To Tip or Not To Tip, Version 2.0

[TaDoW]

I thought the other thread was going to have something to do with friends as servers, but it didn't, so consider this:

We all have friends or have had friends at some point who are servers. If you go to eat at their restaurant, and they end up waiting on you - do you tip them or not?

My first inclination is NOT to tip, because it seems condescending and puts them even further into a "server" type role. However, I almost always end up leaving them a nice tip, because I also don't want them to think I'm 1.) a cheap ass, 2.) ungrateful, or 3.) not willing to give to a friend what I'd normally give to a complete stranger.

What do you guys/gals recommend?

[detoxed]

Be the biggest asshole, complain about your food, ask for free food, and dont leave a tip.

[Forest]

I expected my friends to tip me better then strangers

Or i called them cheap fucks infront of the entire bar

[Monique Niccole]

I always leave my friends who are bartenders and servers a HUGE tip. Even better than regular servers. Why wouldn't you? I know my friends hook me up.

[Juicy D. Links]

Neing a Ex bartendr I alwasy tip well unless its reallllly bad service

[Tala]

I'm of the mind set that it doesn't matter if I know them or not, I still base the amount of my tip (if any) on how good the service was. If the service was good, I'll give the standard 15%. If the service was excellent and above par, I'll give 20%. If the service really sucked ass, they don't get a damn thing, or, in some cases, a penny. (A penny is an open insult to the service received.)

[Sly_RJ]

I always tip well to begin with. Most of my friends are broke college kids, so I always give them extra.

[Kimmykim]

I always tip, period. Even poor service gets 15% from me, since I'm also the person who has a quiet word with the manager when things aren't right.

It's not always a servers fault that things dont go well, why punish them because the hostess triple sat them, the kitchen is in the weeds, or the bartender sucks ass?

[12clicks]

Originally posted by TaDoW
I thought the other thread was going to have something to do with friends as servers, but it didn't, so consider this:

We all have friends or have had friends at some point who are servers. If you go to eat at their restaurant, and they end up waiting on you - do you tip them or not?

My first inclination is NOT to tip, because it seems condescending and puts them even further into a "server" type role.

I know a house painter. Should I pay him to paint my house or stiff him because he's my friend?

[12clicks]

Originally posted by Kimmykim
since I'm also the person who has a quiet word with the manager when things aren't right.

you've never had a quiet word in your life.

[sherie]

My friends get huge tips!! And when it was me slinging the drink my friends tipped me amazingly!

[Kimmykim]

Originally posted by 12clicks


you've never had a quiet word in your life.

That one time in your ear I did ;)

[FookMi]

I like the color red.

[Sly_RJ]

Originally posted by TaDoW
I thought the other thread was going to have something to do with friends as servers, but it didn't, so consider this:

We all have friends or have had friends at some point who are servers. If you go to eat at their restaurant, and they end up waiting on you - do you tip them or not?

My first inclination is NOT to tip, because it seems condescending and puts them even further into a "server" type role. However, I almost always end up leaving them a nice tip, because I also don't want them to think I'm 1.) a cheap ass, 2.) ungrateful, or 3.) not willing to give to a friend what I'd normally give to a complete stranger.

What do you guys/gals recommend?

I really don't understand this. Just because somebody is your friend, why would you NOT tip them? That's their income, don't fuck with it. They take your table instead of another paying table, not only are you saving yourself money, but you're also costing THEM money.

Unless your friend says "no it's ok, don't tip me", a tip should be expected.

[12clicks]

Originally posted by Kimmykim


That one time in your ear I did ;)

moans don't count.

[JDog]

Originally posted by TaDoW
I thought the other thread was going to have something to do with friends as servers, but it didn't, so consider this:

We all have friends or have had friends at some point who are servers. If you go to eat at their restaurant, and they end up waiting on you - do you tip them or not?

My first inclination is NOT to tip, because it seems condescending and puts them even further into a "server" type role. However, I almost always end up leaving them a nice tip, because I also don't want them to think I'm 1.) a cheap ass, 2.) ungrateful, or 3.) not willing to give to a friend what I'd normally give to a complete stranger.

What do you guys/gals recommend?

My friends would get pissed if I tipped them, but I still did. It's weird they get pissed when someobody doesn't tip them, but then they don't care if you don't!

jDoG

[doober]

Tip everyone if they serve you right, they work for it and deserve it and even pay taxes on it where im from....
this applies to friends also, and anyone else you might think you could get away without tipping.

[Kimmykim]

Originally posted by 12clicks


moans don't count.

My tummy was hurting, I ate too much foie gras.

[axelcat]

I think you got to stick to the rules and tip him or her the same as you would to a complete stranger

[Odie]

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

I really don't understand this. Just because somebody is your friend, why would you NOT tip them? That's their income, don't fuck with it. They take your table instead of another paying table, not only are you saving yourself money, but you're also costing THEM money.

Unless your friend says "no it's ok, don't tip me", a tip should be expected.

okay as a bartender and server...when my friends come and visit me at my work I ALWAYS take very good care of them...their drinks are always triples and I ususally only charge them for 1 or 2 rounds of drinks and I usually throw the shooters at them...therefore, I expect my friends to take care of me as well...

one thing that most ppl don't know unless they've worked in the industry is that we as severs, HAVE to TIPOUt at the end of the night at least a minimum of 4.5% of our SALES!!!

SOOO, if u don't tip then u are costing ME $$$...in short, always take care of your friends when u visit...what comes around goes around...needless to say anyone who has had the pleasure of visiting me at work or gone out with me here in Toronto has never gone home SOBER!!!!

[TaDoW]

Originally posted by 12clicks


I know a house painter. Should I pay him to paint my house or stiff him because he's my friend?

but that's different

that's the difference between paying the tab and not paying the tab.

[12clicks]

Originally posted by Kimmykim

My tummy was hurting, I ate too much foie gras.

ahhh, how cute, you remember my pet name for it!

[Kimmykim]

Originally posted by TaDoW


but that's different

that's the difference between paying the tab and not paying the tab.

It would only be different if your friend owned the bar.

[12clicks]

Originally posted by TaDoW


but that's different

that's the difference between paying the tab and not paying the tab.

Not true. the tip is the tab for the service.

[TaDoW]

well, for the record, I think if I ever was a bartender or a waiter I'd be _pissed_ if my friends tipped me... it's like tipping your friend for holding the door for you. It's so fucking condescending. "Here. Here's a buck for being my servant."

[Kimmykim]

Originally posted by 12clicks


ahhh, how cute, you remember my pet name for it!

You don't really want me to answer that one do you?

[Tala]

Originally posted by Kimmykim
I always tip, period. Even poor service gets 15% from me, since I'm also the person who has a quiet word with the manager when things aren't right.

It's not always a servers fault that things dont go well, why punish them because the hostess triple sat them, the kitchen is in the weeds, or the bartender sucks ass?

Perhaps I was a bit unclear. Sorry about that. I"ve been both a server and a bartender, so I do know how it goes. But when a server is snippy, rude, or just plain apathetic he or she does not deserve a good tip. I don't care what personal problems are making him/her act in this manner, the customer doesn't need or deserve the attitude.

[12clicks]

Originally posted by Kimmykim


You don't really want me to answer that one do you?

hey, "petite foie gras" is still foie gras.

[12clicks]

Originally posted by TaDoW
well, for the record, I think if I ever was a bartender or a waiter I'd be _pissed_ if my friends tipped me... it's like tipping your friend for holding the door for you. It's so fucking condescending. "Here. Here's a buck for being my servant."

That's silly. their tips are their pay for doing their job.
You not tipping them is you not paying them for doing their job.

[Kimmykim]

Originally posted by 12clicks


hey, "petite foie gras" is still foie gras.

I'm racking my brain and can't decide if a baby duck is called a chick or not ;)

[TaDoW]

Originally posted by Tala
Perhaps I was a bit unclear. Sorry about that. I"ve been both a server and a bartender, so I do know how it goes. But when a server is snippy, rude, or just plain apathetic he or she does not deserve a good tip. I don't care what personal problems are making him/her act in this manner, the customer doesn't need or deserve the attitude.

agreed - I always will tip well. 20% is my "starting point", but if they do anything other than treat my table with the utmost respect it goes down from there, and if they treat my table amazingly - then it goes up. If there is any food comped, the server gets the value of that food in their tip (ESPECIALLY in the case when they're friends and comp me food as a favor)

[TaDoW]

Originally posted by 12clicks


That's silly. their tips are their pay for doing their job.
You not tipping them is you not paying them for doing their job.

they still get paid whether I tip them or not. ... see above about embursing them if they comp me food, etc.

again - this is only for friends, I just find it weird to throw money at my friends and make them dance like monkeys.

[Odie]

Originally posted by TaDoW
well, for the record, I think if I ever was a bartender or a waiter I'd be _pissed_ if my friends tipped me... it's like tipping your friend for holding the door for you. It's so fucking condescending. "Here. Here's a buck for being my servant."

see I don't see it that way...when my friends come to visit me it's like them coming to my home...I don't feel like a servant..most of my friends know that visiting me at work is one of the only places to find me...so it's not condescending..I buy them their drinks instead of them spending their $$ on drinks...they give it to me...plus I am also taking the time to serve them as opposed to taking another table...

[Forest]

Originally posted by sherie
My friends get huge tips!! And when it was me slinging the drink my friends tipped me amazingly!

isnt that what friends are for?

[12clicks]

Originally posted by TaDoW


they still get paid whether I tip them or not. ... see above about embursing them if they comp me food, etc.

incorrect. no one in the restaurant business works for a paycheck. they work for tips.

Originally posted by TaDoW
again - this is only for friends, I just find it weird to throw money at my friends and make them dance like monkeys.

I find that wierd to.
I also find it wierd to not pay your friends for the service everyone else in the building is paying them for.

[TaDoW]

Originally posted by 12clicks

I find that wierd to.
I also find it wierd to not pay your friends for the service everyone else in the building is paying them for.

if your friend "charges" you to do favors, then it really isn't a friendly gesture anymore, is it?

[Sly_RJ]

Originally posted by TaDoW


they still get paid whether I tip them or not. ... see above about embursing them if they comp me food, etc.

Oh great, they're still getting paid $3.50 an hour to wait on you, why give them tips?

Did you realize that some industries do not have to pay minimum wage. The food industry is one of them. Your friends that are waiters, they make crap per hour. That's why you'll always hear them talking about "good tip nights" and "bad tip nights."

[Monique Niccole]

Originally posted by TaDoW
if your friend "charges" you to do favors, then it really isn't a friendly gesture anymore, is it?

Dude...you're coming to his job. Not to his house for a little dinner party.

[Forest]

Originally posted by 12clicks

Iincorrect. no one in the restaurant business works for a paycheck. they work for tips.

management doesnt work for tips

Kitchen staff doesnt work for tips

cleaning crew ect ect ect

[TaDoW]

Originally posted by Afrekete


Dude...you're coming to his job. Not to his house for a little dinner party.

his job is to move food from the kitchen to my table.

from a friend, I consider everything above that to be "being a friend." - this is why I'd fume with rage if my friends ever tipped me if I was a server.

from a stranger - if they treat me well, etc. etc. etc. - I consider that to be "earning a tip."

I don't pay friends to act like my friend. again tho, anything that they comp me, I send back to them in the form of cash, usually off the record so the management and uncle sam don't know about it.

[Chichio]

I think it should be known that TaDoW has never held a server position, nor would he...so he says.

[smack]

if they're my friend i tip a MINIMUM of 20%

[C_U_Next_Tuesday]

I always tip my friends more.. why?..cause i love them and want them to be happy.
hate to have them glaring at me for taking up their time when someone else they could have waited on instead of you, would have given them a tip..

[Chichio]

EDDIE
All right. Everybody cough up some green for the little lady.

Come on. Throw in a buck.

MR. PINK
Uh-uh. I don't tip.

EDDIE
You don't tip?

MR. PINK
No - I don't believe in it.

EDDIE
You don't believe in tipping?

MR. BLUE
You know what these chicks make? They make shit.

MR. PINK
Don't give me that. She don't make enough money, she can quit.

(Mr. Blonde laughs.)
EDDIE
I don't even know a fucking Jew who'd have the balls to say that. Let me just get this straight. You don't ever tip, huh?

MR. PINK
I don't tip because society says I have to. Alright, I mean I'll tip if somebody really deserves a tip, if they really put forth the effort, I'll give 'em something extra, but I mean this tipping automatically is for the birds.

(Eddie laughs.)
I mean as far as I'm concerned they're just doing their job.

MR. BLUE
Hey, this girl was nice.

MR. PINK
She was OK - but she wasn't anything special.

MR. BLUE
What's special, take you in the back and suck your dick?

(They laugh.)
EDDIE
I'd go over 12% for that.

MR. PINK
Hey Look, I ordered coffee, right? Now we've been here a long fuckin time, and she's only filled my cup three times. When I order coffee, I want it filled six times

MR. BLONDE
Six times? Well, you know, what if she's too fucking busy?

MR. PINK
Words "too fucking busy" shouldn't be in a waitress' vocabulary.

EDDIE
Excuse me, Mr. Pink - the last fucking thing you need's another cup of coffee.

MR. PINK
Jesus Christ - I mean these ladies aren't starving to death. They make minimum wage. You know, I used to work minimum wage. And when I did, I wasn't lucky enough to have a job society deemed tip-worthy.

MR. BLUE
You don't care they're counting on your tips to live?

(Mr. Pink rubs two of his fingers together.)
MR. PINK
You know what this is? It's the world's smallest violin playing just for the waitresses.

MR. WHITE
You don't have any idea what you're talking about. These people bust their ass. This is a hard job.

MR. PINK
So's working at McDonald's, but you don't feel the need to tip them, do you? Why not? They're servin ya food. But no, society says don't tip these guys over here, but tip these guys over here. That's bullshit.

MR. WHITE
Waitressing is the number one occupation for female noncollege graduates in this country. It's the one job basically any woman can get and make a living on. The reason is because of their tips.

MR. PINK
(pauses) Fuck all that.

(They all laugh.)
MR. BROWN
Jesus Christ!

MR. PINK
Hey, I'm very sorry that the government taxes their tips. That's fucked up. That ain't my fault. It would appear that waitresses are just one of the many groups the government fucks in the ass on a regular basis. You show me a paper says the government shouldn't do that, I'll sign it. Put it to a vote, I'll vote for it. But what I won't do is play ball. And this non-college bullshit you're giving me, I got two words for that: "Learn to fuckin type." Cause if you're expecting me to help out with the rent, you're in for a big fuckin' surprise.

MR. ORANGE
Hey - he's convinced me. Give me my dollar back.

EDDIE
Hey! Leave the dollars there.

JOE
All right, ramblers, let's get ramblin'. Wait a minute. Who didn't throw in?

MR. ORANGE
Mr. Pink.

JOE
Mr. Pink? Why not?

MR. ORANGE
He don't tip.

JOE
He don't tip? What do you mean you don't tip?

MR. ORANGE
He don't believe in it.

JOE
Shut up. What do you mean you don't believe in it? Come on, you, cough up a buck, you cheap bastard. I paid for your goddamn breakfast.

MR. PINK
Alright - since you paid for the breakfast, I'll put in, but normally I would never do this.

[MetaMan]

u tip everyone and anyone no matter what. if u r a cheap fuck and cant spare change for a few students who work fulltime or people who are at least working and not on the system then u need to b slapped with a large weight.

it doesnt matter if they are friend or stranger, they are providing a serviceand basically get their wage from tips. my g/f is a waitress and some butch fucks have the nerve to leave crap or nothing after perfect service.

i would purposly take a crap in there sphagetti if they never tipped me and have the nerve to return.

[sherie]

Originally posted by Odie


okay as a bartender and server...when my friends come and visit me at my work I ALWAYS take very good care of them...their drinks are always triples and I ususally only charge them for 1 or 2 rounds of drinks and I usually throw the shooters at them...therefore, I expect my friends to take care of me as well...

one thing that most ppl don't know unless they've worked in the industry is that we as severs, HAVE to TIPOUt at the end of the night at least a minimum of 4.5% of our SALES!!!

SOOO, if u don't tip then u are costing ME $$$...in short, always take care of your friends when u visit...what comes around goes around...needless to say anyone who has had the pleasure of visiting me at work or gone out with me here in Toronto has never gone home SOBER!!!!

AMEN sista!! Odie is the WOMAN!! Best bartender on the planet, and makes a mean drink too!! Fabulous times at the Rosewater!!

[12clicks]

Originally posted by Forest


management doesnt work for tips

Kitchen staff doesnt work for tips

cleaning crew ect ect ect

dude, relax. we understand you were in the business.

[clubsexy]

Tip them, friends I would tip even more!

Don't go cheap just because it's your friends.

[12clicks]

Originally posted by TaDoW


his job is to move food from the kitchen to my table.

from a friend, I consider everything above that to be "being a friend." - this is why I'd fume with rage if my friends ever tipped me if I was a server.

from a stranger - if they treat me well, etc. etc. etc. - I consider that to be "earning a tip."

I don't pay friends to act like my friend. again tho, anything that they comp me, I send back to them in the form of cash, usually off the record so the management and uncle sam don't know about it.

well, since you won't see reason, just take our advice and tip or don't expect to keep your restaurant friends.

[TaDoW]

Originally posted by 12clicks


well, since you won't see reason, just take our advice and tip or don't expect to keep your restaurant friends.

fair enuf - I'll drink to that!