Life and Death situation....do you find Photogregg responcible or negligent?

[Serge_Oprano]

http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/index...=ST&f=1&t=7133

DO NOT post your answers on Oprano,
post them here.

[gornyhuy]

Skirting the main issue of AIDS and responsible practices:

It depends on the wording of the contract, but if a sponsor pays photogregg for a product, which PG produces and delivers, and PG independently selects talent and pays them as he sees fit, is there any liability chain from talent to sponsor?

I would think that all the liability falls on PG. Only if the sponsor contracts with and pays the talent directly would their be any liability to the sponsor for these issues.

[CDSmith]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano
http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/index...=ST&f=1&t=7133

Gregg, sweetheart, remember you wanted to piss with me?

I obliged and spoke with your models...
The most recent AIDS test I was able to find was...6 months old.

Just a thought..... why do models need to be TOLD to get fucking tested? If there is blame for lack of current testing, shouldn't it be at least shared? Those actively working in hardcore shouldn't need to be fucking told to get tested, just fucking go do it regularly. Producers need to make staying on top of that a top priority as well, but the models shouldn't have to be fucking told.

[Libertine]

Serge:

Photogregg, do your models have AIDS tests taken?

Photogregg:

For solo girl: NO

For anything sexual, we send them to "The Repository" in Ft. Lauderdale, or they don't work. Even then, we always use condums for hardcore shoots.

Dr. Moon is great to work with, even chicken shits like me that hate to have blood sucked out of em by a big needle.

Serge:

I hear different...

Serge:

hey, Forest, were you tested before Gregg shot
"Fat boys can fuck"?
I do not recall seeing condoms in that shoot...

Forest:

No I was not...

Photogregg:

As for hearing and knowing, welcome to the nature of this biz...lots of foolish gossip

Any producer, anytime they shoot hardcore is at risk. One of reasons we use couples as much as possible, and 2 of our series we do feature the same guy, who won't work with talent unless he see's a current test.

Serge:

Gregg, sweetheart, remember you wanted to piss with me?

I obliged and spoke with your models...
The most recent AIDS test I was able to find was...6 months old.

I did my DD to give you the piss you wanted so much...

Photogregg:

Hmmm Forest,
You're the one that brought your little cutie that would "only fuck you"

You're also the one that told us you couldn't get it up without condums and it was okay with the two of you.

Anyway, some of us have work to do...back to the grind

Serge:

ahhhh...if Forest was your only problem...
you don't get it, don't ya?

YOU ARE RESPONCIBLE FOR PEOPLE'S LIVES,
and so are your sponsors.

VERY irresponcible on your end...people gonna DIE because of your negligence.

You're welcome Serge

[Serge_Oprano]

Originally posted by gornyhuy
Skirting the main issue of AIDS and responsible practices:

It depends on the wording of the contract, but if a sponsor pays photogregg for a product, which PG produces and delivers, and PG independently selects talent and pays them as he sees fit, is there any liability chain from talent to sponsor?

I would think that all the liability falls on PG. Only if the sponsor contracts with and pays the talent directly would their be any liability to the sponsor for these issues.

if everything was that easy....

we live in litigatious society and I bet anybody ANYTHING, that if any of those models get AIDS, clients contracts won't save them from being brought into the law suit.

[EscortBiz]

serge where you there?

I was there and know that greg is extremly careful, besides test and all every time after a shoot stuff is washed or thrown out, seen it with my own eyes.

Do yourself a favor and dont try to start shit with greg.

[Serge_Oprano]

Originally posted by EscortBiz
serge where you there?

I was there and know that greg is extremly careful, besides test and all every time after a shoot stuff is washed or thrown out, seen it with my own eyes.

Do yourself a favor and dont try to start shit with greg.

the models tell otherwise...

gregg hotel piss so mnoi, gregg ego imeet,
v chiom tvoya problema?

[LadyMischief]

It's important to remember for producers, it's a VERY good idea to make sure your performers have CURRENT AIDS tests, and that you have copies of those tests on file. Why? Because if they get AIDS or any other STD, they can in fact come back later and sue you. And if you don't have their AIDS test to prove that they didn't have AIDS when they did work for you, and you can't prove they didn't, well..let's just say it would NOT be the porn producer the courts would side with, in most cases. I don't know Photogregg or about him, so I won't comment on a situation I know nothing about. My statement is just in general, and it's just good common sense, for cripes sakes!

[EscortBiz]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano


the models tell otherwise...

gregg hotel piss so mnoi, gregg ego imeet,
v chiom tvoya problema?

I know facts and you know tales of models that mostlikly he said he wont shoot.

[Serge_Oprano]

Originally posted by EscortBiz


I know facts and you know tales of models that mostlikly he said he wont shoot.

have you seen CURRENT AIDS tests with your own eyes?

YES or NO

[Forest]

Originally posted by EscortBiz


I know facts and you know tales of models that mostlikly he said he wont shoot.

escort

just so you know

I have sent him models that have not been tested that he has shot g/g b/g b/g/b and anal

I know this for a fact

[notjoe]

I think it depends on how the release form is worded. I know when i did a few shoots i explicitly stated i would not be held accountable for any sort of STD which they might come away with. I did however make the male & female (if they're not a couple) go get tested but as good as getting tested is you dont know if the chick/guy had unprotected sex since the time you sent them for testing.

I think as long as you take all the steps to prevent any STD, you make them sign the waiver/release form which releases you from any liabilities, you keep a copy of the test results you should be ok.

[EscortBiz]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano



have you seen CURRENT AIDS tests with your own eyes?

YES or NO

YES

[Serge_Oprano]

Escot, ne lez' v eto griaznoe delo, eto ne tvoi piss, ya nadeus'.

Esli ty zameshen v etom, morgni i ya otstanu kak plata za to chto ty kogda-to pomog moemu partneru

[Serge_Oprano]

Originally posted by EscortBiz


YES

ty chto, s nim v dole?

[EscortBiz]

Originally posted by Forest


escort

just so you know

I have sent him models that have not been tested that he has shot g/g b/g b/g/b and anal

I know this for a fact

Serge ICQed you or did he just run down to the basement?

I know way to well how stuff works there, very very careful.

[Forest]

Originally posted by EscortBiz


Serge ICQed you or did he just run down to the basement?

I know way to well how stuff works there, very very careful.

dude serge has nothing to do with this

gregg shot with a girl I had done a series with (one of my models)

NOT TESTED

I sent 3 other girls there and was paid by gregg

NOT tested

all did b/g or b/g/b and one i know did anal

[gornyhuy]

Originally posted by EscortBiz


YES

case closed.
piss somewhere else serge.

[Serge_Oprano]

Originally posted by EscortBiz


Serge ICQed you or did he just run down to the basement?

I know way to well how stuff works there, very very careful.

hmmm......ah Odessa, jemchujina u moria...
;-)))

[EscortBiz]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano
Escot, ne lez' v eto griaznoe delo, eto ne tvoi piss, ya nadeus'.

Esli ty zameshen v etom, morgni i ya otstanu kak plata za to chto ty kogda-to pomog moemu partneru

English if you are looking for a response.

And id rather stop responding so I dont bump this fucked up baseless thread you created.

You can ICQ me if you got something normal to say.

Very very stupid of you for doing this bullshit.

[Serge_Oprano]

Originally posted by gornyhuy


case closed.
piss somewhere else serge.

is Escort Buz a partner with Gregg and oversees every photoshoot?

tell me more, Mr.CaseClosed
;-)))))

[TDF]

Originally posted by Forest


escort

just so you know

I have sent him models that have not been tested that he has shot g/g b/g b/g/b and anal

I know this for a fact

and you send them anyways? what a friend!

[Serge_Oprano]

Originally posted by EscortBiz


English if you are looking for a response.

And id rather stop responding so I dont bump this fucked up baseless thread you created.

You can ICQ me if you got something normal to say.

Very very stupid of you for doing this bullshit.

you spoke perfect Russian before....what happened? Do you need brush up lRussian lessons?
;-))))

[Forest]

Originally posted by toodamnfli




and you send them anyways? what a friend!

as a model broker i am responsible to send the models not to ensure the requierment os the photographer

Gregg never asked me once if they were tested

nor did he ask me when i did the shoot with kennedy

and for the record i brought kennedy with me for the shot

but i was a model

look up Back seat bangers.com

[CDSmith]

I'm still trying to process the news that showing up to a shoot with current test documents is NOT standard operating procedure. Like LM said, it's common fucking sense, or it should be. How hard is it to go to a walk-in clinic and ask for an AIDS test for fuck sake?


Producers need to be strict about it. Performer shows up for a shoot, doesn't have papers, send them away with no cash. Try telling the cop that just pulled you over that you don't have your license on you.

[notjoe]

Originally posted by CDSmith
I'm still trying to process the news that showing up to a shoot with current test documents is NOT standard operating procedure. Like LM said, it's common fucking sense, or it should be. How hard is it to go to a walk-in clinic and ask for an AIDS test for fuck sake?


Producers need to be strict about it. Performer shows up for a shoot, doesn't have papers, send them away with no cash. Try telling the cop that just pulled you over that you don't have your license on you.

We get 24 hours to produce the license otherwise the fine sticks. This really doesnt apply to the content of this thread as once you get aids then you have it and there is no going back / second chance.

If the people are boyfriend/girlfriend then fuck the test although you may want to check your liability on that, after all, i dont know if "Well, i dont know how they got AIDS, they were BF/GF when i shot them" will hold up in court knowing that you could have had them tested but didnt.

What if the couple says they never had AIDS before but after the shoot with you they now have it, now it's your word VS. theirs.

[TDF]

Originally posted by Forest


as a model broker i am responsible to send the models not to ensure the requierment os the photographer

Gregg never asked me once if they were tested

nor did he ask me when i did the shoot with kennedy

and for the record i brought kennedy with me for the shot

but i was a model

look up Back seat bangers.com

another day,another dollar =)

[CDSmith]

Originally posted by notjoe
We get 24 hours to produce the license otherwise the fine sticks. This really doesnt apply to the content of this thread as once you get aids then you have it and there is no going back / second chance.

You're focusing on the small shit bro, I was using that as a parallel only. The point was that it is standard procedure to carry your license while driving, it should be standard procedure to carry your test papers to shoots. It also fits with the comment I made earlier, that models/performers shouldn't have to be fucking told to get tested.

For that matter, producers shouldn't have to be reminded to check and make copies of those papers.

[BrentD]

When we shoot we follow the following guidelines for HIV testing (it's not really an aids test unless the test comes back that you have aids then you can call it an aids test hehehe):

Not Required for HIV/STD Testing:

Girls working solo
Couples working together who are BF/GF or Married


Required To Be Tested Every 60 Days for HIV/STD:

girl/girl
boy/girl
boy/boy


Some of the larger production companies have them tested monthly or even weekly.

If a couple comes to me wanting to work and they are sleeping together at home to start with then why have them tested (unless of course we bring in another model with the shoot to join them and then everyone needs tested).

Condoms are up to the models, we ask if they decline then thats fine with us as long as current HIV/STD test is on file with us.

[gornyhuy]

Originally posted by BrentD

Required To Be Tested Every 60 Days for HIV/STD:

girl/girl
boy/girl
boy/boy


Some of the larger production companies have them tested monthly or even weekly.

Sounds like you have your bases covered legally, but man... a LOT can happen in 60 days. If I were a performer I would be very nervous about catching something without a condom...

[Candice]

Originally posted by LadyMischief
It's important to remember for producers, it's a VERY good idea to make sure your performers have CURRENT AIDS tests, and that you have copies of those tests on file. Why? Because if they get AIDS or any other STD, they can in fact come back later and sue you. And if you don't have their AIDS test to prove that they didn't have AIDS when they did work for you, and you can't prove they didn't, well..let's just say it would NOT be the porn producer the courts would side with, in most cases. I don't know Photogregg or about him, so I won't comment on a situation I know nothing about. My statement is just in general, and it's just good common sense, for cripes sakes!

I so agree with you girl, it's like any other responsibility.

[LadyMischief]

Originally posted by BrentD
When we shoot we follow the following guidelines for HIV testing (it's not really an aids test unless the test comes back that you have aids then you can call it an aids test hehehe):

Not Required for HIV/STD Testing:

Girls working solo
Couples working together who are BF/GF or Married


Required To Be Tested Every 60 Days for HIV/STD:

girl/girl
boy/girl
boy/boy


Some of the larger production companies have them tested monthly or even weekly.

If a couple comes to me wanting to work and they are sleeping together at home to start with then why have them tested (unless of course we bring in another model with the shoot to join them and then everyone needs tested).

Condoms are up to the models, we ask if they decline then thats fine with us as long as current HIV/STD test is on file with us.

Honestly, I have bf/gf or married couples sign a waiver, even if I don't send them for a test (and even then I am generally very sticky and like some kind of assurance). You can NEVER cover your ass too much in this business, because if you leave ONE little bit of it unprotected, that's where you're going to get bitten. Any b/g stuff I have I demand HIV/STD tests or I send them home empty-handed and don't shoot, period. But when I have models I shoot hardcore, they are either under contract and required to provide me tests at intervals of about 3 months, or they provide a CURRENT test before any shooting. No excuses, if's, ands or buts.

I have kids, there is NO WAY IN HELL I am going to go down for lack of covering my bases. Besides, it IS common sense. Last thing I need is someone dying because of my negligence. I watched one of my very good friends die of AIDS when she was only 20 years old (she was raped and forced into prostitution at 18, at gunpoint... the whole thing was a huge and ugly trial), and that shit stays with you every minute of every day forever. Knowing I was even indirectly responsible for something like that would completely kill me inside.

Like I say, I personally have NO knowledge of these situations, so I have nothing to say on them, but in general again I say to all producers of hardcore, ALWAYS HAVE THOSE TESTS!! They could be the difference between jail for neglicence and possibly manslaughter, and being safe knowing that you weren't responsible.

[Carrie]

If your model has a test that's a week old but she slept with an HIV-infected person two days ago, it doesn't really matter much... everyone's fucked.
The test is only good *on* the day that it's taken, up to the minute that it's taken. Hell an hour later it could all change.

[Oracle Porn]

Originally posted by Carrie
If your model has a test that's a week old but she slept with an HIV-infected person two days ago, it doesn't really matter much... everyone's fucked.
The test is only good *on* the day that it's taken, up to the minute that it's taken. Hell an hour later it could all change.

actually 3 minutes later

[LadyMischief]

Originally posted by Carrie
If your model has a test that's a week old but she slept with an HIV-infected person two days ago, it doesn't really matter much... everyone's fucked.
The test is only good *on* the day that it's taken, up to the minute that it's taken. Hell an hour later it could all change.

Yep this is true too.. Definitely a good reason to use condoms for the shoots too!!

[Digipimp]

I love the guy who's bitching about Gregg doing shoots with untested models is the same guy that's sending models that are untested. You're a real fucking genius Forest, a fucking class act.

[Carrie]

Most definitely LM. If I were one of these models I'd be scared to death of anyone who didn't have a test from *that* morning.

How long does it take to get test results back nowadays?

[Oracle Porn]

Originally posted by Digipimp
I love the guy who's bitching about Gregg doing shoots with untested models is the same guy that's sending models that are untested. You're a real fucking genius Forest, a fucking class act.

It the photographer's resposibility to test those models not the middle guy's...

[Digipimp]

Originally posted by Oracle Porn


It the photographer's resposibility to test those models not the middle guy's...

I think you have a little responsibility if you're sending girls to a photographer who isn't making sure people are tested, you can't always just keep passing the blame.

[Oracle Porn]

Originally posted by Digipimp


I think you have a little responsibility if you're sending girls to a photographer who isn't making sure people are tested, you can't always just keep passing the blame.

You think? why do you think I CARE what the fuck you think?
The middle man gets for example $20 for every girl he sends in... why the fuck does he need to spend those $20 on a test?
Why the fuck does he need to even care if those girls got HIV or doesn't...
He won't be the one getting sued...

[Serge_Oprano]

Originally posted by Carrie
If your model has a test that's a week old but she slept with an HIV-infected person two days ago, it doesn't really matter much... everyone's fucked.
The test is only good *on* the day that it's taken, up to the minute that it's taken. Hell an hour later it could all change.

not true...
it's called Incubation Period, sweety!
;_))

SergeMD

[Serge_Oprano]

Originally posted by LadyMischief


Yep this is true too.. Definitely a good reason to use condoms for the shoots too!!

no it's not...

[Serge_Oprano]

Originally posted by Oracle Porn


You think? why do you think I CARE what the fuck you think?
The middle man gets for example $20 for every girl he sends in... why the fuck does he need to spend those $20 on a test?
Why the fuck does he need to even care if those girls got HIV or doesn't...
He won't be the one getting sued...

correct

[Carrie]

Digi, if you send a friend to a job interview, who's responsibility is it to check that the person has a valid social security number, forms of identification, and give them papers to sign stating that they're legally allowed to work in the US?

It's not your responsibility, it's the employer's.

Same thing.
Forest knows Greg is looking for models. One of his cam girls say they want to get into doing some shoots. Forest sends the girl over to Greg... and his part is done.

[Digipimp]

Originally posted by Oracle Porn


You think? why do you think I CARE what the fuck you think?
The middle man gets for example $20 for every girl he sends in... why the fuck does he need to spend those $20 on a test?
Why the fuck does he need to even care if those girls got HIV or doesn't...
He won't be the one getting sued...

Excellent attitude dumbass. If you're knowingly sending girls to a photographer that you say you have evidence is not testing then you are liable because you knew ahead of time. Is your $20 such a big deal to you that you would knowingly send girls to someone who's practices you don't approve of and then take it to a messageboard to only make yourself out to be even more of an idiot.

[Carrie]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano


not true...
it's called Incubation Period, sweety!
;_))

SergeMD

Okay I remember reading that it takes 6 months for symptoms to start appearing, but how long is it between the time you have sex with an infected person and the time that you are contagious yourself?

[Digipimp]

Originally posted by Carrie
Digi, if you send a friend to a job interview, who's responsibility is it to check that the person has a valid social security number, forms of identification, and give them papers to sign stating that they're legally allowed to work in the US?

It's not your responsibility, it's the employer's.

Same thing.
Forest knows Greg is looking for models. One of his cam girls say they want to get into doing some shoots. Forest sends the girl over to Greg... and his part is done.

I don't think it's that simple and the situations you are relating are not even close to being the same. Serge posted this is a "Life and Death situation" so that carries a conotation of being very very serious and if you knowingly send someone into that situation for your own profit with disregard, well it may be well within your rights to do so and you might not be totally liable but you're still doing something wrong.

[Carrie]

Originally posted by Digipimp


I don't think it's that simple and the situations you are relating are not even close to being the same. Serge posted this is a "Life and Death situation" so that carries a conotation of being very very serious and if you knowingly send someone into that situation for your own profit with disregard, well it may be well within your rights to do so and you might not be totally liable but you're still doing something wrong.

I agree somewhat.
I think the question to ask here is whether Forest is *still* sending girls to Greg, now that he knows they're not being tested before they shoot hardcore.

Could be that all this happened before he found out, and he's no longer sending models over there because of it.

[Digipimp]

Originally posted by Carrie

I agree somewhat.
I think the question to ask here is whether Forest is *still* sending girls to Greg, now that he knows they're not being tested before they shoot hardcore.

Could be that all this happened before he found out, and he's no longer sending models over there because of it.

True and I think that would be something that he should mention if it's so and I would hope that he's not still sending if he thinks it's a life and death situation. That was my point all along, he never indicates, he says that he sends multiple people at different times without ever needing tests, so that's what i was wondering.

[Forest]

Originally posted by Oracle Porn


I love the guy who's bitching about Gregg doing shoots with untested models is the same guy that's sending models that are untested. You're a real fucking genius Forest, a fucking class act.

where do u see me bitching

i was corrcting an incorrect statement

I put the model and the photographer together

what they do from their lies their responsibility