nemesis

I really don't understand how did you connected war in Iraq with the terrorist events that took place in Istanbul today. Iraq has nothing to do with El kaide and the war againist terrorism. I don't think Turkey will make any changes on its policies about the Iraqi war after the those coward attacks.

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al Qaeda was/is operating out of Iraq (or so our government has claimed)... US wanted to use Turkish air and land to attack Iraq... Turkish government said no for fear of issues spilling on to them.

UK is a heavy supporter in the war in Iraq.

Bombing in turkey was on british targets. al Qaeda group claims responsibility.

US wanted turkey to play a policing role in Iraq, Turkey declined (unless they changed their mind recently).

External terrorism now in Turkey.

Does this help to connect the six degree separation of terrorism?


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nemesis

I don't belive El kaide was operating out of Iraq.

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For those wondering, "El kaide" is turkish for al Qaeda



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nemesis

haha, i did not even notice I wrote that in Turkish.

ChumpChange

Just think bush predicated this just like the one in saudi, ay he's batting 1.000

roly

the irony is that al qaeda would never have been allowed to operate out of iraq before the war under hussain

Centurion

One other thing to add that maybe a lot of people don't know is that in the last election, the Islamic Fundamentalist party actually won a majority in parliament there. However, Turkey has a VERY strong military that SEEMS to be keeping the government in "line" with it's pro-west policy (just as the military is doing in Algeria where the fundamentalists won a free election outright 5 years ago but had the election declared invalid).

So we (we being the "west") need to remember this is a very Islamic nation and there probably is a LOT of support among the people for Al Qaeda and other Islamic extremist groups. Sadly.

Centurion

Hmmm for some reason the first part of my message got scrambled in with your quoted post.

Anyhow...GOOD POINTS you brought up!

FightThisPatent

Turkey is a fascinating country to read up on, not because of the elaborate history, but their transition from the Ottoman Empire to a democracy and its position with religion.

While like 98% of Turkey is of the Islamic religion, Turkey is more modern than most other eastern countries.

You will find a "red light" district in Istanbul, you will find people drinking liquor in bars. Pre-marital sex, etc.... Lots of contradictions and contrasts.

I am quite biased about Turkey, since my wife is from there.. and highly recommend that if you are looking for someplace exciting and exotic to go for summer vacation, check into tours or make your own adventure.

While the dollar goes far there (food is very cheap, shopping is amazing), they do charge you $100 just to enter the country....

My wife says that Ismir is most famous for its beautiful women... so many come from the vast countryside to this large city to find work, and even more go to Istanbul.


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Lev

They already have a negative image for taking other peoples land and driving away people from their ancestral lands. And what about the genocide that they committed against the Armenians and also killed thousands of Greeks, Asyrians and Kurds whom they still repress and massacre. Their whole history has a negative image. Because they kiss our asses and are in the same bed with Israel does not mean their country is good. Thier country and history are covered in other peoples blood!!!

Lev

What a load of crap! PKK has reasons for terrorising the Turkish governemnt. Did your wife tell you that Like Saddam Hussein gased tens of thousands of Kurds, Turkey did the same. They kill and repress them until now like they always did with their minority populations, which they like to call "Gavurs".

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yes, and she also refuses to believe that the turkish government committed genocide against the armenian people... i have read some history books, ones that weren't written by turkish government.

The kurds are trying to establish a breakaway separation of turkey, by wanting to claim a land for their own. All countries that have mixed cultures face this issue, so not being a citizen there, leaves me no room to judge... especially when you look at American history.

I realize that I do not have a full enough background of kurdish history or of PKK...so i don't have much to offer as far as a debate, but i am open to learning more, so if you do have links to info about the issues, i certainly would appreciate reading them.


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adonis

Turks are there for 800 years. And, Armenians are not victims of massacre, actually they did the massacre as the most historians (including Armenian ones) agree. Remember the Armenian terror group ASALA and their 10s of bombing attacks.... And millions of Kurds are living in Turkey peacefully, some people love to tell lies about this.

nemesis

Getting sick of those armenians popping at every thread about Turkey changing the subject to so called armenian genocide.

Nobody gives a fuck about that so called genocide, you betrayed your country, tried to take advantage of the weak points... Setting up terrorist organizations an attacking civillians is not something Turks would tolerate. If you want to discuss this open new thread fucknut. No need to change the subject.

Lev

Well what a surprise that she happened to deny the Genocide, she is brainwashed like all the Turks, at least the uneducated ones. Armenian Genocide is a fact and a dozen countries around the world and hundreds of historians, organizations accepted it. Thre are numerous of documents from the Ottoman government stating orders for massacring Armenians. There are also thousands of witness reports.

What are you smoking man? Is your weed that good? Oh my god, go read some books before you make yourself look stupid. How the fuck the Armenians did the massacre, when there only about 30,000 Armenians left in Turkey out of 3 million and even higher. And how the fuck they commited the genocide when the Armenians did not have any weapons. So you are saying that the Armenians used knifes and sticks committ a genocide? No Armenian historian agrees that there was no genocide. Show prove or STFU! All the major genocide historians and the ones who were not BRIBED by the Turkish government accept the Armenian genocide. Yes I know about ASALA and I totally condemn what they did, since Armenians are not animal like the Turks. That group was formed by people whos relatives and close ones were brutally killed right in front of them and driven away from their ancestral lands. I am sure you would do the same thing. And your name sounds Greek, aren't you supposed to be offended too, since Greeks got killed to by the Turks?


Well well its my turkish "friend" again. Maybe you and your country do not give a shit about our Genocide, but we do, because our ancesters were affected by it and for your info my grandfathers parents got their heads cut off right infront of him. That memory haunted him for the rest of his life.

We betrayed our country??? Man read some history books, cause you speak as if you didn't finish the 2nd grade. Nobody betrayed your country, which had to protect us from harm, since we were citizens of the Ottoman Empire. Am I right? As I said before, I do not approve ASALA's actions and they do not represent me nor any Armenian, we are peacfull people. Nobody needs Turkey anymore, the U.S. got control of the Iraq and just watch the news cause in about a year or so the genocide would be accepted here.

Lev

I wouldn't say so....

Here are some pics of Turkish soldiers cutting the heads of Kurds