ccbill" Some how the 1:300 are mostly by program owners.

I for one am in the 1:10000 group, for some reason I never ever do well with CCbill programs. No clue why

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Tofu

50 eh?

my check hasnt come either...hmmm...

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