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directfiesta · 11-26-2003, 10:38 PM

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"The Americans came here to eliminate terrorism but they are causing terrorism. That is why they killed a man who wasn't guilty of anything," said Siham.

Today, in Iraq, there is NO terrorism; There is resistance.

This is not a new phenomena, During WWII , in France, German soldiers and officiers were attacked and killed daily ; miltirary installations and civilians installations used for military purposes ( trains, airports, roads) were attaked and damaged if not destroyed. Collaborators ( french police ) of the Germans were also a target and killed.

Were these French patriotics terrorists??? To Germans, YES but not to the " liberation troops" : they were resistance.

And their main goal? To win the war by killing a German here and there? No, they knew that was not ppossible. But they also knew that their actions were preventing the Germans of reallocating troops and ressources to other part of the front...

So this war on " terror" and " evildoers" is pretty much a hoax of your government.

firefelina · 11-26-2003, 10:48 PM

I am sick of this world! Seriously, man! We don't have peace anymore! I am tired of war! I am tired of violence!
I think we need to accept more God in our hearts.
How do you thing it will be in 5, 10, 50 years? How it gonna be the future of our kids?
Questions that we've to start to ask ourselves and ask for REAL solutions to Mr. Bush...

Again, I am tired of war, I am tired of violence and I am F... tired of BS!!!!!

theking · 11-26-2003, 10:53 PM

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Originally posted by directfiesta

They were not terrorist when the USA " declared war" on terror... ( BTW" the USA NEVER declares war: they just go in conflicts...), but now they are.

So as Maskedman said, terror and terrorists are an intangible component, and evolve as the situation does the same.

The USA will never win this war with this administration.

"Terrorists" are not intangible...they are real people..."terroist" orgs are real orgs...countries are real countries...not "abstractions" not "intangible".

The world is a world in flux...always has been...always will be...until the world ceases to exist. Alignments are made...adjustments are made...allies are made...and all of these things change...nothing new here. Human beings are still evolving and will continue to do so...but at this point humans have not been out of the caves long enough to overcome "survival of the fittest" so that is still the rule of the day.

Question...who do you really think... is the fittest and will survive...a bunch of rag tag "terrorists" and their orgs or the richest most powerful country the history of the world has ever known?

I reapeat the war on "terrorists" has just begun...this administration may possibly end in a year...certainly in five years...and the war will continue with other administrations...as long as American assets...or allies...are targets. The war will escalate if the CONUS is ever hit again in any significant way.

directfiesta · 11-26-2003, 10:58 PM

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Originally posted by theking

Question...who do you really think... is the fittest and will survive...a bunch of rag tag "terrorists" and their orgs or the richest most powerful country the history of the world has ever known?

At first sight, logic would dictate to answer the US will " prevail" ( I hate that word...)... But history has shown that super-powers have crumbled to mere shadows of themselves: Greek, Romans, Egyptians, even China...

On the animal perspective, big cities have more rats as population than humans...even if we rarely see them ( A few are located in the Acacia offices...lol)...

As you said, human race is barely out of the cave... and some went back...

To FIREFELINA; I agree with you, but get the GOD thinhg out. This religion bs is causing most of the conflicts worldwide...
Even Michael Jacksoin finishes his plea of innocence on his site with " God Bless You"... WTF ???

theking · 11-26-2003, 10:59 PM

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Originally posted by directfiesta
and:

Today, in Iraq, there is NO terrorism; There is resistance.

This is not a new phenomena, During WWII , in France, German soldiers and officiers were attacked and killed daily ; miltirary installations and civilians installations used for military purposes ( trains, airports, roads) were attaked and damaged if not destroyed. Collaborators ( french police ) of the Germans were also a target and killed.

Were these French patriotics terrorists??? To Germans, YES but not to the " liberation troops" : they were resistance.

And their main goal? To win the war by killing a German here and there? No, they knew that was not ppossible. But they also knew that their actions were preventing the Germans of reallocating troops and ressources to other part of the front...

So this war on " terror" and " evildoers" is pretty much a hoax of your government.

I always try to remember to put "terrorists" in quotes for this very reason...but the terminology is not important. One can call them whatever they want to call them...but they are not "abstractions" or "intganibles" they are real people...and either their "hearts and minds" will be won...or their "hearts and minds" will be terminated.

StuartD · 11-26-2003, 11:06 PM

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Originally posted by theking

I always try to remember to put "terrorists" in quotes for this very reason...but the terminology is not important. One can call them whatever they want to call them...but they are not "abstractions" or "intganibles" they are real people...and either their "hearts and minds" will be won...or their "hearts and minds" will be terminated.

you obviously don't understand.. to declare war on people means to kill people. That's all well and good.

to delcare war on terror leaves you with nothing to kill... only something to add to.

You can't stop terror. No matter how many people you can kill or "turn their hearts" there will ALWAYS be more. You can't galavant around the world stepping on toes to try to stop this great big "terror" and not piss people off.

You know the phrase "you can't please all of the people all of the time"? It's true.

A big chunk of the world hated the US before this.... now.... almost the entire planet doesn't like the US... or at least, what it's doing. Most disagree.

Are your intentions to stop terrorism or to create it?

You can't stop a reaction no matter how much you want to kill the person who might have it.

firefelina · 11-26-2003, 11:06 PM

To DIRECTFIESTA

I agree with you too! I am catholic but, to be honest I don't believe in religion anymore: Religion is causing pain now. BUT I STILL BELIEVE IN GOD. In He's energy. It's not he's faul, it's our fault! God doesn't organize religions, churchs... we do it! So, it's our fault. But believes are very personal, of course... and I respect all...

Thanx :-)

theking · 11-26-2003, 11:20 PM

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Originally posted by MaskedMan

you obviously don't understand.. to declare war on people means to kill people. That's all well and good.

to delcare war on terror leaves you with nothing to kill... only something to add to.

You can't stop terror. No matter how many people you can kill or "turn their hearts" there will ALWAYS be more. You can't galavant around the world stepping on toes to try to stop this great big "terror" and not piss people off.

You know the phrase "you can't please all of the people all of the time"? It's true.

A big chunk of the world hated the US before this.... now.... almost the entire planet doesn't like the US... or at least, what it's doing. Most disagree.

Are your intentions to stop terrorism or to create it?

You can't stop a reaction no matter how much you want to kill the person who might have it.

You are the one that does not seem to understand. "Terror" is not a person..."terrorists" are people...and if people continue to attack US assets...or allies the US will be killing people in perpetuity. If the CONUS is hit again...in any significant way...we will be killing people on a massive scale...or may just get tired of dicking around after a period of time and use that measure anyhow.

The US declared "TOTAL" war on Japan...and demanded an "UNCONDITIONAL" surrender. After the virtual destruction of Japan the Japanese surrendered and were meek because they had tasted the effects of winning "hearts and minds" via the termination of "hearts and minds". The Japanese did not snipe at our people...on any scale that I am aware of. Minor use of force sometimes works...but major use of force...always works.

The intentions are simple...to kill those that engage in killing Americans...or our allies...with what ever label you or anyone else cares to label them as.

psyko514 · 11-26-2003, 11:29 PM

down with Bush.

theking · 11-27-2003, 12:46 AM

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Originally posted by Furious_Female

Oh I admitted from day one, this wouldn't be an easy mission converting a whole country to a true democracy. Iraq and other middle eastern countries are a mess to say the least. This will take years and years to show any signs of stability, profit and positive outcome out of this.

This may hurt in the present and we mayhave to sacrifice because of it, but it's an investment in the future of the US. You know what they saying about having to spend money to make money.

The loss of our soldiers lives is horrible and not worth any amount of oil or money... but casualties are a part of war. There's nothing we can do about it, except try to prevent it as much as possible. Unfortunately, the killing of our soldiers is after the actual combat and has turned into a guerilla war. It's going to take time and money. I expect it for years and years to come... not looking forward to it, but I've accepted it's long duration.

And you win the prize

Centurion · 11-27-2003, 03:04 AM

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Originally posted by theking

Question...who do you really think... is the fittest and will survive...a bunch of rag tag "terrorists" and their orgs or the richest most powerful country the history of the world has ever known?

I believe the above was said about the Viet Cong in January of 1968.

Just send over 500,000 men to Viet Nam and there is NO WAY the United States would lose that war.

Yet...they did.

tony286 · 11-27-2003, 08:19 AM

THats why its important to vote next year not just talk.

theking · 11-27-2003, 08:19 AM

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Originally posted by Centurion

I believe the above was said about the Viet Cong in January of 1968.

Just send over 500,000 men to Viet Nam and there is NO WAY the United States would lose that war.

Yet...they did.

If you are referring to the Tet Offensive...it was a major military defeat for the VC and NVA...out of an estimated force of 70,000...45,000 were killed by the US military and its allies. The VC after Tet was never a viable force after Tet...the burden fell to the NVA.

American, Korean, and Australian forces...1536 killed.
South Vietnamese forces...2,788 killed.

And then Walter Cronkite, America's most respected journalist at that time, suggested that America wasn't winning the war. It was inaccurate, based on a 30 second TV grab and was not much better than stupid as the figures show.

It was the media coverage then...much as the media coverage now...that paints the darkest picture possible...and gives a false impression...to the American people...as well as the world.

The US did not succeed in attaining its ultimate goal in Vietnam...but it did not militarily lose in Vietnam...it simply withdrew in 1973. The South Vietnamese Army collasped in 1975.

conan · 11-27-2003, 09:51 AM

why there were no jewish people at work in WTC on 9/11 ?
I assume there should be a lot of them working there. I heard that on CNN BTW

theking · 11-27-2003, 10:22 AM

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Originally posted by conan
why there were no jewish people at work in WTC on 9/11 ?
I assume there should be a lot of them working there. I heard that on CNN BTW

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