Smokey The Bear 

Okay i realise this isnt a new idea, but im tired of waiting for it, because i think it would be good for the adult biz in general.


SOMEONE WITH SOME DAMN balls needs to tackle the market with a porn type visa card.

NEED to get a contract with someone like wal-mart or something sleazier like 7-11 or a check cashing place , maybe even western union.

Get them to sell phone card type porn passes , but you just call it like INTERCASH or something anonymous. Then start collecting the cash.

People dont like the hassle of signing up with all the info and such and re-bills and blah blah blah FUCK VISA. If they sold a phone card type pre-loaded cash card . That you could just go anonymously to a porn site and plunk down $20 for some porn. People would buy them left and right.

I guarantee whoever gets in first will be the next billionaire

Ross

Sounds like a winner. Not as simple as you make out tho.....

Probably tons and tons of work to even start thinking about it going in stores.

 Smokey The Bear 

Its alot of work yes but, anything can de done with some cash and an idea and it wouldnt take more than weeks

 Smokey The Bear 

You also dont have to go thru all the silly steps like people do with billing now.

It would be instant coin for sponsors webmasters surfers, everyone wins no charge-backs no hassles quick and easy

BluntMatch

pre paid credit cards would not have to be a porn only thing.
it could be for people with not enough credit to get credit card, or for person that did not have bank account visa.

xenigo

Wouldn't take more than weeks? Are you out of your mind? That's a project that would take an entire TEAM of highly skilled people, marketing, programming, and selling the product to everyone to get off the ground. Think about it... that would be a huge undertaking. Not just something someone could put together in a few weeks unless you wanted it to do a huge belly flop and die a very fast death.

You'd first of all have to sell it to a few hundred (at least) paysites that would be willing to process with it, and then you'd have to go sell it to the retailers that would be willing to have porn sitting on their counter. Then to tackle the programming end of everything would be hell in itself.

Yeah, not weeks. Try months with a dedicated IT team, sales force, and retail sales people.

BluntMatch

Offer the credit cards w/ affilate program at the porn sites Why partner offline with 711 , ect?

com

allready working on it

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would be hard to keep age verification down, you can be under 18 and buy a phone voucher, but yeah would kick ass

BillMePro

western union will have nothing to do with adult

com

Ive been talking with the owners of local hustler / f street stores to sell pre-paid porn passes. if you're in that store you're 18 anyhow. also would make a great impulse-buy item at the register

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KRL

Been working on something like that also. Its got a lot of logistics, distribution and legal issues you have work out.

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ElvisManson

those pre-paid cards have been out for at least 2 years that I know of.

The problem is finding a Nat'l distro. which you need in order to make it profitable.



http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&i...+cards&spell=1

mailman24

There are already some out, but the limitations have been pointed out above.

First of all, the US market hasn't been ready for a micro-payment system, though that is changing.

Second, with the pre-paid model, I would lose my biggest customers, people who forget to cancel their memberships.

Thirdly, age verification would be next to impossible, even if the cards are sold inside an age restricted place (Like a Hustler Store). Remember, you still have to verify the age of the customer when they come to the site. How do you propose to do that with a pre-paid card?

Lastly, look at AT&T. They have this exact system out right now, which can be branded for merchants, and it has fallen plat on its face. It will hang around for a while and maybe get some traction, but if AT&T can't do it, nobody can.

ZoiNk

Been tried by several companies, they can't get it going very far though.
ZoiNk

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JerseyPuma

Someone brought up the biggest point of all above...with these prepaid porn cards, the recurring aspect of the industry goes down the toilet. In an industry that is largely based on a recurring customer model, if you rolled something like this out with a one-time transaction it would be next to impossible to keep your profit margins at the level they have been. secondly, to the person who claims that this would be a model that would make everyone happy...where does it leave the webmasters? it only takes money out of their pockets, unless you can think of a model that somehow the webmaster can promote...i can't. and limiting the sale of the cards to porn shops would also be a mistake. what would be preventing you from selling these in every mom and pop convenience store in the country (besides distribution issues)? those places can ID for smokes and beer, why cant they for a prepaid phone card? but then the distribution becomes a problem when youre talking about getting them into all those stores. its an interesting concept, would take a lot of logistical maneuvering to make it a reality, but its possible.

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sperbonzo

I was going to wait to announce this until we started advertising here next week, along with showing at internext, but....

I?m pleased to announce that I?ve joined DuoCash as Director of Merchant Acquisiton and Alternative Channel Development.

In my time at Fraudscrub and other companies, and through the years of working with online merchants such as yourself, I?ve learned that there?s a critical need for a payment method such as DuoCash, which not only overcomes consumers? reluctance to join adult-oriented and other digital content sites (namely credit card security and billing anonymity) but provides merchants with a simple way to increase revenues AND eliminate the significant exposure of chargebacks.

In case you?re not familiar with DuoCash, we?re a proprietary payment network which enables prepaid phone cards (or other stored value cards), for online transactions. Consumers purchase a DuoCash-enabled prepaid phone card conveniently online, over the phone, or at one of thousands of retail locations (including leading convenience stores nationwide). Then when they reach your payment page, all they do is select DuoCash and enter the 800# and PIN on their card. It?s that simple. The transactions are securely processed in realtime over the multi-billion dollar telco billing infrastucture and there is no special software required by the consumer or the merchant.

This product has been 4 years in the making.

You can contact me at

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sperbonzo

By the way, DUOCASH-enabled phone cards are also being used at gaming, ringtone, and music download sites. Watch for it to become VERY big, over the next three to six months.

ElvisManson

you have mail.

sperbonzo

You're info is on the way Bud!

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Done there, been that...they went out in penthouse.

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sperbonzo

Stay tuned. Watch DUOCASH over the next few months......

sperbonzo

and take a look at us Smokey....I think you'll find that we are just what you are asking for...

 Smokey The Bear 

I think the key to this idea is getting a chain like 7-11 to carry them , so its easy to deal with , not only that, you can handle age verification at point of purchase.

 Smokey The Bear 

Yes very snazzy how come your not out there plugging this left and right.

I agree with the guy that said the adult industy relies on recurring billing , but someone will eventually come up with something better as visa is screwing everyone with a monopoly as it stands.

This card eliminates almost all fraud , chargebacks , etc. i will promote that for free once i look into the details.

 Smokey The Bear 

I was wondering why epassporte never came up with an idea like this as they already are in the market , if they sold pre-filled eppasporte accounts at 7-11 that would be great. Anonymous visa cards would be the first step , but your idea is great, setup very well too. And it eliminates visa from the picture.

I notice your teamed up with Circle K

http://www.duocash.com/

 Smokey The Bear 

well it looks like someone has already beat my idea to the punch im just suprised i havent seen it around yet.

Your right it does mean that people would actually have to have REAL pornsites that have QUALITY content or the user wont be back . * this means more money not less.

People will always want porn and will always pay for it . No matter how your processing them .

Recurring billing on porn sites often irritates surfers and they end up not buying anything else because they are afraid of recurring charges. With this method http://www.duocash.com/ the user knows he only pays for what he wants and wont be double or triple billed. Meaning he will prob spend the same as the recurring charges only he will spread it out among different sites not just one .

Im a bit curious as to the pay per download kazaa thing you mention sperboza

 Smokey The Bear 

Imagine how many users would buy something if it was this simple to purchase something.

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<form method="get" action="/cgi-bin/music_duocgi.cgi"><table border=0 cellspacing=4 cellpadding=0 width="95%"><tr>
<td width="109"><b><center><a href="blah.html"><font size="-1">Toll Free Number</font></a></td><td><input type="text" name="account" size=23 maxlength=255></td></tr><tr> <td width="109"><b><a href="blah.html"><font size="-1">Pin Number</font></a></b></td><td><input type="text" name="pin" size=23 maxlength=255><br></td></tr><tr> <td colspan=2><div align="right"><font size="-2"><input type="submit" name="submit" value="Buy Now"></font></div></td></tr> </table> <center>
<p><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color="red">Your purchase is always private and secure with DuoCash.</font></p></table>

sperbonzo

The thing is is that we are enabling the phone cards that are ALREADY OUT THERE with our backend technology. We are not trying to market a private labeled card.

This will just mean the the pre-paid phone cards that are already on the shelves will be able to be used for DUOCASH transactions.

We are getting more and more telcard distributors under our unbrella as we speak.

sperbonzo

You will start seeing DUOCASH all over the adult market in the nect couple of weeks and you will see us at the Vegas show next month of course....

 Smokey The Bear 

Good show Im glad too see someone tackle the beast.

You will be hearing from me and you'll get free promo from me as well.

anidifranco

This exists already, but even better. You may know more about it than I do, I happened upon this as a victim.

I am a pretty busy person, and didn't check my telephone bills for accuracy... I just paid. I moved in June and began to look over my telephone bills because I had changed a lot of services and wanted to make sure I was being billed correctly. Well there was a $24.95 charge from Integretel Inc. underneath this charge was something to the effect of "for questions about these charges call 1-888-xxx-xxxx." Also listed was the web site www.integretel.com which has changed dramatically in the months since June. At that time, the whole site was complete bullshit. You couldn't figure out what they did or sold, or if they even did/sold anything. It was unreal, me and my partner had a good laugh about it. So, I called the number...I was on hold for atleast 40 minutes being bounced around the "I'll transfer you to the person who does that" game. Each time the new person would answer, I'd have to give my whole story and then they'd say "let me transfer you to the person who handles that." Finally I said , "No, don't transfer me!" This particular woman must have had a glimmer of a soul left because she stayed on the line with me. She told me I had been being billed $24.95 a month since November 2001. I was outraged! She said that my business had signed to be on their online business directory. I told her that I had not signed up for any such service and furthermore, who in their right mind would pay $24.95 a month to be on their list which I still have yet to see? So in conclusion, I got her to cancel my account and I got off the phone in total disbelief that Bellsouth would be in business with these scam artists. I consider myself to be a savvy individual and I was taken for a total of $499.00 over a 20 month period. And I did not even know of the ability to charge someone's phone bill a monthly fee for service unrelated to the telephone. I thought then and now, "How scary would porn webmasters be with this ability?"

 Smokey The Bear 

Thats a little bit unrelated , and that can be fixed.

If you didnt call the number they cant charge that on your phone bill. Just call up your phone company and have it removed.

Scary story though you should send those details to the ftc because that is plain illegal.

sperbonzo

Unfortunately (well, fortunately actually), what you describe won't be tolerated by the telcos, and the chargeback rates would be REALLY high. Our business model is COMPLETELY different.

I'm just going to post an FAQ here....what the heck
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FAQs for Adult Webmasters


Why will my customers use it?

Don?t think of this payment method in terms of current customers, think in terms of NEW types of customers. These are the customers won?t use a credit card on an adult site because of the following concerns:
Security?.The customers are afraid that unscrupulous adult webmasters will abuse their CC info
Anonymity?.The customers don?t wish to give all of their personal info to an adult website, but will give it to a telephone card merchant. Since they will also be able to purchace cards for cash at retail stores, they are even more anonymos
Credit problems?..Those customers who can?t get a credit card will be able to buy the pre-paid telephone cards for cash from a retail outlet.


What about rebills?

There are rebills with DUOCASH enabled cards, but only as long as there is value still left on the card. For example, a $100 card, could rebill 4 times with a $24.95 membership. In some ways, it is similar to Dialer programs that do not ?rebill? either.


What about paying out my affiliates?

As with dialer minutes that are generated by affiliate traffic, DUOCASH should not be considered another kind of credit card payment. Both Dialers and DUOCASH are completely different types of payments from the traditional CC models, and will require new types of affiliate payout programs.


What about chargebacks?

Rmember that, even if the customers purchase their prepaid cards online with a credit card, they will be dealing with a telephone card merchant if they wish to chargeback. The TeleCard merchant will have an opportunity to dispute a retrieval request, (unlike an adult entertainment site which just goes straight to a chargeback). This, along with a large number of physical cards purchased for cash, (that CAN?T be charged back), will result in a FAR lower chargeback rate, and thus less lost revenues.


Will I still be subject to credit card regulations?

The use of DUOCASH enabled phone cards is not regulated by the credit card associations. It is not subject to cross border acquiring issues for examples. One of the bonuses of the DUOCASH system is that niche sites that are not allowed to accept credit cards due to association regulation will be able to use DUOCASH. Of course if you are also accepting credit cards at the same time, then you will still be subject to their regulations.



How can my customers purchase DUOCASH enabled phone cards?

They can be purchased at retail outlets, they can be purchased by phone from 24/7 call centers, or they can be purchased as virtual cards online.


What does it take to set DUOCASH up?

The set up process normally take about a week after signing the contract. The procedure for your webmaster is fairly simple, as all that is involved is setting up a call to the DUOCASH gateway, followed by testing. Documentation and code samples will be provided to help you with this.

anidifranco

They can, and they did. It was nothing related to calling/dialing anywhere. It was a monthly charge to be on their list that was billed to my telephone bill.
http://www.integretel.com/about/1-2.asp
http://www.integretel.com/contact/4-1.asp

Check them out. Is this the next big thing in billing?

 Smokey The Bear 

Thanks for clearing that up. Because some people might get confused thinking its about duocash. BTW i added you to my sig f.o.c.

Matt_WildCash

Dude, http://duocash.com/ doesn't work. get your tech to fix that. Put the www. in and it works of course.

 Smokey The Bear 

Its also illegal how it took place and you could have them taken down by contacting the ftc and also contact "your" and "their" state attorney generals office. They always answer phone calls and everytime a fraud like this pops up they get it shut down quick and usually you get your money back as well.

Trust me on this one the best person to call is your attorney generals office * and integretels as well. It will get resolved. I have done this route myself for some friends and if you dont take no for an answer they will have your money refunded for you.

Explain in detail and basicallly point out that the company stole money from you. Because thats what happened. Make it very clear.

 Smokey The Bear 

Good spot i always hate when websites are configured improperly . Even some big ones have that problem , i emailed a few of them and they didnt seem to concerned. Infact i added duocash to my sig and i did it http://duocash.com so ill fix that as well.

BradShaw

I am still waiting on JoeE's atm card deal.

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anidifranco

Unfortunately (well, fortunately actually), what you describe won't be tolerated by the telcos, and the chargeback rates would be REALLY high. Our business model is COMPLETELY different.


Of course your service is completely different.
And as far as the telcos go, I don't think you're right. Look at dialers, they still let that go on. I'm sure they've tightened the noose on those fuckers in the years since the dialer boom, but it still exists. How much worse can it for chargebacks than $10.99 a minute dialers secretly installed on someone's computer?

And in fact, I didn't get a penny of my money back. I had it cancelled with Integretel directly. I never even contacted Bellsouth. I just got the charges stopped.

anidifranco

I do not care to go to any of these lengths for $499.00. That's just me. It may not be right, but that's how it is.

This is not about my $499.00 or the fact that it was a scam- forget that part. It is about billing legitimate signups to someone's phone bill. How great is that?

 Smokey The Bear 

Thats what most people do , and thats why you need to do some homework on this and contact your attorney generals office so that it doesnt happen to other people. Not only will you get your money back , but you will also make sure it doesnt happen to anyone else.

anidifranco

Forget that.
I'm trying to figure out why adult sites aren't offering this billing option to surfers.

sperbonzo

Hey there smokey, I would like to talk to you....get in touch

Michael Sperber
[email protected]
+1 954 650 5789

http://www.duocash.com

 Smokey The Bear 

Cmon man thats the quick way out. If someone came into your house and stole $500 bucks im sure you wouldnt "not" go to court because its a waste of time, you cant complain about a thief if you arent willing to prosecute them .

If your tired of getting ripped off , then people need to start acting or expect that in the future it can/will happen again.

Your not just saving yourself $500 but your also making sure it doesnt happen to 1000 other people , how happy are you knowing that this company lets say if they soaked 5000 people with the same deal , then some joker made $2,500,000 stealing from people who wont bother to complain. He prob adds your number to the "too lazy to get a refund calling list "

 Smokey The Bear 

Ill do that , there may be a day delay as im really busy today , but i would like to sit and discuss this further as i have been waiting for this for awhile.

anidifranco

Of course, all you say is true. But I'm not here to complain about getting ripped off. I told that story as a way to bring up to topic of monthly telephone billing for adult sites. I did not know this existed as a possibility. Let's not debate the small stuff.

 Smokey The Bear 

Indeed but it just pisses me off when people get soaked and dont do anything about it.

Its like women who get beaten and call the cops then when they showup they dont want to press charges. Then they get even more beats for calling the cops.

sweet7

I concur, it's a good idea but this type of plan is usually executed by huge coporations with, perhaps unmatchable resources.

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