What is 'exclusive' when it is used by content providers? - GoFuckYourself.com

Webmaster Advertising · 11-15-2003, 03:27 PM

I recently purchased what i was told was 'exclusive' content from a content provider / photographer however, i now discover that this same content is being sold by a Broker.

Is this a standard business practise or have i been anally raped by this guy?

xdcdave · 11-15-2003, 03:31 PM

well that by definition would be 'non-exclusive'. sounds like you're getting ass raped, post a name and lets start the trash talking.

Dirty F · 11-15-2003, 03:39 PM

Exclusive is content made for you, alone, imo.

Oracle Porn · 11-15-2003, 03:41 PM

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Originally posted by xdcdave
well that by definition would be 'non-exclusive'. sounds like you're getting ass raped, post a name and lets start the trash talking.

what he said

MixPhoto · 11-15-2003, 03:49 PM

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Originally posted by Webmaster Advertising
I recently purchased what i was told was 'exclusive' content from a content provider / photographer however, i now discover that this same content is being sold by a Broker.

Is this a standard business practise or have i been anally raped by this guy?

I make exclusive only for 1 client... I think who You need read your contract and take measures

Webmaster Advertising · 11-15-2003, 03:56 PM

Thanks guys thats what i thought was meant by 'exclusive' too.

Just wanted to make sure it wasnt possible in general that it could have meant the model was exclusive to the photographer.

Now to send a couple of emails.

Thanks for the assistance.

tmphoto · 11-15-2003, 05:57 PM

Yes, exclusvie means only you have a license to use that material for the purposes stated in the license.

You need to deal with a reputable shooter....

I know one for sure if you still need exclusive content... References on request .... lol

beemk · 11-15-2003, 06:01 PM

are you sure it wasnt one of those brokers selling a bunch of stolen content?

Imageauction · 11-15-2003, 06:37 PM

Exclusive should mean for you and you alone. but a lot of times you'll see contracts written that you get "exclusive for a period of x months". Read your contract / license. Thats where you'll find out if you're being shafted. Personally I don't believe in the value of exclusive content because ones you put it on the web for people to look at its no longer exclusively yours (legally it may be but not practically).

Sigurd · 11-16-2003, 02:48 AM

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Originally posted by Imageauction
Exclusive should mean for you and you alone. but a lot of times you'll see contracts written that you get "exclusive for a period of x months". Read your contract / license. Thats where you'll find out if you're being shafted. Personally I don't believe in the value of exclusive content because ones you put it on the web for people to look at its no longer exclusively yours (legally it may be but not practically).

Yeah, you're right, it's hard in the Web to have only one place with your exclusive content, htere are lots of cheaters, but if Content provider would sell content, which it made you exclusively - it's a bad biz...

And I think, Webmaster Advertising, that this "Broker" just sell a stolen content, you need to punish him.

Zappu · 11-16-2003, 03:28 AM

That is the reason why we offer "exclusive" only what we have produced by our own. Especially getting exclusive content from the east does not mean exclusive (only you have it) everytime

And just think about it. When you will buy a set & videos for just $100 it will never be exclusive, even you were told so

KraZ · 11-16-2003, 03:38 AM

I'm a content provider myself so when I say I exclusive I mean 100% exclusive with no limitations in terms of media or timeframe. It's a direct transfer of the rights to the content.

The situation you're describing could result from:

1) The CP you dealt with sold you a 3- or 6- month exclusive (a lot of reputable CPs do that - for example, Zmasters). So it's a fair game - just check your license.

2) The CP got his content stolen and a "broker" is reselling it. I don't think this is very likely because it's much harder to steal exclusive content than regular zipped galleries hosted online.

3) The CP is trying to make a quick buck on the side hoping no one will notice.

I suggest you approach both the CP and the broker and compare versions. THEN post it here so we know who's to blame.

Peter Romero · 11-16-2003, 03:40 AM

If I shoot exclusive for a client, I send him the original 2257, model release, signed photocopied ID's and raw un-edited footage. You got non-exclusive content if you got anything else. Contact me next time, I have great references... some of the biggest in the biz.

KraZ · 11-16-2003, 03:45 AM

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Originally posted by Imageauction
Personally I don't believe in the value of exclusive content because ones you put it on the web for people to look at its no longer exclusively yours (legally it may be but not practically).

Imageauction, I think you gotta a point but this is true for all business. When you create something exclusive and new you gain the first mover advantage. Then, if you're successful you get copied so you need to move fast.

Look at Bangbus - it is immitated but the guys who did it have earned both the respect in the industry and the bulk of the paying customers.

Exclusive content differentiates you and helps you sell - look at the hottest newcomer - taxicams.com. They're converting like crazy because their content is UNIQUE. I can probably download a clip or two from Kazaa but that doesn't change the fact that taxicams is making money big time exactly because they have EXCLUSIVE content.

Peter Romero · 11-16-2003, 03:47 AM

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Originally posted by Zappu
That is the reason why we offer "exclusive" only what we have produced by our own. Especially getting exclusive content from the east does not mean exclusive (only you have it) everytime

And just think about it. When you will buy a set & videos for just $100 it will never be exclusive, even you were told so

Dito what he said. Exclusive = cost of model & photographer & crew for a day... $1000 minimum and up from there. $100? Well... you can get a few pizzas for $100, not some young new hot nasty slut takin it up the ass by her 12 inch boyfriend she just met at getting a mouthfulla his DNA!

Hey Zappu... nice content, put me back on your mailing list. rgarcia at socal dot rr dot com

Paul Markham · 11-16-2003, 04:25 AM

Exclusive means that scene with thos egirls belongs to one client and one client only. It doues not mean it goes to another guy next week and it should be a life time license.

You need to tell the producer you want a refund and tell the broker the situation. Also in fairness to others if the producer does not come up with a 100% cast iron excuse expose him here. Too many rip off artists in this game.

But a few weeks ago I did have a guy trying to sell me content, who had sold exclusive to a client who had not paid him. So that invalidates the agrreement IMHO.

However if you shoot half way decent content these days, shooting exclusive is losing the producer money. Most buyers want to pay less than it's worth selling off your site non-exclusive. The only benefit is cash flow and if you shoot well with a good site cash flow is never a problem.

Mutt · 11-16-2003, 04:29 AM

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Originally posted by Imageauction
Personally I don't believe in the value of exclusive content because ones you put it on the web for people to look at its no longer exclusively yours (legally it may be but not practically).

Tell that to BangBros, NastyDollars, ATK, Karups, FuckingMachines, ALSCANS, Lightspeed, Netvideogirls, quiet, AmateurPages, DannisHarddrive, Suze Randall and .........

It's not the only way to make money but it's worked for tons of people who would tell you it's the major reason they've succeeded.

bopha · 11-16-2003, 05:13 AM

I hope you'll post this companies name.

If this would happen to me, I'd post it , especially if you had an agreement with your photographer.

Companies that do this to customers and fellow webmasters would probably be surprised how word of mouth could hurt their business. They deserve to be made an example of.

There are a lot of great photographers who are stand up people . No one would miss an unscrupulous photographer who screws over his clients.

KraZ · 11-16-2003, 05:38 AM

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Originally posted by Mutt

Tell that to BangBros, NastyDollars, ATK, Karups, FuckingMachines, ALSCANS, Lightspeed, Netvideogirls, quiet, AmateurPages, DannisHarddrive, Suze Randall and .........

My thoughts exactly... I've worked for some of the above and they've never complained about getting an exclusive license

Zappu · 11-16-2003, 08:22 AM

@POV Porn guy

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Hey Zappu... nice content, put me back on your mailing list.

I would love to do this, but I can not find your mail, nor your username, sorry. Drop me a note or hit me via icq: 23141467

Nydahl · 11-16-2003, 08:43 AM

first ,you should have signed contract so you can sue the producer and broker.If you have good contract you can't loose the case and will make good money

Peter Romero · 11-16-2003, 11:15 AM

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Originally posted by Zappu
@POV Porn guy

I would love to do this, but I can not find your mail, nor your username, sorry. Drop me a note or hit me via icq: 23141467

rgarcia at socal dot rr dot com

imageman · 11-16-2003, 11:25 AM

When we shoot exclusive images the clients get the chromes ( Slides for the UK members) and copy's of IDs and model release, or they get a CD of the digital images. No images are used for any other reason unless expressly agreed upon before the shoot takes place. Exclusive to us means just that the client has exclusive rights to those images and they may be used for any pre agreed purpose. By the way we only shoot exclusive images and video not mass produced content.
Hope that helps

Imageman

Imageauction · 11-16-2003, 12:31 PM

Mutt,

I will have to disagree. Bangbus, DHD, ALSSCAN and others you mentioned make money because they are able to continously produce new content that has attracted members to stick around waiting for the next in the series. If all Bangbus did was produce one video and stick it on their site and say "oh we have exclusive on this" they would be toast. Its better to own a gold mine than a nugget of gold.

"Value is no longer in the content but in the ability to continually and consistently produce content"

see my article in Ynot if you want to learn more....

http://ynotnews.ynotmasters.com/issu...403/page2.html

Jason

11-15-2003, 03:27 PM	#1
Webmaster Advertising So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,360	What is 'exclusive' when it is used by content providers? I recently purchased what i was told was 'exclusive' content from a content provider / photographer however, i now discover that this same content is being sold by a Broker. Is this a standard business practise or have i been anally raped by this guy?

11-15-2003, 03:31 PM	#2
xdcdave Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: North East Posts: 1,911	well that by definition would be 'non-exclusive'. sounds like you're getting ass raped, post a name and lets start the trash talking. __________________

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tmphoto Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Northern CA Posts: 99	Yes, exclusvie means only you have a license to use that material for the purposes stated in the license. You need to deal with a reputable shooter.... I know one for sure if you still need exclusive content... References on request .... lol __________________ See our content at www.tm-photo.net

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beemk CLICK HERE Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 20,829	are you sure it wasnt one of those brokers selling a bunch of stolen content? __________________ I host with Vacares

11-15-2003, 06:37 PM	#9
Imageauction Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 355	Exclusive should mean for you and you alone. but a lot of times you'll see contracts written that you get "exclusive for a period of x months". Read your contract / license. Thats where you'll find out if you're being shafted. Personally I don't believe in the value of exclusive content because ones you put it on the web for people to look at its no longer exclusively yours (legally it may be but not practically). __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

11-15-2003, 03:39 PM	#3
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	Exclusive is content made for you, alone, imo.

11-15-2003, 03:56 PM	#6
Webmaster Advertising So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,360	Thanks guys thats what i thought was meant by 'exclusive' too. Just wanted to make sure it wasnt possible in general that it could have meant the model was exclusive to the photographer. Now to send a couple of emails. Thanks for the assistance.

11-16-2003, 03:28 AM	#11
Zappu Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,556	That is the reason why we offer "exclusive" only what we have produced by our own. Especially getting exclusive content from the east does not mean exclusive (only you have it) everytime And just think about it. When you will buy a set & videos for just $100 it will never be exclusive, even you were told so __________________ Zappu (ICQ: 23141467) European Erotik Content Archive CONTENT4FREE = CONTENT4CLICKS X JOIN NOW!

11-16-2003, 03:38 AM	#12
KraZ Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: ICQ:: 18822023 Posts: 2,636	I'm a content provider myself so when I say I exclusive I mean 100% exclusive with no limitations in terms of media or timeframe. It's a direct transfer of the rights to the content. The situation you're describing could result from: 1) The CP you dealt with sold you a 3- or 6- month exclusive (a lot of reputable CPs do that - for example, Zmasters). So it's a fair game - just check your license. 2) The CP got his content stolen and a "broker" is reselling it. I don't think this is very likely because it's much harder to steal exclusive content than regular zipped galleries hosted online. 3) The CP is trying to make a quick buck on the side hoping no one will notice. I suggest you approach both the CP and the broker and compare versions. THEN post it here so we know who's to blame. __________________ Selling MedicalPorn,com and a dozen other gyno & doctor domains here: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=871984

11-16-2003, 03:40 AM	#13
Peter Romero Long time no happy ending Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: San Diego CA Posts: 10,578	If I shoot exclusive for a client, I send him the original 2257, model release, signed photocopied ID's and raw un-edited footage. You got non-exclusive content if you got anything else. Contact me next time, I have great references... some of the biggest in the biz. __________________ POVCash [email protected] See them all here: http://www.Petergirls.com

11-16-2003, 04:25 AM	#16
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Exclusive means that scene with thos egirls belongs to one client and one client only. It doues not mean it goes to another guy next week and it should be a life time license. You need to tell the producer you want a refund and tell the broker the situation. Also in fairness to others if the producer does not come up with a 100% cast iron excuse expose him here. Too many rip off artists in this game. But a few weeks ago I did have a guy trying to sell me content, who had sold exclusive to a client who had not paid him. So that invalidates the agrreement IMHO. However if you shoot half way decent content these days, shooting exclusive is losing the producer money. Most buyers want to pay less than it's worth selling off your site non-exclusive. The only benefit is cash flow and if you shoot well with a good site cash flow is never a problem. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

11-16-2003, 05:13 AM	#18
bopha Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 1,882	I hope you'll post this companies name. If this would happen to me, I'd post it , especially if you had an agreement with your photographer. Companies that do this to customers and fellow webmasters would probably be surprised how word of mouth could hurt their business. They deserve to be made an example of. There are a lot of great photographers who are stand up people . No one would miss an unscrupulous photographer who screws over his clients.

11-16-2003, 08:43 AM	#21
Nydahl Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: closer then it appears Posts: 6,655	first ,you should have signed contract so you can sue the producer and broker.If you have good contract you can't loose the case and will make good money __________________ www.garciniatrio.com www.acaitrio.com www.greencoffeetrio.com ICQ 153918034 email [email protected]

11-16-2003, 11:25 AM	#23
imageman Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,938	When we shoot exclusive images the clients get the chromes ( Slides for the UK members) and copy's of IDs and model release, or they get a CD of the digital images. No images are used for any other reason unless expressly agreed upon before the shoot takes place. Exclusive to us means just that the client has exclusive rights to those images and they may be used for any pre agreed purpose. By the way we only shoot exclusive images and video not mass produced content. Hope that helps Imageman

11-16-2003, 12:31 PM	#24
Imageauction Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 355	Mutt, I will have to disagree. Bangbus, DHD, ALSSCAN and others you mentioned make money because they are able to continously produce new content that has attracted members to stick around waiting for the next in the series. If all Bangbus did was produce one video and stick it on their site and say "oh we have exclusive on this" they would be toast. Its better to own a gold mine than a nugget of gold. "Value is no longer in the content but in the ability to continually and consistently produce content" see my article in Ynot if you want to learn more.... http://ynotnews.ynotmasters.com/issu...403/page2.html Jason __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.