Unfortunately (well, fortunately actually), what you describe won't be tolerated by the telcos, and the chargeback rates would be REALLY high. Our business model is COMPLETELY different.


Of course your service is completely different.
And as far as the telcos go, I don't think you're right. Look at dialers, they still let that go on. I'm sure they've tightened the noose on those fuckers in the years since the dialer boom, but it still exists. How much worse can it for chargebacks than $10.99 a minute dialers secretly installed on someone's computer?

And in fact, I didn't get a penny of my money back. I had it cancelled with Integretel directly. I never even contacted Bellsouth. I just got the charges stopped.

I do not care to go to any of these lengths for $499.00. That's just me. It may not be right, but that's how it is.

This is not about my $499.00 or the fact that it was a scam- forget that part. It is about billing legitimate signups to someone's phone bill. How great is that?

Thats what most people do , and thats why you need to do some homework on this and contact your attorney generals office so that it doesnt happen to other people. Not only will you get your money back , but you will also make sure it doesnt happen to anyone else.

Forget that.
I'm trying to figure out why adult sites aren't offering this billing option to surfers.

Hey there smokey, I would like to talk to you....get in touch

Michael Sperber
[email protected]
+1 954 650 5789

http://www.duocash.com

Cmon man thats the quick way out. If someone came into your house and stole $500 bucks im sure you wouldnt "not" go to court because its a waste of time, you cant complain about a thief if you arent willing to prosecute them .

If your tired of getting ripped off , then people need to start acting or expect that in the future it can/will happen again.

Your not just saving yourself $500 but your also making sure it doesnt happen to 1000 other people , how happy are you knowing that this company lets say if they soaked 5000 people with the same deal , then some joker made $2,500,000 stealing from people who wont bother to complain. He prob adds your number to the "too lazy to get a refund calling list "

Ill do that , there may be a day delay as im really busy today , but i would like to sit and discuss this further as i have been waiting for this for awhile.

Of course, all you say is true. But I'm not here to complain about getting ripped off. I told that story as a way to bring up to topic of monthly telephone billing for adult sites. I did not know this existed as a possibility. Let's not debate the small stuff.

Indeed but it just pisses me off when people get soaked and dont do anything about it.

Its like women who get beaten and call the cops then when they showup they dont want to press charges. Then they get even more beats for calling the cops.

I concur, it's a good idea but this type of plan is usually executed by huge coporations with, perhaps unmatchable resources.

The telephone billing isnt what this is about , (mostly) this is about pre-paid internet cards you can buy from 7-11 , like prefilled visa cards but without having to use visa or your phone or anything , totally anonymous

nah . look at paypal or epassporte.

A good idea is all you need, the money flows. You def need a hookup , but money is no problem if you talk to the right people.

I agree, but what DUOCASH have done is to make deals with more and more telcard distributors to enable the cards that they ALREADY HAVE IN THE STORES.

We AREN'T trying to push a private card out there, we will use the stored value on the pre-paid phone cards that are already being distributed.

This idea isn't new, it's been discussed at a lot of casino conferences and is being researched by at least one company.

As I said, DUOCASH as been around for 4 years, and we have a lot of casino sites coming to us to sign up. They are VERY heppy with the way it works. DUOCASH basically brought me on board to bring it into the adult market.

I think my very first post stated " i realise this idea isnt new "

the point was nobody is actively promoting it./using it "researching" doesnt help webmasters, surfers , or owners.

Duocash looks awfully nice to me , it seems they have done a great job, I still would like to see a PRIVATE card that doesnt tie in with phone cards as i think the phone card tie-in could be a bad idea once it hits the adult market big time. A great way to do the initial sales though without having to do the actual card processing. :thumbsup

Duocash has the right idea, however there are still two major problems.

Number 1, there will be no age verification at point of process. I hate to harp on this, but to survive you have to do AV. Bush and his cronies are not messing around. As far as i know, there is no AV required to purchase a DuoCash card (i have them down the street).

Number 2, a third party financial supplier to the casino industry better get their asses to Canada, or the government is going to shut you down. Seriously, run. Get out of NYC. Spitzer is gonna come too. The government is coming after advertisers for online gaming, you think they are going to tolerate allowing US citizens to a gambling card in the US? If so your crazy and will be shut down.

Number 3, if you believe you should stay in online gambling, you have to do identity verification at point of use (not sale) as required by the Patriot Act.

I know random crap for some reason (frankly cause i am bored) but i do know this administration is not going to tolerate any online gambling and adult workarounds that do not follow Patriot Act and child protection measures to the letter.

GO TO CANADA!

:2 cents:

We agree with everything you're saying, so you should know that the following is already thought through:

As for age verification, that is done by the merchant. Because of the fact that Duocash is being used for everything from Music downloads to phone calls, etc.... we are not able to put the age liability on our end.

Regarding the other two points, I should let you know that we are a UK company, and all of our servers are offshore. The only reason that it is not on our website is that it is in the process of a very thorough revision and the new version will reflect all of these facts.

DUOCASH has already gotten on with this! :thumbsup

"As for age verification, that is done by the merchant. Because of the fact that Duocash is being used for everything from Music downloads to phone calls, etc.... we are not able to put the age liability on our end."

This doesn't solve anything frankly. You point out first that AV is done by merchant, but in the second sentence, you say the card can be used for phone calls etc., so why would a merchant check age on purchase? You essentially state anyone can buy the card, but that DuoCash doesn't want to take on the AV responsibility. For me to survive, I have to check age, so this still won't help me

"Regarding the other two points, I should let you know that we are a UK company, and all of our servers are offshore. The only reason that it is not on our website is that it is in the process of a very thorough revision and the new version will reflect all of these facts."

Good to hear, however you are in the US, thus the government can still arrest you. If i were you, Antigua looks awfully nice.

When I speak of the merchant, I'm speaking of the merchant that accepts the transaction, not the retail, online, or call center merchant that sells the prepaid phone card in the first place. As for the merchants that accept the transaction, (adult or otherwise), AV will be up to them. Remember that this product will be used in many different areas of digital content, so the interchange itself will not be able to verify age.

Don't worry about arrest, the people who are involved in this company (Both directly as well as through major investment), have done ALL of their legal homework....There's is too much at stake and the entities that are backing the company are far too large.

"When I speak of the merchant, I'm speaking of the merchant that accepts the transaction, not the retail, online, or call center merchant that sells the prepaid phone card in the first place. As for the merchants that accept the transaction, (adult or otherwise), AV will be up to them."

Thanks for the clarification. And as i mentioned before, then this really doesn't help me. I am not trying to be an asshole, and I think you guys are on the right track, but if your going to endorse yourself as a major alternative to credit cards, then you have to do something about age verification. Because if i accept your cards, I don't want to accept Visa and MC, but I would have to do that just so I have something in place.

I would strongly encourage you to find a way for the merchant to verify age when the card is used. 2 years ago this tactic would be fine, but today it's not.

And I don't want anyone of us to end up in jail, thus my concern!

Mailman

and then?