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BigFish · 11-21-2003, 06:27 PM

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Originally posted by MaskedMan

uhmm... yeah. Is this getting to be over your head?

If you don't know world politics, don't pretend like your opinion matters.

You write a WHOLE paragraph talking about how the U.S. shouldn't butt into anybody else's business and then you turn around and say in one sentence: "Well there are cases where they can butt in you know??" Make up your mind confused soul!

BRISK · 11-21-2003, 06:31 PM

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Originally posted by Volantt
Plain and simple,

1. China will not go nuclear with the U.S. our arsenal is far superior and we could knock out most of thier ICBM before they launched.

2. China yes has a shit load of people, but military wise they could not support a "huge force" per say. And how would they invade the U.S. ?? Swim I suppose... Would be kinda hard to get past our air defenses and ships as they blasted the few troop transports they may or may not have.

3. Would be hard to fight the U.S. due to a supply side issue, we could bomb the shit out of the "military industries" and put them back in the stone ages and they would have a hell of a time doing the same in the U.S.

4. It would suck, and yes lots of U.S. soldiers and Chinese would die. But I don't think China is that huge of a military power. I would be more affraid of North Korea putting up a harder fight.

V

I love how you find it that simple to cast off China as nothing.

China is replacing all of its approximately 20 CSS-4 Mod 1 intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) with the longer range CSS-4 Mod 2. China also is developing two follow-on, extended-range versions of the DF-31: a solid propellant, mobile ICBM and a solid propellant submarine-launched ballistic missile (SLBM).

StuartD · 11-21-2003, 06:32 PM

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Originally posted by BigFish

You write a WHOLE paragraph talking about how the U.S. shouldn't butt into anybody else's business and then you turn around and say in one sentence: "Well there are cases where they can butt in you know??" Make up your mind confused soul!

That's right... you also shouldn't kill someone else, but if it's an absolute last resort and in self defence... then it's acceptable.

As in... there are cases where you can.

You do realize that not everything is black and white right?? That there are extra circumstances sometimes?

Do you have a problem accessing your common sense reasoning center?

lovefucking · 11-21-2003, 06:56 PM

actually if america dares to mess with china, china does not need to fight it directly
it will just say , hey terrorist little friends, i got extra nuclear bombs to sell
oh baby baby hit me one more time!
but this time a nice little nuclear bomb

ameria just announced ' does not like taiwan to change the current status' ,america seems to know their shit,

buzzard · 11-21-2003, 07:03 PM

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Originally posted by BVF
If Puerto Rico told the USA to fuck off because they didn't want to be a commonwealth anymore, would it be right for China to step in to defend Puerto Rico against the USA which OWNS Puerto Rico?

God Damn that's Einsteinian like.

Shoplifter · 11-21-2003, 07:14 PM

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Originally posted by MaskedMan
Let's look at it this way...

if California decided that it has the population and resources it needs to become it's own country, and the rest of the US says no... and they come to the point where they're going to go to war...

the US would be highly pissed if other countries stepped up and starting attacking on behalf of California.

It's not their business, they have no right to take sides or to be involved in what is clearly the US's matter.

This is missing the point. The Chinese Nationalists who fled the mainland did so to avoid tyranny at the hands of a Stalinist government who to this day does not respect the rule of law. The government of China is IMHO nothing more than a bunch of pathetic tyrants.

Current Chinese wealth and power is an illusion that is only allowed to exist at the favour of the foreign nations that trade with them. If there is war and this money is cut off the party will fall. This time the kids will not want to go back to the rice paddies like their parents did.

In fact many say that by enriching China you are actually setting them up for the fall. If the war had been in 1968 China would have nothing to lose and resolution would be more difficult. Now China has everything to lose.

Jman69 · 11-21-2003, 07:14 PM

China has no plans to attack America, they want Taiwan. IF a war breaks out between China and US it would be Americas own fault.
Debating who is stronger is pointless,
either country could ruin the other.

Right now the US is hated by most of the world (much more then normal), so its a very bad time for them to make another enemy.

The US has unfinished business in the Middle East and they still have to worry about nuclear armed N.Korea.
Does America want another fight?

Volantt · 11-21-2003, 07:22 PM

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Originally posted by MaskedMan
Let's look at it this way...

if California decided that it has the population and resources it needs to become it's own country, and the rest of the US says no... and they come to the point where they're going to go to war...

the US would be highly pissed if other countries stepped up and starting attacking on behalf of California.

It's not their business, they have no right to take sides or to be involved in what is clearly the US's matter.

Let California become its own country.

V

BRISK · 11-21-2003, 07:24 PM

Something interesting to think about a war with China is the amount it would cost and the number of troops it would require.

If you use the current Iraq war as an example, China has roughly 50 times the military that Iraq does (or did have) in both spending $ and troops.

There are currently 130,000 soldiers in Iraq, and Bush recently received $87 billion to pay for the war in Iraq.

Considering that since China has 50 times the military that Iraq does (or did have), you could assume that a similar war with China would cost 50 times as much and would require 50 times the number of troops.

50 x 130,000 = 6.5 million troops required

50 x $87 billion = $4.35 Trillion to pay for the war

Shoplifter · 11-21-2003, 07:28 PM

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Originally posted by BRISK
Something interesting to think about a war with China is the amount it would cost and the number of troops it would require.

A war against China is a war against the ruling party. It will not be a conventional military conflict.

BRISK · 11-21-2003, 07:39 PM

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Originally posted by Shoplifter

A war against China is a war against the ruling party. It will not be a conventional military conflict.

My point is that it also wouldn't be a "walk in the park" as many seem to believe. I think it's foolish to cast off China as some piddly little country that would easily be dominated. If a war between America and China were to occur, America would eventually come out on top, but it would come at a severe price of both dollar cost and the lives of Americans.

basschick · 11-21-2003, 09:10 PM

i don't believe america coming out on top is a foregone conclusion... for one thing, we really are a disliked country right now. who's to say other countries wouldn't side with china?

as far as dropping bombs and not landing there, can you spell "anti aircraft"?

and maybe it will cost china megazillions of dollars to fight us, but you know what? it's far for us to come fight them, too.

seems like everyone loses in this scenario except the company who sells the gas to keep us driving.

Volantt · 11-21-2003, 11:01 PM

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Originally posted by basschick
i don't believe america coming out on top is a foregone conclusion... for one thing, we really are a disliked country right now. who's to say other countries wouldn't side with china?

as far as dropping bombs and not landing there, can you spell "anti aircraft"?

and maybe it will cost china megazillions of dollars to fight us, but you know what? it's far for us to come fight them, too.

seems like everyone loses in this scenario except the company who sells the gas to keep us driving.

EXXON MOBIL

V

evilregis · 11-21-2003, 11:02 PM

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Originally posted by BRISK
There are currently 130,000 soldiers in Iraq, and Bush recently received $87 billion to pay for the war in Iraq.

Considering that since China has 50 times the military that Iraq does (or did have), you could assume that a similar war with China would cost 50 times as much and would require 50 times the number of troops.

50 x 130,000 = 6.5 million troops required

50 x $87 billion = $4.35 Trillion to pay for the war

The 87 billion is in large part set aside to build Iraq's infrastructure. Rebuilding it's power grid, building schools, hospitals, highways, etc.

As for troops... I don't know that you would need to match them man for man. It's no secret that the US air force is simply unmatched. They own the air and can inflict a shitload of damage on the ground that directly affects Chinese troops making them less effective. If there were a war with China, I would suspect the US to rely heavily on night time air strikes taking out strategic targets. They'd be moronic to just start droppin' troops on the ground and have them start battling it out.

Administrator · 11-21-2003, 11:10 PM

well somethings gonna happen coz these rich fuckers wanna kill us all, no religion = no morals, no morals = no conscience

Administrator · 11-21-2003, 11:12 PM

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Originally posted by evilregis

The 87 billion is in large part set aside to build Iraq's infrastructure. Rebuilding it's power grid, building schools, hospitals, highways, etc.

As for troops... I don't know that you would need to match them man for man. It's no secret that the US air force is simply unmatched. They own the air and can inflict a shitload of damage on the ground that directly affects Chinese troops making them less effective. If there were a war with China, I would suspect the US to rely heavily on night time air strikes taking out strategic targets. They'd be moronic to just start droppin' troops on the ground and have them start battling it out.

china has VERY advanced russian air power, dont under estimate

BRISK · 11-21-2003, 11:27 PM

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Originally posted by evilregis
As for troops... I don't know that you would need to match them man for man.

Maybe they would, maybe they wouldn't. I was simply providing a comparison between what the US has deployed in the war on Iraq and what the numbers would be if it were to deploy the same ratio against a country like China. Either way, you have to admit that the US would require considerably more troops to fight a war against China than Iraq.

Fighting China is basically like fighting 50 Iraqs, and that's assuming you don't bring into account the fact that China also has nuclear weapons, and Iraq didn't.

VeriSexy · 11-21-2003, 11:45 PM

China will only go to war with Taiwan if Taiwan want to declare independence. Taiwan is owned by China but the ones that fled to Taiwan and created their own government wants to be it's own country.

China will never invade USA. If USA wanted to help out Taiwan it would be hitting China. "Not China attacking USA"

Nobody really knows how advanced China military really is. They upgraded their tanks and airforce so attacking China would not be easy. They have bought a ton of weapons for Russia and many other countries such as Israel.

The design of the J-10 is technology from the Lavi. China is mass producing the J-10 aircraft. They are also selling these to other countries.

http://www.aeronautics.ru/news/news002/news095.htm
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/20...3_108423.shtml
http://pub137.ezboard.com/ffighterpl...picID=71.topic
http://pub89.ezboard.com/faircraft51...picID=49.topic
http://pub137.ezboard.com/ffighterpl...picID=83.topic
http://www.politicsforum.org/soviet/...pic.php?t=4093

Let's not forget the Soviets already had enough Nuclear power to blowup the whole world if they wanted to. China has worked very closely to develop weapons. I am not saying that China will beat USA but China has no plans to INVADE USA.

I am saying attacking China will not be as easy as attacking IRAQ

http://www.sinodefence.com/

VeriSexy · 11-21-2003, 11:54 PM

Plus I don't understand why everyone keeps talking about Nukes. It doesn't take take many Nukes to Kill millions of people. Both USA and China has them.

http://www.cdi.org/issues/nukef&f/database/chnukes.html

VeriSexy · 11-22-2003, 12:01 AM

If they have the power to launch a man into space, they have the power to send nukes anywhere in the world. Nobody wants a Nuke war, 20 minutes and everything is over.

Let's not forget no more cheap toys for the Kids for Christmas. No more cheap labour.

BRISK · 11-22-2003, 12:02 AM

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Originally posted by VeriSexy
Plus I don't understand why everyone keeps talking about Nukes. It doesn't take take many Nukes to Kill millions of people. Both USA and China has them.

http://www.cdi.org/issues/nukef&f/database/chnukes.html

Which is one reason why I seriously doubt that the US would want to tangle with China over an issue such as Taiwan's independence.

The US might not like China taking over Taiwan, but it is unlikely to do anything militarily to prevent it from happening.

Jman69 · 11-22-2003, 12:11 AM

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Originally posted by BRISK

Fighting China is basically like fighting 50 Iraqs, and that's assuming you don't bring into account the fact that China also has nuclear weapons, and Iraq didn't.

Thats not true. Iraq has no air or sea power, half their troops surrendered and their equip is far more outdated then China's.

Anyone can beat the shit out a little kid, even 50 in a row, but try fighting just one person who is very similar in strength and it becomes a different story.

Calling Chinas military "50 Iraq's" is an under statement.

Don't forget America is fighting Iraq with the aid of England, Canada and Australian troops. I'm sure they make up at least 20% of the force in Iraq.
Would those same allies help fight China? I honestly doubt it.

BRISK · 11-22-2003, 12:18 AM

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Originally posted by Jman69

Thats not true. Iraq has no air or sea power, half their troops surrendered and their equip is far more outdated then China's.

Anyone can beat the shit out a little kid, even 50 in a row, but try fighting just one person who is very similar in strength and it becomes a different story.

Calling Chinas military "50 Iraq's" is an under statement.

Don't forget America is fighting Iraq with the aid of England, Canada and Australian troops. I'm sure they make up at least 20% of the force in Iraq.
Would those same allies help fight China? I honestly doubt it.

You're right, I was trying to be conservative with my estimates.

Not only does China have roughly 50 times the military budget than Iraq did, but China has a more advanced military than Iraq did, since Iraq was under sanctions for so long they had no ability to acquire better weapons.

My point is that people that think a war with China would be an easy task are ignorant and foolish.

VeriSexy · 11-22-2003, 12:18 AM

http://www.fighter-planes.com/data99.htm

Anyone into Jets?

Excellence · 11-22-2003, 12:23 AM

We should do the same thing to China that we did to Russia. Sit around watching porn while the country fucks itself to death, then make friends with whats left over, so everyone wins.

I think we need to supply them with a massive ammount of marijuana to keep them happy and subservient, and get boybands kickin over there. Should speed up things a bit.

Excellence · 11-22-2003, 12:26 AM

From the badass link just posted:

"Like the Soviets, the Chinese rely mainly on ballistic missiles to deliver nuclear weapons. This fact, and the fact that the Chinese arsenal is extremely small compared to those of the United States and Russia, explains China's vehement opposition to relaxation or abrogation of the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty (ABM) between the Soviet Union and the United States. China's air delivery vehicles ? the Hong-6 and the Qian-5 ? are both aging platforms that lack the ability to penetrate air defenses. "

Excellence · 11-22-2003, 12:27 AM

One last thing:

I sale used bomb sheltir cheap.

VeriSexy · 11-22-2003, 12:28 AM

North Korea is a bigger threat than China.

"North Korea threatens to attack US! (Using ICBM to hit US West Coast!)"

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...826530206.html

Lot's of Articles on Russia, China and North Korea.

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/k-icbm/browse

BRISK · 11-22-2003, 12:31 AM

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Originally posted by VeriSexy
North Korea is a bigger threat than China.

I agree. In fact, I don't think China is any threat at all. Not because they aren't powerful, but because they have little reason for a war with America.

IMO North Korea and Iran are the biggest threats to America right now.

VeriSexy · 11-22-2003, 12:31 AM

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Originally posted by Excellence
From the badass link just posted:

"Like the Soviets, the Chinese rely mainly on ballistic missiles to deliver nuclear weapons. This fact, and the fact that the Chinese arsenal is extremely small compared to those of the United States and Russia, explains China's vehement opposition to relaxation or abrogation of the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty (ABM) between the Soviet Union and the United States. China's air delivery vehicles ? the Hong-6 and the Qian-5 ? are both aging platforms that lack the ability to penetrate air defenses. "

You talking about the Gravity Bomb

Year Deployed: Unknown
Dimensions: Unknown
Weight: Unknown
Circular Error Probable: Unknown
Yield: Unknown -- strategic version approximately 3 megatons, tactical version 5-20 kilotons
Locations: Unknown
Number Deployed: Unknown
Primary Contractor: Unknown

Very little is known of Chinese gravity bombs other than they exist. The Qian-5 attack aircraft has been reported as carrying a tactical nuclear weapon with a yield of 5-20 kilotons. Several bombs have been dropped by Hong-6 bombers in atmospheric nuclear tests (like the one pictured above) with yields ranging from 15 kilotons (12/24/67) to 4 megatons (11/17/76). Given the range of yields in airborne nuclear tests, the Chinese probably have at least two bomb variants: a tactical one with a low kiloton yield, and a strategic one in the 1-3 megaton range.

Like the Soviets, the Chinese rely mainly on ballistic missiles to deliver nuclear weapons. This fact, and the fact that the Chinese arsenal is extremely small compared to those of the United States and Russia, explains China's vehement opposition to relaxation or abrogation of the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty (ABM) between the Soviet Union and the United States. China's air delivery vehicles ? the Hong-6 and the Qian-5 ? are both aging platforms that lack the ability to penetrate air defenses.

BRISK · 11-22-2003, 12:32 AM

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Originally posted by Excellence
From the badass link just posted:

"Like the Soviets, the Chinese rely mainly on ballistic missiles to deliver nuclear weapons. This fact, and the fact that the Chinese arsenal is extremely small compared to those of the United States and Russia, explains China's vehement opposition to relaxation or abrogation of the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty (ABM) between the Soviet Union and the United States. China's air delivery vehicles ? the Hong-6 and the Qian-5 ? are both aging platforms that lack the ability to penetrate air defenses. "

China is replacing all of its approximately 20 CSS-4 Mod 1 intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) with the longer range CSS-4 Mod 2. China also is developing two follow-on, extended-range versions of the DF-31: a solid propellant, mobile ICBM and a solid propellant submarine-launched ballistic missile (SLBM).

Excellence · 11-22-2003, 12:32 AM

Such a good idea. Send in spys to have north korea use non nuclear missle launches against china, with the words, fuck you dog eaters written on them.

China then extremely pissed launches back, and as long as we can keep them using conventional weapons instead of nukes, we all win in the war again other countries having nuclear weapons. If only the real world were as easy as the movies.

Furthermore, I'd be very happy if we were the only country with nukes, because then we'd really never have to use them.

VeriSexy · 11-22-2003, 12:34 AM

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Originally posted by BRISK

I agree. In fact, I don't think China is any threat at all. Not because they aren't powerful, but because they have little reason for a war with America.

IMO North Korea and Iran are the biggest threats to America right now.

New North Korean Missile Could Hit Anywhere in U.S., AP Reports
Sept. 11 (Bloomberg)

http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news...EPE&refer=home

BRISK · 11-22-2003, 12:37 AM

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Originally posted by VeriSexy

New North Korean Missile Could Hit Anywhere in U.S., AP Reports
Sept. 11 (Bloomberg)

http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news...EPE&refer=home

The biggest threat with North Korea isn't just that they seem to love the idea of building nukes, it's that they seem to be crazy enough to actually use the damn things!

VeriSexy · 11-22-2003, 12:42 AM

Yeah, more focus should be on North Korea. Not the people just the nutty government that keeps spreading propaganda and hate.

nosey · 11-22-2003, 12:42 AM

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Originally posted by BRISK

The biggest threat with North Korea isn't just that they seem to love the idea of building nukes, it's that they seem to be crazy enough to actually use the damn things!

shit, they send, we send

ps.. can i stay with someone in canada if shit hits the fan?

TheJimmy · 11-22-2003, 12:49 AM

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Originally posted by Volantt

Let California become its own country.

V

it already is Mr Smartypants...it's just not officially recognized by the current christian taliban...

ps, china can fuckoff, just leave the HOT whores in Aetawon alone....S. Korea is too hot to go nuclear on us ;-)

theking · 11-22-2003, 12:50 AM

There will not be a war between China and the US in the foreseeable future...over any matter. If there were to be...China is not capable of projecting its military power (other than by ICBM's) and the US is. China is militarily overmatched coventionally and otherwise...at this point in time. As their economy grows...their military capabilities will grow if that is the route they choose...so twenty-forty years down the road...they may become a match...if the US allows it to happen.

BRISK · 11-22-2003, 12:57 AM

I think it will be interesting to see the events that unfold if China does decide to make a move on Taiwan.

theking · 11-22-2003, 01:04 AM

North Korea has never tested an ICBM so it cannot deliver a nuke to the CONUS via a missile at this point. If it ever does test an ICBM that just may be when the US takes them out. North Korea is no more than a mosquito buzzing around...but if it decides to bite...it will be squashed.

BRISK · 11-22-2003, 01:07 AM

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Originally posted by theking
if it decides to bite...it will be squashed.

unfortunately at the expense of American tax payers

theking · 11-22-2003, 04:13 AM

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Originally posted by BRISK

unfortunately at the expense of American tax payers

This is one American tax payer that will not begrudge the money.

BRISK · 11-22-2003, 04:21 AM

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Originally posted by theking

This is one American tax payer that will not begrudge the money.

It will cost more than Iraq to squish N. Korea

VeriSexy · 11-22-2003, 05:40 AM

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Originally posted by theking

This is one American tax payer that will not begrudge the money.

This is your Tax dollars at work

http://www.bushflash.com/pl_lo.html

scooby doo as scooby does · 11-22-2003, 05:54 AM

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Originally posted by theking
There will not be a war between China and the US in the foreseeable future...over any matter. If there were to be...China is not capable of projecting its military power (other than by ICBM's) and the US is. China is militarily overmatched coventionally and otherwise...at this point in time. As their economy grows...their military capabilities will grow if that is the route they choose...so twenty-forty years down the road...they may become a match...if the US allows it to happen.

There will never be a large war between China and USA. That's true. The rest of your post is propaganda driven tho.

The US does not know, to any accurate degree, the technology behind Chinas military. Simplistically put, remember these are the same guys telling you what China has as told you that Iraq had WMD's. They basically know jackshit. They know what China tells the world, no more, no less.

Secondly, the US does have a larger capacity to invade China than China has to invade the US. Sure that's true. However, I'm pretty sure that the eventual result of any large conflict would be both countries black and scarred and basically dead. Those of you that think the US's anti-missile defense is good enough to stop a rain of Chinese nukes are living in cuckoo land. I mean, like how many rains of nukes from China has your missile defense actually stopped. So you know it works like ? A big fat zero. That goes for both sides.

Any conventional aircraft led pacification would fail. The country is just to large. Any infantry led invasion would fail, they simply have to many bodies. You guys can't even subdue a technology deficient Iraq. Your chances of subdueing China are Nil. Period.

No, there will never be a direct war between the US and China. Neither side would survive. Even Bush, who I consider to be a very dangerous, borderline evil man, is not that stupid. He may not mind murdering tens of thousands of innocent people, but he would be too chickenshit if there was the slightest chance he might lose his ranch.

At least Bush is clever enough to pick his fights.

Not gonna happen.

VeriSexy · 11-22-2003, 06:44 AM

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Originally posted by BVF
If Puerto Rico told the USA to fuck off because they didn't want to be a commonwealth anymore, would it be right for China to step in to defend Puerto Rico against the USA which OWNS Puerto Rico?

Yeah pretty much the same thing. USA should let China and Taiwan settle it. The Nationalist are like gangsters themselves. The ones that controlled China were the ones with Guns. The Nationalist lost and fled to the Island. Now they want to declare independence.

http://onenews.nzoom.com/onenews_det...67-1-9,00.html

"Chinese nationalists fled to Taiwan in 1950 when the Communists took control of the mainland and have since established a flourishing free-market democracy on the island.

But the Communists in Beijing consider Taiwan a renegade province and have vowed to reunify the country, by force if necessary."

Leader of the Chinese Nationalists: Chiang Kai-shek
http://www.healthekids.net/course.phtml?course_id=354

In 1949 when Communist forces led by Mao Zedong defeated Chinese Nationalists and controlled China, they chose the historic northern city as the new power center of the nation. Beiping became Beijing again. It is said that when Mao chose Beijing over cities in the south as the national capital he had in his mind the fact that historically Chinese dynasties based in the south were mostly short-lived whereas dynasties based in Beijing proved to be far more enduring. The last two Beijing-based imperial dynasties, the Ming and Qing, for instance, respectively reigned for over two hundred and fifty years.

http://www.carpenoctem.tv/military/mao.html

You should watch these two movies if you understand Cantonese and get an idea of what it was like in China. The fight for power and to control China with military. Plus the tactics they used to fund the military.

Lord of East China Sea (1993)
http://www.hkflix.com/xq/asp/filmID....qx/details.htm
Lord of East China Sea II (1993)
http://www.hkflix.com/xq/asp/filmID....qx/details.htm

VeriSexy · 11-22-2003, 07:06 AM

CPC = PLA = Red Army
Kuomintang = Chinese Nationalist

http://fpeng.peopledaily.com.cn/2001...625_73476.html

"However, the revolution soon ebbed because of betrayal by the capitalists and the tendency to capitulate within the CPC. When the Kuomintang, led by Chiang Kai-shek, took power in 1927 to become the new warlord ruling China, the Kuomintang administration became the new enemy of the CPC. Since the workers' movements were stymied by the administration's iron-fist rule, the CPC started shifting the battleground from the cities to rural areas, where the vast majority of China¡®s people, including the poorest, lived. In the rural areas, CPC members, represented by Mao Zedong, established a number of footholds, or what were called¡°revolutionary bases," to start a guerrilla war based on the strategy of "encircling the cities from rural areas.""

"However, the Kuomintang administration, backed by the United States, launched an all-out civil war aimed at eliminating the communist army. After fending off several attacks from the Kuomintang army, the CPC army, then renamed the People's Liberation Army (PLA), started an all-round offense. Through three major battles in northeast, central and north China, the PLA destroyed the core forces of the Kuomintang army. After that, the invincible PLA successfully crossed the Yangtze River and took Nanjing, the capital of the Kuomintang administration.

In 1949, the People's Republic of China was founded and a new page was turned in Chinese history."

VeriSexy · 11-22-2003, 07:10 AM

USA backed the Kuomintang army. This is why USA has such good relations with Taiwan. Hope everyone understands this mess now.

http://www.politicsandelections.com/...rs/uschina.htm

nap · 11-22-2003, 07:18 AM

when did this come out

VeriSexy · 11-22-2003, 08:46 AM

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Originally posted by nap

when did this come out

I think that's vapourware

11-21-2003, 07:14 PM	#57
Jman69 Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 240	China has no plans to attack America, they want Taiwan. IF a war breaks out between China and US it would be Americas own fault. Debating who is stronger is pointless, either country could ruin the other. Right now the US is hated by most of the world (much more then normal), so its a very bad time for them to make another enemy. The US has unfinished business in the Middle East and they still have to worry about nuclear armed N.Korea. Does America want another fight? Last edited by Jman69; 11-21-2003 at 07:16 PM..

11-21-2003, 07:24 PM	#59
BRISK Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,240	Something interesting to think about a war with China is the amount it would cost and the number of troops it would require. If you use the current Iraq war as an example, China has roughly 50 times the military that Iraq does (or did have) in both spending $ and troops. There are currently 130,000 soldiers in Iraq, and Bush recently received $87 billion to pay for the war in Iraq. Considering that since China has 50 times the military that Iraq does (or did have), you could assume that a similar war with China would cost 50 times as much and would require 50 times the number of troops. 50 x 130,000 = 6.5 million troops required 50 x $87 billion = $4.35 Trillion to pay for the war __________________ I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do, I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

11-21-2003, 09:10 PM	#62
basschick Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: el lay, ca usa Posts: 2,540	i don't believe america coming out on top is a foregone conclusion... for one thing, we really are a disliked country right now. who's to say other countries wouldn't side with china? as far as dropping bombs and not landing there, can you spell "anti aircraft"? and maybe it will cost china megazillions of dollars to fight us, but you know what? it's far for us to come fight them, too. seems like everyone loses in this scenario except the company who sells the gas to keep us driving. __________________ Got Gay and For Women Traffic?

11-21-2003, 11:45 PM	#68
VeriSexy Join The Royal Family Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 25,463	China will only go to war with Taiwan if Taiwan want to declare independence. Taiwan is owned by China but the ones that fled to Taiwan and created their own government wants to be it's own country. China will never invade USA. If USA wanted to help out Taiwan it would be hitting China. "Not China attacking USA" Nobody really knows how advanced China military really is. They upgraded their tanks and airforce so attacking China would not be easy. They have bought a ton of weapons for Russia and many other countries such as Israel. The design of the J-10 is technology from the Lavi. China is mass producing the J-10 aircraft. They are also selling these to other countries. http://www.aeronautics.ru/news/news002/news095.htm http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/20...3_108423.shtml http://pub137.ezboard.com/ffighterpl...picID=71.topic http://pub89.ezboard.com/faircraft51...picID=49.topic http://pub137.ezboard.com/ffighterpl...picID=83.topic http://www.politicsforum.org/soviet/...pic.php?t=4093 Let's not forget the Soviets already had enough Nuclear power to blowup the whole world if they wanted to. China has worked very closely to develop weapons. I am not saying that China will beat USA but China has no plans to INVADE USA. I am saying attacking China will not be as easy as attacking IRAQ http://www.sinodefence.com/ __________________ Looking for a KICK ASS TEEN SPONSOR? Check out ROYAL CASH - THE KING OF TEEN! Incredible webmaster tools FHGs, Morphing Blog and RSS Feeds, Embedded FLV & WMV Videos. With TOP RATIO Sites like TeenStarsOnly.com - Earn $$ with our New Site & Bonus Payouts!! ATMovs.com \| iTeenVideo.com \| TeenSexMovs.com \| TeenSexMania.com Last edited by VeriSexy; 11-21-2003 at 11:49 PM..

11-21-2003, 11:54 PM	#69
VeriSexy Join The Royal Family Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 25,463	Plus I don't understand why everyone keeps talking about Nukes. It doesn't take take many Nukes to Kill millions of people. Both USA and China has them. http://www.cdi.org/issues/nukef&f/database/chnukes.html __________________ Looking for a KICK ASS TEEN SPONSOR? Check out ROYAL CASH - THE KING OF TEEN! Incredible webmaster tools FHGs, Morphing Blog and RSS Feeds, Embedded FLV & WMV Videos. With TOP RATIO Sites like TeenStarsOnly.com - Earn $$ with our New Site & Bonus Payouts!! ATMovs.com \| iTeenVideo.com \| TeenSexMovs.com \| TeenSexMania.com

11-21-2003, 06:56 PM	#54
lovefucking Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 74	actually if america dares to mess with china, china does not need to fight it directly it will just say , hey terrorist little friends, i got extra nuclear bombs to sell oh baby baby hit me one more time! but this time a nice little nuclear bomb ameria just announced ' does not like taiwan to change the current status' ,america seems to know their shit,

11-21-2003, 11:10 PM	#65
Administrator So Fucking Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 128	well somethings gonna happen coz these rich fuckers wanna kill us all, no religion = no morals, no morals = no conscience

11-22-2003, 12:01 AM	#70
VeriSexy Join The Royal Family Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 25,463	If they have the power to launch a man into space, they have the power to send nukes anywhere in the world. Nobody wants a Nuke war, 20 minutes and everything is over. Let's not forget no more cheap toys for the Kids for Christmas. No more cheap labour. __________________ Looking for a KICK ASS TEEN SPONSOR? Check out ROYAL CASH - THE KING OF TEEN! Incredible webmaster tools FHGs, Morphing Blog and RSS Feeds, Embedded FLV & WMV Videos. With TOP RATIO Sites like TeenStarsOnly.com - Earn $$ with our New Site & Bonus Payouts!! ATMovs.com \| iTeenVideo.com \| TeenSexMovs.com \| TeenSexMania.com

11-22-2003, 12:18 AM	#74
VeriSexy Join The Royal Family Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 25,463	http://www.fighter-planes.com/data99.htm Anyone into Jets? __________________ Looking for a KICK ASS TEEN SPONSOR? Check out ROYAL CASH - THE KING OF TEEN! Incredible webmaster tools FHGs, Morphing Blog and RSS Feeds, Embedded FLV & WMV Videos. With TOP RATIO Sites like TeenStarsOnly.com - Earn $$ with our New Site & Bonus Payouts!! ATMovs.com \| iTeenVideo.com \| TeenSexMovs.com \| TeenSexMania.com

11-22-2003, 12:23 AM	#75
Excellence Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 89	We should do the same thing to China that we did to Russia. Sit around watching porn while the country fucks itself to death, then make friends with whats left over, so everyone wins. I think we need to supply them with a massive ammount of marijuana to keep them happy and subservient, and get boybands kickin over there. Should speed up things a bit.

11-22-2003, 12:26 AM	#76
Excellence Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 89	From the badass link just posted: "Like the Soviets, the Chinese rely mainly on ballistic missiles to deliver nuclear weapons. This fact, and the fact that the Chinese arsenal is extremely small compared to those of the United States and Russia, explains China's vehement opposition to relaxation or abrogation of the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty (ABM) between the Soviet Union and the United States. China's air delivery vehicles ? the Hong-6 and the Qian-5 ? are both aging platforms that lack the ability to penetrate air defenses. "

11-22-2003, 12:27 AM	#77
Excellence Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 89	One last thing: I sale used bomb sheltir cheap.

11-22-2003, 12:28 AM	#78
VeriSexy Join The Royal Family Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 25,463	North Korea is a bigger threat than China. "North Korea threatens to attack US! (Using ICBM to hit US West Coast!)" http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...826530206.html Lot's of Articles on Russia, China and North Korea. http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/k-icbm/browse __________________ Looking for a KICK ASS TEEN SPONSOR? Check out ROYAL CASH - THE KING OF TEEN! Incredible webmaster tools FHGs, Morphing Blog and RSS Feeds, Embedded FLV & WMV Videos. With TOP RATIO Sites like TeenStarsOnly.com - Earn $$ with our New Site & Bonus Payouts!! ATMovs.com \| iTeenVideo.com \| TeenSexMovs.com \| TeenSexMania.com

11-22-2003, 12:32 AM	#82
Excellence Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 89	Such a good idea. Send in spys to have north korea use non nuclear missle launches against china, with the words, fuck you dog eaters written on them. China then extremely pissed launches back, and as long as we can keep them using conventional weapons instead of nukes, we all win in the war again other countries having nuclear weapons. If only the real world were as easy as the movies. Furthermore, I'd be very happy if we were the only country with nukes, because then we'd really never have to use them.

11-22-2003, 12:42 AM	#85
VeriSexy Join The Royal Family Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 25,463	Yeah, more focus should be on North Korea. Not the people just the nutty government that keeps spreading propaganda and hate. __________________ Looking for a KICK ASS TEEN SPONSOR? Check out ROYAL CASH - THE KING OF TEEN! Incredible webmaster tools FHGs, Morphing Blog and RSS Feeds, Embedded FLV & WMV Videos. With TOP RATIO Sites like TeenStarsOnly.com - Earn $$ with our New Site & Bonus Payouts!! ATMovs.com \| iTeenVideo.com \| TeenSexMovs.com \| TeenSexMania.com

11-22-2003, 12:50 AM	#88
theking Nice Kitty Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The good old USA!!! Posts: 21,053	There will not be a war between China and the US in the foreseeable future...over any matter. If there were to be...China is not capable of projecting its military power (other than by ICBM's) and the US is. China is militarily overmatched coventionally and otherwise...at this point in time. As their economy grows...their military capabilities will grow if that is the route they choose...so twenty-forty years down the road...they may become a match...if the US allows it to happen. __________________ When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me! FOR THE LYING LOWLIFE POSTING AS PATHFINDER...https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...athfinder.html

11-22-2003, 12:57 AM	#89
BRISK Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,240	I think it will be interesting to see the events that unfold if China does decide to make a move on Taiwan. __________________ I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do, I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

11-22-2003, 01:04 AM	#90
theking Nice Kitty Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The good old USA!!! Posts: 21,053	North Korea has never tested an ICBM so it cannot deliver a nuke to the CONUS via a missile at this point. If it ever does test an ICBM that just may be when the US takes them out. North Korea is no more than a mosquito buzzing around...but if it decides to bite...it will be squashed. __________________ When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me! FOR THE LYING LOWLIFE POSTING AS PATHFINDER...https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...athfinder.html

11-22-2003, 07:06 AM	#97
VeriSexy Join The Royal Family Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 25,463	CPC = PLA = Red Army Kuomintang = Chinese Nationalist http://fpeng.peopledaily.com.cn/2001...625_73476.html "However, the revolution soon ebbed because of betrayal by the capitalists and the tendency to capitulate within the CPC. When the Kuomintang, led by Chiang Kai-shek, took power in 1927 to become the new warlord ruling China, the Kuomintang administration became the new enemy of the CPC. Since the workers' movements were stymied by the administration's iron-fist rule, the CPC started shifting the battleground from the cities to rural areas, where the vast majority of China¡®s people, including the poorest, lived. In the rural areas, CPC members, represented by Mao Zedong, established a number of footholds, or what were called¡°revolutionary bases," to start a guerrilla war based on the strategy of "encircling the cities from rural areas."" "However, the Kuomintang administration, backed by the United States, launched an all-out civil war aimed at eliminating the communist army. After fending off several attacks from the Kuomintang army, the CPC army, then renamed the People's Liberation Army (PLA), started an all-round offense. Through three major battles in northeast, central and north China, the PLA destroyed the core forces of the Kuomintang army. After that, the invincible PLA successfully crossed the Yangtze River and took Nanjing, the capital of the Kuomintang administration. In 1949, the People's Republic of China was founded and a new page was turned in Chinese history." __________________ Looking for a KICK ASS TEEN SPONSOR? Check out ROYAL CASH - THE KING OF TEEN! Incredible webmaster tools FHGs, Morphing Blog and RSS Feeds, Embedded FLV & WMV Videos. With TOP RATIO Sites like TeenStarsOnly.com - Earn $$ with our New Site & Bonus Payouts!! ATMovs.com \| iTeenVideo.com \| TeenSexMovs.com \| TeenSexMania.com

11-22-2003, 07:10 AM	#98
VeriSexy Join The Royal Family Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 25,463	USA backed the Kuomintang army. This is why USA has such good relations with Taiwan. Hope everyone understands this mess now. http://www.politicsandelections.com/...rs/uschina.htm __________________ Looking for a KICK ASS TEEN SPONSOR? Check out ROYAL CASH - THE KING OF TEEN! Incredible webmaster tools FHGs, Morphing Blog and RSS Feeds, Embedded FLV & WMV Videos. With TOP RATIO Sites like TeenStarsOnly.com - Earn $$ with our New Site & Bonus Payouts!! ATMovs.com \| iTeenVideo.com \| TeenSexMovs.com \| TeenSexMania.com

11-22-2003, 07:18 AM	#99
nap Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: midwest Posts: 2,765	when did this come out