Life and Death situation....do you find Photogregg responcible or negligent?
 

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Skirting the main issue of AIDS and responsible practices:

It depends on the wording of the contract, but if a sponsor pays photogregg for a product, which PG produces and delivers, and PG independently selects talent and pays them as he sees fit, is there any liability chain from talent to sponsor?

I would think that all the liability falls on PG. Only if the sponsor contracts with and pays the talent directly would their be any liability to the sponsor for these issues.

Just a thought..... why do models need to be TOLD to get fucking tested? If there is blame for lack of current testing, shouldn't it be at least shared? Those actively working in hardcore shouldn't need to be fucking told to get tested, just fucking go do it regularly. Producers need to make staying on top of that a top priority as well, but the models shouldn't have to be fucking told.

Serge:
Photogregg:
Serge:
Serge:
Forest:
Photogregg:
Serge:
Photogregg:
Serge:

You're welcome Serge :winkwink:

if everything was that easy....

we live in litigatious society and I bet anybody ANYTHING, that if any of those models get AIDS, clients contracts won't save them from being brought into the law suit.

serge where you there?

I was there and know that greg is extremly careful, besides test and all every time after a shoot stuff is washed or thrown out, seen it with my own eyes.

Do yourself a favor and dont try to start shit with greg.

the models tell otherwise...

gregg hotel piss so mnoi, gregg ego imeet,
v chiom tvoya problema?

It's important to remember for producers, it's a VERY good idea to make sure your performers have CURRENT AIDS tests, and that you have copies of those tests on file. Why? Because if they get AIDS or any other STD, they can in fact come back later and sue you. And if you don't have their AIDS test to prove that they didn't have AIDS when they did work for you, and you can't prove they didn't, well..let's just say it would NOT be the porn producer the courts would side with, in most cases. I don't know Photogregg or about him, so I won't comment on a situation I know nothing about. My statement is just in general, and it's just good common sense, for cripes sakes! :)

I know facts and you know tales of models that mostlikly he said he wont shoot.

have you seen CURRENT AIDS tests with your own eyes?

YES or NO

escort

just so you know

I have sent him models that have not been tested that he has shot g/g b/g b/g/b and anal

I know this for a fact

I think it depends on how the release form is worded. I know when i did a few shoots i explicitly stated i would not be held accountable for any sort of STD which they might come away with. I did however make the male & female (if they're not a couple) go get tested but as good as getting tested is you dont know if the chick/guy had unprotected sex since the time you sent them for testing.

I think as long as you take all the steps to prevent any STD, you make them sign the waiver/release form which releases you from any liabilities, you keep a copy of the test results you should be ok.

YES

Escot, ne lez' v eto griaznoe delo, eto ne tvoi piss, ya nadeus'.

Esli ty zameshen v etom, morgni i ya otstanu kak plata za to chto ty kogda-to pomog moemu partneru

ty chto, s nim v dole?

Serge ICQed you or did he just run down to the basement?

I know way to well how stuff works there, very very careful.

dude serge has nothing to do with this

gregg shot with a girl I had done a series with (one of my models)

NOT TESTED

I sent 3 other girls there and was paid by gregg

NOT tested

all did b/g or b/g/b and one i know did anal

case closed.
piss somewhere else serge.

hmmm......ah Odessa, jemchujina u moria...
;-)))

English if you are looking for a response.

And id rather stop responding so I dont bump this fucked up baseless thread you created.

You can ICQ me if you got something normal to say.

Very very stupid of you for doing this bullshit.

is Escort Buz a partner with Gregg and oversees every photoshoot?

tell me more, Mr.CaseClosed
;-)))))

and you send them anyways? what a friend! :)

you spoke perfect Russian before....what happened? Do you need brush up lRussian lessons?
;-))))

as a model broker i am responsible to send the models not to ensure the requierment os the photographer

Gregg never asked me once if they were tested

nor did he ask me when i did the shoot with kennedy

and for the record i brought kennedy with me for the shot

but i was a model

look up Back seat bangers.com

I'm still trying to process the news that showing up to a shoot with current test documents is NOT standard operating procedure. Like LM said, it's common fucking sense, or it should be. How hard is it to go to a walk-in clinic and ask for an AIDS test for fuck sake?


Producers need to be strict about it. Performer shows up for a shoot, doesn't have papers, send them away with no cash. Try telling the cop that just pulled you over that you don't have your license on you.

We get 24 hours to produce the license otherwise the fine sticks. This really doesnt apply to the content of this thread as once you get aids then you have it and there is no going back / second chance.

If the people are boyfriend/girlfriend then fuck the test although you may want to check your liability on that, after all, i dont know if "Well, i dont know how they got AIDS, they were BF/GF when i shot them" will hold up in court knowing that you could have had them tested but didnt.

What if the couple says they never had AIDS before but after the shoot with you they now have it, now it's your word VS. theirs.

another day,another dollar =)

You're focusing on the small shit bro, I was using that as a parallel only. The point was that it is standard procedure to carry your license while driving, it should be standard procedure to carry your test papers to shoots. It also fits with the comment I made earlier, that models/performers shouldn't have to be fucking told to get tested.

For that matter, producers shouldn't have to be reminded to check and make copies of those papers.

When we shoot we follow the following guidelines for HIV testing (it's not really an aids test unless the test comes back that you have aids then you can call it an aids test hehehe):

Not Required for HIV/STD Testing:

Girls working solo
Couples working together who are BF/GF or Married


Required To Be Tested Every 60 Days for HIV/STD:

girl/girl
boy/girl
boy/boy


Some of the larger production companies have them tested monthly or even weekly.

If a couple comes to me wanting to work and they are sleeping together at home to start with then why have them tested (unless of course we bring in another model with the shoot to join them and then everyone needs tested).

Condoms are up to the models, we ask if they decline then thats fine with us as long as current HIV/STD test is on file with us.

Sounds like you have your bases covered legally, but man... a LOT can happen in 60 days. If I were a performer I would be very nervous about catching something without a condom...

I so agree with you girl, it's like any other responsibility. :thumbsup

Honestly, I have bf/gf or married couples sign a waiver, even if I don't send them for a test (and even then I am generally very sticky and like some kind of assurance). You can NEVER cover your ass too much in this business, because if you leave ONE little bit of it unprotected, that's where you're going to get bitten. Any b/g stuff I have I demand HIV/STD tests or I send them home empty-handed and don't shoot, period. But when I have models I shoot hardcore, they are either under contract and required to provide me tests at intervals of about 3 months, or they provide a CURRENT test before any shooting. No excuses, if's, ands or buts.

I have kids, there is NO WAY IN HELL I am going to go down for lack of covering my bases. Besides, it IS common sense. Last thing I need is someone dying because of my negligence. I watched one of my very good friends die of AIDS when she was only 20 years old (she was raped and forced into prostitution at 18, at gunpoint... the whole thing was a huge and ugly trial), and that shit stays with you every minute of every day forever. Knowing I was even indirectly responsible for something like that would completely kill me inside.

Like I say, I personally have NO knowledge of these situations, so I have nothing to say on them, but in general again I say to all producers of hardcore, ALWAYS HAVE THOSE TESTS!! They could be the difference between jail for neglicence and possibly manslaughter, and being safe knowing that you weren't responsible.

If your model has a test that's a week old but she slept with an HIV-infected person two days ago, it doesn't really matter much... everyone's fucked.
The test is only good *on* the day that it's taken, up to the minute that it's taken. Hell an hour later it could all change.

actually 3 minutes later :Graucho

Yep this is true too.. Definitely a good reason to use condoms for the shoots too!! :)

I love the guy who's bitching about Gregg doing shoots with untested models is the same guy that's sending models that are untested. You're a real fucking genius Forest, a fucking class act.

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Most definitely LM. If I were one of these models I'd be scared to death of anyone who didn't have a test from *that* morning.

How long does it take to get test results back nowadays?

It the photographer's resposibility to test those models not the middle guy's...

I think you have a little responsibility if you're sending girls to a photographer who isn't making sure people are tested, you can't always just keep passing the blame.

You think? why do you think I CARE what the fuck you think?
The middle man gets for example $20 for every girl he sends in... why the fuck does he need to spend those $20 on a test?
Why the fuck does he need to even care if those girls got HIV or doesn't...
He won't be the one getting sued...

not true...
it's called Incubation Period, sweety!
;_))

SergeMD

no it's not...

correct

Digi, if you send a friend to a job interview, who's responsibility is it to check that the person has a valid social security number, forms of identification, and give them papers to sign stating that they're legally allowed to work in the US?

It's not your responsibility, it's the employer's.

Same thing.
Forest knows Greg is looking for models. One of his cam girls say they want to get into doing some shoots. Forest sends the girl over to Greg... and his part is done.

Excellent attitude dumbass. If you're knowingly sending girls to a photographer that you say you have evidence is not testing then you are liable because you knew ahead of time. Is your $20 such a big deal to you that you would knowingly send girls to someone who's practices you don't approve of and then take it to a messageboard to only make yourself out to be even more of an idiot.

Okay I remember reading that it takes 6 months for symptoms to start appearing, but how long is it between the time you have sex with an infected person and the time that you are contagious yourself?

I don't think it's that simple and the situations you are relating are not even close to being the same. Serge posted this is a "Life and Death situation" so that carries a conotation of being very very serious and if you knowingly send someone into that situation for your own profit with disregard, well it may be well within your rights to do so and you might not be totally liable but you're still doing something wrong.

I agree somewhat.
I think the question to ask here is whether Forest is *still* sending girls to Greg, now that he knows they're not being tested before they shoot hardcore.

Could be that all this happened before he found out, and he's no longer sending models over there because of it.

True and I think that would be something that he should mention if it's so and I would hope that he's not still sending if he thinks it's a life and death situation. That was my point all along, he never indicates, he says that he sends multiple people at different times without ever needing tests, so that's what i was wondering.

where do u see me bitching

i was corrcting an incorrect statement

I put the model and the photographer together

what they do from their lies their responsibility




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