Digipimp

Quick hop on and start charging your surfers a few dollars a minute to view your shitty sites that aren't even worth the $30 a month you normally ask for. Raping surfers is never a bad thing, at least you don't get charged back and VISA won't get mad at you. Who cares if it's ethical, you've got to pay for your cocaine and Lexus somehow right?

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Toolz

#1 misconception, the dialer is costly: False, the UK customer pays approximately $1.70 a minute for access to your site, and that's one of the higest paying countries. For the most part the surfers pay anywhere from .10-.30 a minute.

Given the fact that most guys can jerk-off in less than 10 minutes that's less than the cost of a trial for most surfers. Dialers are a cost effective way for surfers to access sites.

Digipimp

Good luck taking your serious with ADS in your sig. Now tell me how does ADS pay out .30 cents a minute if they're only charging the customer 30 cents a minute, are we going to get a 100% payout? I don't think so. I guess it's time to post their rates here.

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Marc De

Digipimp - that is COMPLETELY wrong. Many people's view in this industry of dialers is so tainted from past 'issues' it clogs good business decisions and good logic.

Dialers are preferred by many customers in foreign countries. It can also be argued that KNOWING how much expense you are accruing is much better than being subject to an auto-recurring monthly fee. Use it when you want for how long you want and know what you're paying.

Dialers are NOT a bad thing for this industry and properly filtering all your traffic to get non US/Can traffic to the proper billing method to earn optimal return will earn MANY MANY people 20-35% more to the bottom line!

Spunky

Huh Cocaine?

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jigg

except that most aren't stupid anymore and know what dialer is and how shitty the sites are so they go to the TGPs and get off for free.
and surf with IE who knows they might get a dialer autoinstalled hoping they got a dialup modem

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Digipimp

Do me a favor Marc since I'll be open to being convinced otherwise. Post me the prices that you charge your surfers country by country, post that rate sheet for me, not the rate that you payout to webmasters.

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jigg

if memory servers me right, in europe phones are charged per impulse, with certain amounth of impulses per one minute or several minutes.
each impulse costs so much euro cents

sex phones usually charge like 18 impulses per minute, as opposed to the regular 1 per every 5 minutes or so

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Carrie

I'd like to see the percentage of people screaming about dialers that have actually ever USED a dialer or dialer program... or if they're just parroting what they've heard from other people.

Point blank - It's not as costly as it used to be. They're NOT forced downloads unless you want them to be - it's perfectly sensible to put a link saying "No credit card? Charge by phone!" on your site as a payment option. If you have a paysite, you do NOT have to charge the surfers per minute, you can charge them a monthly access fee to their phone just as you do to their credit card.

And if you're so damned hot on the rates being posted, take the two minutes to go find out for yourself and quit begging everyone else to do it for you - laziness is the #1 reason there are so many $100/mo webmasters on this board as opposed to $10,000/mo.

JulianSosa

What is un etical about a dialer? With the new CC regulations I am sure you will see alot more people turning to alternative billing.


Your hints for them to buy advertising on your site are painfully obvious in the other thread

Digipimp

Actually that's just me fucking with them, I wouldn't sell my site as a whole unless I had to, but I don't have to and they don't want it so I have no moral dilemna to worry about.

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JulianSosa

Bullshit. You would sell your whole site advertising for 1k a day and you know it

And I forgot to mention that most big sponsors send a large chunk of foreign traffic to a dialer anyways, some pay you on it and some dont.

I hope ARS's solution offers webmasters a code to filter traffic on clicks by location

Digipimp

No I would hold at for at least another $20

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Snowone

Digipimp,

From what I understand the ARS dialer solution filters and pays based on country of the surfer origin.

It's even smart enough to send US and Canadian Traffic to the actual paysite where the surfer can join using a CC instead of via the dialer solution.

The one thing I'm not clear on is if the dialer solution is auto installing on a surfer's computer or if the surfer has to make a pro active choice to install and run the dialer software. The way I read their website I think the dialer is not auto installing and is telling the surfer up front that installing the dialer to access the site will cost $x.xx per minute...

Maybe MarcDe or Toolz can clarify that question...

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I'll drink to that.

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Libertine

FACT: most surfers hate dialers.
FACT: dialers are more expensive than CC memberships.
FACT: dialers do nothing with regards to age verification.
FACT: it happens often that children unknowingly use dialers and rack up huge phone bills for their parents. (I know about a young girl who got her parents a whopping $6k phone bill)

FACT: dialers can and will make you money, much more so than CC memberships for certain countries.

The choice is yours...

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Digipimp

Exactly what I'm saying. They might try to gloss it and make it pretty anyway they possibly can but the facts about dialers are still the same. They can spam a whole site or they can spam 100 fucking sites but they won't convince anyone that their shitty method of billing is the way to go. The people who don't give a fuck are already using a dialer and know about you, and everyone doesn't give a fuck about you.

So post your rates to surfers Marc, let me know what's up and convince me that you're different and you'll convince a whole lot of people to try your product.

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Ross

I'm not a fan of dialers, but a few weeks ago there was one on almost all the big MGP's. It was for UK traffic only. We were made an offer to put it on our sites (collectively we have a lot of traffic on our 3 sites) and the guy made us a good offer, very good offer. We were thinking about it but then it all went shit faced so we never did actually make our decision!!!

I wouldn't out this one on my site, its for all types of traffic, and you would loose surfers......

richard

What is funny, is that 1-2 years ago, if you came on GFY and said "i have a dialer program, come give it a try" you would have been flammed to hell and back.

I find it quite amazing that in the space of a year or so, people seem to have completely change their mind, and dialers are now the shiznit.

Toolz- i call bullshit on:

To payout on a £1/min line ($1.70/min), $1.41 is an £0.84/minute payout, which i highly doubt is happening.

I would think that the UK customer pays $2.50/minute.

Anyone got an ADS dialer link that i can take a look at?

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FATPad

Dialers are not bad. Misuse of dialers is bad.

Of course, I don't think the ARS sites are worth what they charge per month, so the per minute fees are going to be a total ripoff.

However, if the pricing is properly disclosed, there are no surprise charges, and the use is 100% voluntary, let the surfer decide if it's worth it for him.

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playa

I love ADS,
I just use the geo-targeting thing. Most of those countries won't make you money anyways,, better off sending them to dialer and from what i can tell its not one of those aggressive dialers

Nathan

There are a lot more expensive countries...

Austria has premium numbers that charge over 3 euros a minute.

Germany's preferred dialer number charges around $2 per minute

All the $0.10-$0.30 countries are international terminators. Nothing special.

And 90% of the minutes are going to be from Europe, which mostly all have premium numbers. And don't think just because ADS pays 0.25 for belgium is because their premium numbers are cheap. Far from it, the telcom payouts just suck.

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Toolz

Smartone, you actually decided which URL you would like your US/Can traffic to go to or it defaults to a paysite in the ARS portfolio.

The dialer does NOT auto-download the surfer has to click yes to the download. In addition when they connect each time they must agree to the Terms of Service regarding the rates, etc.

Digipimp

From what I could see it doesn't look to be agressive but I couldn't really find any pricing for surfers or that type of info that I wanted to see. Maybe I have to sign up to get access to that type of info.

I'm not against a dialer if it's well laid out what the surfer is getting into and what it will cost and all that good stuff. I just couldn't find it, so maybe I need a link or they will post the rate to surfers as I've asked 3 times now.

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playa

Thats a good question.

But for long as i knew about dialers i believe i never heard of a rate sheet on how much the surfers are charged per minute.

Maybe they just don't know cause they never asked?

Nathan

Marc,

I do not know where you take your facts from. Dialers are definatelynot preferred by many customers in foreign countries. Why do you think "this is no dialer" type links and "anti-dialer" apps all over the place?

Also, why do you think the UK, Germany, Austria and other countries have made it a LOT more difficult to do premium dialers? From registering dialers with the government to almost impossible-to-do feature sets that HAVE to be in the dialer app.

Also the EU is working on a EU wide guideline for this stuff. It has been missused from day one because dialers can be made to NOT need any type of input from surfers to cause payment. I am sure everyone here knows all the mess that has happened and that basically killed off half the market.

Dialers might be a good solution for countries that simply normally have no big CC ownership, but dialers are misused all over the place and also for those countries they are misused! You really think chinese click-crazys like dialers? They have NO clue, look at what they click on, its mad. They will click Yes to any active-x they see and do not know what they are doing.

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Toolz

#1. False: Do you represent the majority of foreign surfers? Not sure how you could make this statement
#2. False: For most countries, UK excluded a 8-10 minute dialer call is cheaper than a $2.99 trial
#3. True: However it's relatively eas for a minor with any where with-all to get his parent's credit card number and access a site too, credit cards are issued to kids as young as 16 now with the parent signing a wavier, just because they have a credit card doesn't mean they're of age to access sites. There's no guaranteed technology out there for this yet.
#4. False: while this may have been true in the past current dialers require a running timer with an amount next to it racked up, in addition there are maximums installed for connect time each day/month, etc that would never get a customer anywhere near this amount of a charge.
#5. True: You're absolutely correct, for lots of foreign markets dialers are much more profitable

Thanks for pointing out the things you don't like about them, it's so hard to debate the arguement: "They suck"

FATPad

Is there a rate sheet on what surfers are charged per minute by country?

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jayeff

False?!?!? $102 an hour isn't costly? On which planet?

I have sold, still do sell dialers, but I don't think I have tried to kid myself they aren't a rip off. In less than 25 minutes a surfer has paid what an internet subscriber pays for a full month's access.

Out of curiosity, does anyone know what the phone company cut is (for example on the UK rate quoted) and how long the average monthly subscriber spends onsite each month?

ronbotx

Well put. As I see it, the only purpose for a dialer is to rip off surfers. Many here are ok with that.

Lens can advertise however he wants. It's his board. Personally the "high pressure" approach does not work with some of us. I will never use ADS, WegCash, or SWOIT which have been heavily "promoted" on GFY.

richard

Bullshit, they pay more than that.

$2.50/minute.

10 minute call costs $25, which is a rip-off compared to a $30/month cc membership.

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Digipimp

I've asked several times already but I'm begining to think this isn't exactly a question that's going to be answered anytime soon. I mean when I promote a website or sponsor, I like to know how the surfer is getting charged and how much, I would like to know the same on this one but my bet is that it's info they don't want to share.

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FATPad

Yea. I saw no one answered you.

If the sponsor can't tell you how much the surfer is paying, it makes me think it's a scam or underhanded in some way.

I'm gonna keep asking though.

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richard

http://www.iprs.com/domestic.asp

ADS might not use these exact specs, but it gives you a good idea of the common caller costs used.

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Digipimp

Makes me wonder at the very least. I was calling shitty dialer tactics out and they were quick to jump in on that. But I said I'm open to see the change but I want to see a sufers rates by country and convince me that you're not fucking them. I looked at their dialer sites and I couldnt' find a link to rate info or anything.

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Nathan

Its hard to know the exact rates for all countries. Since 90% of the numbers are international terminators, so it varies a lot there, even in the country depending on the telco used.

In Germany, the call will likely cost 1.86 EUR per minute (which is $2.19 currently) But since they only pay 0.50 it might be one of the cheaper numbers. In Austria, it COULD be as expensive as 3 EUR per minute ($3.53) but it depends on the type of number.
For the rest, I am not sure, since i do not know the rates off hand. Only ADS can of course give you the real ones.

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Nathan

Didn't notice this post, correct rates for the countries i know (Germany, Austria, Belgium)

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BrentD

Exactly why free sites and TGP's ruin the biz and take away at least 35% of revenues that could be paying us all.

I say kill the free porn, make everyone pay to see porn on the web and you will see a raise in revenues on every check...guaranteed!!!

But this will never happen due to the TGP popularity to drive traffic or sell traffic and due to avs masters using free sites to upsell to their paysites.

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BlackCrayon

its much like expecting someone to push a paysite not knowing what the surfers are paying for a trial/monthly membership. i haven't pushed a dialer since all the bullshit with the FTC went down a few years back but we knew how much surfers were being charged at least.

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Digipimp

You know I love to see these assclowns jump on and say well in Bulgaria it's only 35 cents a minute so we're no ripping anyone off. Hahaha you dumb fucks have cheaper rates in those countries, yeah cheaper if you're a US citizen, what do you think 35 cents a minute is worth to someone in Bulgaria, my guess is it's about $3 a minute here as it is with many of those poor eastern european countries. Is anyone buying that bullshit?

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BlackCrayon

but thats the eternal problem. you can't just axe all pics all together. what reason would surfers have for going to see your site? kill tgps/free sites, ect but where would those guys all go? i agree that tgps are too much but you need to give the surfers something to look in my opinion.

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Digipimp

I'm with you, I wish we could kill TGP and MGP, freesites and all these fuckers dragging the industry down and bringing negative heat. Kill all these fuckers, dialers, TGP, MGP, freesites off and revenues would rise without a doubt and pull a little heat off the protection of children. But these assclowns are all about a quick buck even if it's at the expense of society and their own industry.

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Digipimp

49 times it will be asked what the rates are for surfers but not answered.

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