DMOZ PageRank tip (cheat) - GoFuckYourself.com

Pornwizzard · 11-18-2003, 01:48 PM

Hey,

Posted this on few other boards, but not everybody reads them all so here it goes again. Btw, forgive me if this is old news and has been discussed before.

I saw a guy posting SEO tips and thought I would contribute.

I don't like dmoz cause most editors that organize adult categories are biased, list their own sites but refuse others for no reason except to dominate the category and keep competition down. Well can't really blame them, but it's not fair or by the rules.

Ok, now the tip:
1.) Find a god forsaken non-adult category (part of dmoz) with very few number of sites listed and make a quick clean site on the topic. For example make a site about retired firefighters from Ohio or something
2.) You should have no problem getting that site listed in dmoz
3.) after it's listed wait for a few days just in case
4.) do a 301 redirect from your firefighters page to your porn
5.) voila on next google directory update you have high PR

dmoz cheaters.. If you can't beat them, join them.

ppl, submit your sites to my porn search engine below.

Cheers,
Darko

Weppel · 11-18-2003, 01:49 PM

Thats just... nasty

WiredGuy · 11-18-2003, 01:52 PM

How sad... If you create a QUALITY site you can get listed in DMOZ without prejudice.

PS: Editors do frequently review the sites in their categories, so your trick will work for no more than 2-3 months in most categories.

WG

JDog · 11-18-2003, 01:52 PM

cheater!

fuck you, do it the right way, and if google finds out, you could get blocked

jDoG

Juicy D. Links · 11-18-2003, 01:52 PM

You know I am a DMOZ editor?

You just fucked yourself

CoolE · 11-18-2003, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mayday9
Hey,

Posted this on few other boards, but not everybody reads them all so here it goes again. Btw, forgive me if this is old news and has been discussed before.

I saw a guy posting SEO tips and thought I would contribute.

I don't like dmoz cause most editors that organize adult categories are biased, list their own sites but refuse others for no reason except to dominate the category and keep competition down. Well can't really blame them, but it's not fair or by the rules.

Ok, now the tip:
1.) Find a god forsaken non-adult category (part of dmoz) with very few number of sites listed and make a quick clean site on the topic. For example make a site about retired firefighters from Ohio or something
2.) You should have no problem getting that site listed in dmoz
3.) after it's listed wait for a few days just in case
4.) do a 301 redirect from your firefighters page to your porn
5.) voila on next google directory update you have high PR

dmoz cheaters.. If you can't beat them, join them.

ppl, submit your sites to my porn search engine below.

Cheers,
Darko

What a complete moron.

DamageX · 11-18-2003, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy
How sad... If you create a QUALITY site you can get listed in DMOZ without prejudice.

Yes. In 2007.

WiredGuy · 11-18-2003, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DamageX
Yes. In 2007.

Or by talking to an editor, a la juicy

WG

jimmyf · 11-18-2003, 02:09 PM

You sir are a stupid nitwit.

every site that I've submitted to DMOZ has gotten listed.

tootie · 11-18-2003, 02:10 PM

The people that add editors to DMOZ are so strange. There are tons of categories without editors, yet when you apply to one they deny you? And they don't even give a good reason? WTF!

For the record, I used to be an editor, but gave it up because I didn't have time for it anymore, but I've had several friends declined for categories that had no editors at all. That's just weird, weird, weird. No wonder it takes so long to get sites listed if they don't want editors. ??

Smokey The Bear · 11-18-2003, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by juicylinks
You know I am a DMOZ editor?

You just fucked yourself

You should try getting your own sites listed then

Forkbeard · 11-18-2003, 02:55 PM

I just put a new site online on Saturday and it was listed in DMOZ by the middle of Monday morning. I didn't even submit it. Needless to say, I was astounded.

Of course, it helps that I did get it listed on a site that (it looks like) the DMOZ editor for my category relies on in finding new sites to list. ;-)

Pornwizzard · 11-18-2003, 02:59 PM

Juicylinks here

You may be an honest editor, but don't you think it's possible that some ppl sign up (and get in) as editors for primary reason being to boost their sites?

This really pisses me off, what the fuck do you want? I just told you ppl what works, it's up to you what you do with the info. Who the fuck are you to pass judgement on me, you don't know me. For the record I never even bother signing up with dmoz, tried couple of times, didn't work. My sites are clean, I don't spam, I don't cheat (or even if I did, dmoz sure wouldn't see it). The categories I tried to get in under were on topic but still I never got in.

blow me, see if I ever give you a tip again

Darko

jennym · 11-18-2003, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mayday9
Juicylinks here
This really pisses me off, what the fuck do you want? Who the fuck are you to pass judgement on me, you don't know me..... I don't spam, I don't cheat
Darko

Telling people to submit to a non-adult category and later redirect to a porn site makes you a total fuck-wad, so don't start getting all defensive now.

Pornwizzard · 11-18-2003, 03:27 PM

jennym,

didn't I put the word "cheat" in the title of this post? so what are you on about?

Darko

Theo · 11-18-2003, 03:33 PM

here's another tip:

it's easier to get listed under kids/pre-school dmoz category

http://www.dmoz.org/Kids_and_Teens/Pre-School/

am i right mayday9?

Jay3 · 11-18-2003, 03:34 PM

Well I wouldn't do it but I can understand your frustration.....I don't cheat in this biz simply because I think that eventually it will haunt you. But I can't say i don't understand all the frustration.

Pornwizzard · 11-18-2003, 03:43 PM

Soul_rebel,

make me a terrorist and a child molestor, why don't you? what's wrong with you people? did I somehow offend you by expressing my oppinion about dmoz? Or did you get the impression that I'm saying cheating is good?

There's an exploit right there for ppl to know and dmoz to fix. end of the story

Darko

Scootermuze · 11-18-2003, 03:53 PM

I applied as an editor some time back..
Got declined because.. as they said.. They felt I was just applying in order to list my own sites...

I didn't even have any sites at the time...

Not quite sure where their logic lies..

Pornwizzard · 11-18-2003, 03:59 PM

you see.. they denied you for the exact same reason I stated above. That means they must have had problems with such editors and are trying to fix. I rest my case.

Darko

MrIzzz · 11-18-2003, 04:07 PM

mayday.............your on gfy, what did u expect as a response?

anyway, i bet you a dozen people have/or will try this

Pornwizzard · 11-18-2003, 04:15 PM

MrIzzz,

I'm new here, wasn't quite expecting a response like that. but I got the hang of it in my 2nd post

Darko

CDSmith · 11-18-2003, 04:17 PM

Cheating is wrong. No wonder dmoz is so difficult to get listed in. Fucking cheaters wreck everything good.

Pornwizzard · 11-18-2003, 04:20 PM

CdSmith,

Agreed. I was refering to cheating editors, you're refering to cheating webmasters who are trying to get listed. In the end both are ruining a service (dmoz) built on a wonderful theory, gone bad in practice.

Darko

CamChicks · 11-18-2003, 04:36 PM

I have submitted CAMCHICKS.COM to the appropriate category/s on DMOZ several times, without success. Use their feedback form to try and contact editors. No response. It's really frustrating.

I even volunteered to edit the camgirl-related categorys myself, since noone else is doing it. (closest editor is way up the chain) Again, no response.

BaldBastard · 11-18-2003, 04:50 PM

What you will see is fake PR, its even more fun to take a dead domain and do a redirect to cnn.com.
This technique gets you no more traffic from google though as its fake Page rank where this does become scary is when your trading links based on the Pr of a site.

Also getting listed in Dmoz is the hard part, lots of catergorys you will wait over 6 months now and thats just for them to have a look.

Due to the current credit card scrubbing for adult I would say that if your sending non adult PR to an adult domain your a complete moron, there are fist's more $$$ to be made in non adult.

I have over 400 listings in Dmoz, and I am NOT an editor there ;p

Terenzo · 11-19-2003, 03:49 AM

mayday9

just consider the business error you are running into: you could make a lot more out of the regular site.

i wont comment the ethic aspect, fortunately most people have a sense for business and wont try loosing money by posting porn sites into firefighter categories unless its a gay hairy firefighter porn site

Bake · 11-19-2003, 04:09 AM

I thought it was dumb when he posted it on my board where theres alot less intertested people in stupidity.

SomeCreep · 11-19-2003, 04:14 AM

DMOZ, whats that word mean again? Let me look it up in the dictionary...

ah yes, there it is, "Worst search engine on planet earth." I remember now.

Groove · 11-19-2003, 04:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mayday9
make me a terrorist and a child molestor, why don't you? what's wrong with you people? did I somehow offend you by expressing my oppinion about dmoz? Or did you get the impression that I'm saying cheating is good?

Dude you're promoting a technique which involves people (inevitably including children!) clicking on a link to a "firefighters page" and ending-up on a hardcore pornsite. Well go fuck yourself! It's people like you that give our industry a bad name!

Pornwizzard · 11-19-2003, 04:55 AM

When did I ever say "I" was doing it? dude I've been working in this industry before you ever touched a keyboard. Now I see why disclaimers are so popular among US ppl.. I should have put a disclaimer at the beginning of my post. I gave you some free info and if you don't like it just blow me or something..

Darko

goBigtime · 11-19-2003, 04:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Groove

Dude you're promoting a technique which involves people (inevitably including children!) clicking on a link to a "firefighters page" and ending-up on a hardcore pornsite. Well go fuck yourself! It's people like you that give our industry a bad name!

Use mod_rewrite to direct traffic from the DMOZ to the proper page? ::shrugs::

fsfaz · 11-19-2003, 05:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by juicylinks
You know I am a DMOZ editor?

You just fucked yourself

Same here ... were on to you now.

Pornwizzard · 11-19-2003, 05:10 AM

hahaha you ppl are crazy, I want what you're smoking

SpaceAce · 11-19-2003, 05:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by fsfaz

Same here ... were on to you now.

I am also an editor and I do random checks on the URLs in the category I edit (which is pretty small).

Bitch, bitch, bitch. People piss and moan about DMOZ and DMOZ editors all the time and it's all bullshit. If you spent one day editing there you'd understand why it takes forever to get listed and why you sometimes don't get listed at all.

SpaceAce

Pornwizzard · 11-19-2003, 05:15 AM

does DMOZ get a lot of ppl reporting bad editors?

how bout that cgi error, when you fill out the entire form and press submit then it all dies.. is that fixed yet? I remember ppl complaining about that for months

Darko

gornyhuy · 11-19-2003, 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by CamChicks
I have submitted CAMCHICKS.COM to the appropriate category/s on DMOZ several times, without success. Use their feedback form to try and contact editors. No response. It's really frustrating.
I even volunteered to edit the camgirl-related categorys myself, since noone else is doing it. (closest editor is way up the chain) Again, no response.

Same story here.... submitted a bunch of quality cam sites and directories as my examples but got declined as an editor for a totally neglected category.

fnet · 12-22-2003, 06:11 PM

this post is listed in dmoz

funkmaster · 12-22-2003, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mayday9

Ok, now the tip:
1.) Find a god forsaken non-adult category (part of dmoz) with very few number of sites listed and make a quick clean site on the topic. For example make a site about retired firefighters from Ohio or something
2.) You should have no problem getting that site listed in dmoz
3.) after it's listed wait for a few days just in case
4.) do a 301 redirect from your firefighters page to your porn
5.) voila on next google directory update you have high PR

you are a fucking joke, save your work and effords and just get yourself some expired DMOZ domains ... ya twat.

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reynold · 12-22-2003, 10:05 PM

Heheheehehehe

I applaud your creativity.

Quote:

Originally posted by mayday9
Hey,

Posted this on few other boards, but not everybody reads them all so here it goes again. Btw, forgive me if this is old news and has been discussed before.

I saw a guy posting SEO tips and thought I would contribute.

I don't like dmoz cause most editors that organize adult categories are biased, list their own sites but refuse others for no reason except to dominate the category and keep competition down. Well can't really blame them, but it's not fair or by the rules.

Ok, now the tip:
1.) Find a god forsaken non-adult category (part of dmoz) with very few number of sites listed and make a quick clean site on the topic. For example make a site about retired firefighters from Ohio or something
2.) You should have no problem getting that site listed in dmoz
3.) after it's listed wait for a few days just in case
4.) do a 301 redirect from your firefighters page to your porn
5.) voila on next google directory update you have high PR

dmoz cheaters.. If you can't beat them, join them.

ppl, submit your sites to my porn search engine below.

Cheers,
Darko

wimpy · 12-27-2003, 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JDog
fuck you, do it the right way, and if google finds out, you could get blocked

Fuck Google. I'm blocking him right now!

NoAngel · 12-27-2003, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by juicylinks
You know I am a DMOZ editor?

You just fucked yourself

11-18-2003, 01:48 PM	#1
Pornwizzard Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 135	DMOZ PageRank tip (cheat) Hey, Posted this on few other boards, but not everybody reads them all so here it goes again. Btw, forgive me if this is old news and has been discussed before. I saw a guy posting SEO tips and thought I would contribute. I don't like dmoz cause most editors that organize adult categories are biased, list their own sites but refuse others for no reason except to dominate the category and keep competition down. Well can't really blame them, but it's not fair or by the rules. Ok, now the tip: 1.) Find a god forsaken non-adult category (part of dmoz) with very few number of sites listed and make a quick clean site on the topic. For example make a site about retired firefighters from Ohio or something 2.) You should have no problem getting that site listed in dmoz 3.) after it's listed wait for a few days just in case 4.) do a 301 redirect from your firefighters page to your porn 5.) voila on next google directory update you have high PR dmoz cheaters.. If you can't beat them, join them. ppl, submit your sites to my porn search engine below. Cheers, Darko __________________ ICQ: 113063724

11-18-2003, 01:52 PM	#3
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,490	How sad... If you create a QUALITY site you can get listed in DMOZ without prejudice. PS: Editors do frequently review the sites in their categories, so your trick will work for no more than 2-3 months in most categories. WG __________________ I play with Google.

11-18-2003, 01:52 PM	#4
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11-18-2003, 02:09 PM	#9
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11-18-2003, 02:10 PM	#10
tootie Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Planet Earp Posts: 6,041	The people that add editors to DMOZ are so strange. There are tons of categories without editors, yet when you apply to one they deny you? And they don't even give a good reason? WTF! For the record, I used to be an editor, but gave it up because I didn't have time for it anymore, but I've had several friends declined for categories that had no editors at all. That's just weird, weird, weird. No wonder it takes so long to get sites listed if they don't want editors. ?? __________________

11-18-2003, 01:49 PM	#2
Weppel Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 2,190	Thats just... nasty

11-18-2003, 01:52 PM	#5
Juicy D. Links So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: N.Y. -Long Island -- Posts: 122,992	You know I am a DMOZ editor? You just fucked yourself

11-18-2003, 02:55 PM	#12
Forkbeard Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: I Roam Around Posts: 2,236	I just put a new site online on Saturday and it was listed in DMOZ by the middle of Monday morning. I didn't even submit it. Needless to say, I was astounded. Of course, it helps that I did get it listed on a site that (it looks like) the DMOZ editor for my category relies on in finding new sites to list. ;-) __________________ Offering sponsored blog posts and custom writing services.

11-18-2003, 02:59 PM	#13
Pornwizzard Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 135	Juicylinks here You may be an honest editor, but don't you think it's possible that some ppl sign up (and get in) as editors for primary reason being to boost their sites? This really pisses me off, what the fuck do you want? I just told you ppl what works, it's up to you what you do with the info. Who the fuck are you to pass judgement on me, you don't know me. For the record I never even bother signing up with dmoz, tried couple of times, didn't work. My sites are clean, I don't spam, I don't cheat (or even if I did, dmoz sure wouldn't see it). The categories I tried to get in under were on topic but still I never got in. blow me, see if I ever give you a tip again Darko __________________ ICQ: 113063724

11-18-2003, 03:27 PM	#15
Pornwizzard Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 135	jennym, didn't I put the word "cheat" in the title of this post? so what are you on about? Darko __________________ ICQ: 113063724

11-18-2003, 03:33 PM	#16
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	here's another tip: it's easier to get listed under kids/pre-school dmoz category http://www.dmoz.org/Kids_and_Teens/Pre-School/ am i right mayday9?

11-18-2003, 03:34 PM	#17
Jay3 Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: San Diego California Posts: 246	Well I wouldn't do it but I can understand your frustration.....I don't cheat in this biz simply because I think that eventually it will haunt you. But I can't say i don't understand all the frustration. __________________ <A HREF="http://www.contentlotto.com/index.php?account=jay3"><IMG SRC="http://www.contentlotto.com/images/contentlottobutton.gif"></A>

11-18-2003, 03:43 PM	#18
Pornwizzard Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 135	Soul_rebel, make me a terrorist and a child molestor, why don't you? what's wrong with you people? did I somehow offend you by expressing my oppinion about dmoz? Or did you get the impression that I'm saying cheating is good? There's an exploit right there for ppl to know and dmoz to fix. end of the story Darko __________________ ICQ: 113063724

11-18-2003, 03:53 PM	#19
Scootermuze Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 4,513	I applied as an editor some time back.. Got declined because.. as they said.. They felt I was just applying in order to list my own sites... I didn't even have any sites at the time... Not quite sure where their logic lies..

11-18-2003, 03:59 PM	#20
Pornwizzard Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 135	you see.. they denied you for the exact same reason I stated above. That means they must have had problems with such editors and are trying to fix. I rest my case. Darko __________________ ICQ: 113063724

11-18-2003, 04:07 PM	#21
MrIzzz If u touch it, I will cum Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: long island Posts: 22,923	mayday.............your on gfy, what did u expect as a response? anyway, i bet you a dozen people have/or will try this __________________ WHO WANTS TO PLAY GRAB-ASS?

11-18-2003, 04:15 PM	#22
Pornwizzard Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 135	MrIzzz, I'm new here, wasn't quite expecting a response like that. but I got the hang of it in my 2nd post Darko __________________ ICQ: 113063724

11-18-2003, 04:17 PM	#23
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	Cheating is wrong. No wonder dmoz is so difficult to get listed in. Fucking cheaters wreck everything good. __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634

11-18-2003, 04:20 PM	#24
Pornwizzard Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 135	CdSmith, Agreed. I was refering to cheating editors, you're refering to cheating webmasters who are trying to get listed. In the end both are ruining a service (dmoz) built on a wonderful theory, gone bad in practice. Darko __________________ ICQ: 113063724

11-18-2003, 04:36 PM	#25
CamChicks Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: godless northwest Posts: 1,552	I have submitted CAMCHICKS.COM to the appropriate category/s on DMOZ several times, without success. Use their feedback form to try and contact editors. No response. It's really frustrating. I even volunteered to edit the camgirl-related categorys myself, since noone else is doing it. (closest editor is way up the chain) Again, no response. __________________ camchicks.com

11-18-2003, 04:50 PM	#26
BaldBastard Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Sydney Posts: 16,274	What you will see is fake PR, its even more fun to take a dead domain and do a redirect to cnn.com. This technique gets you no more traffic from google though as its fake Page rank where this does become scary is when your trading links based on the Pr of a site. Also getting listed in Dmoz is the hard part, lots of catergorys you will wait over 6 months now and thats just for them to have a look. Due to the current credit card scrubbing for adult I would say that if your sending non adult PR to an adult domain your a complete moron, there are fist's more $$$ to be made in non adult. I have over 400 listings in Dmoz, and I am NOT an editor there ;p

11-19-2003, 03:49 AM	#27
Terenzo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 971	mayday9 just consider the business error you are running into: you could make a lot more out of the regular site. i wont comment the ethic aspect, fortunately most people have a sense for business and wont try loosing money by posting porn sites into firefighter categories unless its a gay hairy firefighter porn site

11-19-2003, 04:09 AM	#28
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11-19-2003, 04:14 AM	#29
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11-19-2003, 04:55 AM	#31
Pornwizzard Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 135	When did I ever say "I" was doing it? dude I've been working in this industry before you ever touched a keyboard. Now I see why disclaimers are so popular among US ppl.. I should have put a disclaimer at the beginning of my post. I gave you some free info and if you don't like it just blow me or something.. Darko __________________ ICQ: 113063724

11-19-2003, 05:10 AM	#34
Pornwizzard Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 135	hahaha you ppl are crazy, I want what you're smoking __________________ ICQ: 113063724

11-19-2003, 05:15 AM	#36
Pornwizzard Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 135	does DMOZ get a lot of ppl reporting bad editors? how bout that cgi error, when you fill out the entire form and press submit then it all dies.. is that fixed yet? I remember ppl complaining about that for months Darko __________________ ICQ: 113063724 Last edited by mayday9; 11-19-2003 at 05:17 AM..

12-22-2003, 06:11 PM	#38
fnet Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,721	this post is listed in dmoz __________________ the sound of one hand googlewhacking