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dropped9 · 11-10-2003, 08:44 PM

If you were and or are still doing avs sites and are wondering right now what you should be doing with your 10 million cookie cutter ac sites... You're just about fucked...

AVS was so 4 years ago....

BVF · 11-10-2003, 08:46 PM

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Originally posted by Headless
If you were and or are still doing avs sites and are wondering right now what you should be doing with your 10 million cookie cutter ac sites... You're just about fucked...

AVS was so 4 years ago....

What a compassionate soul you are

hershie · 11-10-2003, 08:50 PM

I just started doing AVS sites a few weeks back

washiez · 11-10-2003, 08:51 PM

Hey whatever happened to that Car n Babe site you had... the one with the trannies that you personally um did the deed with? ;)

Honeyslut · 11-10-2003, 08:52 PM

I am so glad I never listened to the guys who told me 3 years ago to do avs and not small paysites

Shit ! I saw someone tell a newb TODAY to do an avs instead of a small paysite LOL

washiez · 11-10-2003, 08:53 PM

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Originally posted by Honeyslut
I am so glad I never listened to the guys who told me 3 years ago to do avs and not small paysites

Shit ! I saw someone tell a newb TODAY to do an avs instead of a small paysite LOL

Why do either? ;)

Spunky · 11-10-2003, 08:54 PM

Just another cocksmoker taking food out of my mouth

doober · 11-10-2003, 09:04 PM

Headless is a Harsh bastard, aint he?

Mr.Fiction · 11-10-2003, 09:08 PM

Supreme Court may rule next year that all adult sites have to use AVS.

makefuckingmoney · 11-10-2003, 09:08 PM

Who said AVS is dead?

Did paysites die when Xpics went out?

Did recurring sites die when Busty Amateurs went out?

I still see a ton of AVS's out there..

now if you are retarded enough to do ANY RECURRING type program... you deserve what you get..

Rorschach · 11-10-2003, 09:19 PM

It's easy to laugh from afar and say I told you so... but I know some people who are taking a massive hit to their income because of this. They probably should have known better but I feel for them just the same.

twistyneck · 11-10-2003, 09:36 PM

AC has been fucked for months. When AC Pay went tits up, that should have been a warning to anyone depending on them for income that it was time to start doing something else.

berg.the.red · 11-10-2003, 09:54 PM

just cause AC "changed business models" ( and screwed their webmasters in the process ) doesn't mean all AVS systems are dead ...

SmutGiant · 11-10-2003, 09:58 PM

I'm doing well with AVS and plan to keep going til the end!

Juggernaut · 11-10-2003, 10:01 PM

Adult Check has just about gone under because surfers know after a whole two seconds that they just got robbed, so they charge back, or complain.

That's what happens when you don't filter your content. Another reason is that people realize they have just spent $20 - $30 on three galleries.

As long as content providers keep licensing video content to people like Adultbouncer and Deluxe Pass etc, AVS sites will have a place on the internet.

Veterans Day · 11-10-2003, 10:04 PM

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Originally posted by Juggernaut
Adult Check has just about gone under because surfers know after a whole two seconds that they just got robbed, so they charge back, or complain.

That's what happens when you don't filter your content. Another reason is that people realize they have just spent $20 - $30 on three galleries.

As long as content providers keep licensing video content to people like Adultbouncer and Deluxe Pass etc, AVS sites will have a place on the internet.

Fuckin-A dead on Got get a DP pass and you get swamped with good ass movies you couldnt download all of them in a month if you wanted to

SmutGiant · 11-10-2003, 10:06 PM

I can imagine the chargebacks with the type of AVS's where the surfers think they're getting a free membership, but also get charged $40 for a paysite.

Premium AVS sites on the other hand have amazing retention!!

SmutGiant · 11-10-2003, 10:08 PM

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Originally posted by Veterans Day

Fuckin-A dead on Got get a DP pass and you get swamped with good ass movies you couldnt download all of them in a month if you wanted to

I agree, DP kicks ass! I've never actually promoted them before, but I've been inside the members area and it rocks! Definetly gonna give them a try sometime soon.

Veterans Day · 11-10-2003, 10:09 PM

I made 2 sites with them before my little ole paysite and man the fuckin rebills KILL and the members area is massive, awesome value for a surfer looking for movies thats for sure

Nubiles · 11-10-2003, 10:10 PM

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Originally posted by Juggernaut
Adult Check has just about gone under because surfers know after a whole two seconds that they just got robbed, so they charge back, or complain.

That's what happens when you don't filter your content. Another reason is that people realize they have just spent $20 - $30 on three galleries.

As long as content providers keep licensing video content to people like Adultbouncer and Deluxe Pass etc, AVS sites will have a place on the internet.

How would you explain Adult Check having 4 to 5 times the retention of the best paysites out there?

Veterans Day · 11-10-2003, 10:11 PM

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Originally posted by Drunkspringbreakgirls

How would you explain Adult Check having 4 to 5 times the retention of the best paysites out there?

Im not buyin it

steffie · 11-10-2003, 10:12 PM

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Originally posted by SmutGiant
I'm doing well with AVS and plan to keep going til the end!

Hear hear

aaron · 11-10-2003, 10:13 PM

www.fuckherthroat.com

practically an avs site from wildcash a company soon opening wildpass.

how can you say avs is dead?

Juggernaut · 11-10-2003, 10:13 PM

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Originally posted by Drunkspringbreakgirls

How would you explain Adult Check having 4 to 5 times the retention of the best paysites out there?

That my friend sounds like bullshit.

icedemon · 11-10-2003, 10:14 PM

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Originally posted by berg.the.red
just cause AC "changed business models" ( and screwed their webmasters in the process ) doesn't mean all AVS systems are dead ...

Apperantly you haven't heard or have been hiding under a rock. The credit card companies aren't going to process for AVS companies anymore. They are slowly shuting down each AVS one by one. The AVS companies are either going to have to change their business model and become a paysite with affiliates like Adult Check just has or else not take Visa and Mastercard anymore. I think the other option to them is for them to become a 3rd party biller and charge everbody using their system the $750 fee.

This has been known for a couple of months now. It seems like everybody that is making money from AVS is running it to the end or just plain living in a fantasy world and don't want to execpt that AVS will be gone by the beginning of next year.

Veterans Day · 11-10-2003, 10:16 PM

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Originally posted by icedemon

Apperantly you haven't heard or have been hiding under a rock. The credit card companies aren't going to process for AVS companies anymore. They are slowly shuting down each AVS one by one. The AVS companies are either going to have to change their business model and become a paysite with affiliates like Adult Check just has or else not take Visa and Mastercard anymore. I think the other option to them is for them to become a 3rd party biller and charge everbody using their system the $750 fee.

This has been known for a couple of months now. It seems like everybody that is making money from AVS is running it to the end or just plain living in a fantasy world and don't want to execpt that AVS will be gone by the beginning of next year.

Like I was sayin do you think it makes a difference that you must host the site On a Deluxe Pass server theoretically giving them the site and all you do is send traffic? Just like all sponsors

Rictor · 11-10-2003, 10:16 PM

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Originally posted by Veterans Day

Im not buyin it

It true. My Adult Check Gold rebills were always above 90% every month. I can't think of any paysite that will recur memberships likes that month after month after month.

Veterans Day · 11-10-2003, 10:17 PM

My Dp site does

makefuckingmoney · 11-10-2003, 10:17 PM

If Visa does kill avs for the reason of not having the webmasters registered individually..

dont you think they will come after affilates next?

twistyneck · 11-10-2003, 10:19 PM

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Originally posted by icedemon

Apperantly you haven't heard or have been hiding under a rock. The credit card companies aren't going to process for AVS companies anymore. They are slowly shuting down each AVS one by one. The AVS companies are either going to have to change their business model and become a paysite with affiliates like Adult Check just has or else not take Visa and Mastercard anymore. I think the other option to them is for them to become a 3rd party biller and charge everbody using their system the $750 fee.

This has been known for a couple of months now. It seems like everybody that is making money from AVS is running it to the end or just plain living in a fantasy world and don't want to execpt that AVS will be gone by the beginning of next year.

How many AVS systems were shut down by Visa? I know of one and that was because the chick that ran it was in Canada. AC tried to play the "fuck you Visa" game and lost. All the other systems have made the changes Visa wanted and were given the seal of approval by virtue of the fact that Visa accepted the changes and seems to have dropped the issue.

icedemon · 11-10-2003, 10:22 PM

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Originally posted by makefuckingmoney
If Visa does kill avs for the reason of not having the webmasters registered individually..

dont you think they will come after affilates next?

There is no reason for them to go after affliates and they couldn't even if they wanted to. A AVS is setup similar to a 3rd party biller, execpt when you join, your joining muliple sites. So the credit card companies feel that if they are nothing more than a 3rd party biller, they need to be one and charge everybody using the AVS system the $750 or not take CC anymore. That is why Adult Check changed their business model. I haven't used a AVS system since 1997.

icedemon · 11-10-2003, 10:26 PM

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Originally posted by twistyneck

How many AVS systems were shut down by Visa? I know of one and that was because the chick that ran it was in Canada. AC tried to play the "fuck you Visa" game and lost. All the other systems have made the changes Visa wanted and were given the seal of approval by virtue of the fact that Visa accepted the changes and seems to have dropped the issue.

I didn't say that any have been shutdown. I said they will be around the beginning of next year. Pull up this thread after March of next year and see how many are left.

dropped9 · 11-11-2003, 12:28 AM

If I was you... I would run far far away from AVS systems and sites.......

makefuckingmoney · 11-11-2003, 12:42 AM

Headless,

I own an AVS..

Funny to see you dancing on the grave of a dead program..

Did you work for maxcash in 99?

Veterans Day · 11-11-2003, 12:43 AM

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Originally posted by makefuckingmoney
Headless,

I own an AVS..

Funny to see you dancing on the grave of a dead program..

Did you work for maxcash in 99?

dropped9 · 11-11-2003, 12:46 AM

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Originally posted by makefuckingmoney
Headless,

I own an AVS..

Funny to see you dancing on the grave of a dead program..

Did you work for maxcash in 99?

Who said I was dancing... I am just stating the obvious... If you own an avs then more power to you. Dont go bringing up the past to make a "hey look at me I'm cool post".... AVS is in trouble and I've seen this coming for months...

makefuckingmoney · 11-11-2003, 12:47 AM

Yeah i didnt think i would see someone from that company dancing on another programs grave and urging people to avoid one of my company's..

You should check with your bosses and see how they feel..

I find it pretty offensive.

Ask around..

Chris

dropped9 · 11-11-2003, 12:49 AM

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Originally posted by makefuckingmoney
Yeah i didnt think i would see someone from that company dancing on another programs grave and urging people to avoid one of my company's..

You should check with your bosses and see how they feel..

I find it pretty offensive.

Ask around..

Chris

Did I once say stay away from your company? NO. I said stay away from AVS. And i think there is good enough reason to do so. It's on shacky ground with all the visa stuff. Would you rather me lie and spread fake rumors and bs? Please.

Phoenix66 · 11-11-2003, 12:55 AM

What's a big deal if AVS are shut down? I talked to the guys from i-bill and they said it's not a problem to bill my bunch of quanum AVS sites as an independent paysite if I make a small reorganization. I keep sticking with AVS though, untill I build more sites. I think I have too few content to make an independent site yet.

makefuckingmoney · 11-11-2003, 12:55 AM

Headless,

Hmm..

Sure looks like you are laughing in your post..

This is effecting a ton of smaller webmasters..who will now lose recurrings and other income.. and you find it funny.

I just find it quite ironic that somone representing Maxcash would laugh at some people that are standing to lose thousands of dollars in this..

No one will lose a dime in my company, NOBODY. So to urge them to avoid my company is something I take offense to. And I dont believe someone in your position should tell them to.

I adore maxcash and go way back with that program. People give your opinions credibility because of your sig and your position in that company.

I remember 99.. You should too.

Im suprised you find it funny..

Chris

dropped9 · 11-11-2003, 01:01 AM

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Originally posted by makefuckingmoney
Headless,

Hmm..

Sure looks like you are laughing in your post..

This is effecting a ton of smaller webmasters..who will now lose recurrings and other income.. and you find it funny.

I just find it quite ironic that somone representing Maxcash would laugh at some people that are standing to lose thousands of dollars in this..

No one will lose a dime in my company, NOBODY. So to urge them to avoid my company is something I take offense to. And I dont believe someone in your position should tell them to.

I adore maxcash and go way back with that program. People give your opinions credibility because of your sig and your position in that company.

I remember 99.. You should too.

Im suprised you find it funny..

Chris

If a webmaster had all his eggs in one basket with a company who is going down, then who's fault is this?

What I find funny is the fact that some people are surprised by the latest news in the avs game. Tell me exactly where i said people in your company will be loosing a dime? NO WHERE!

Yes ppl give my opinions creditabilty. But you forget my opinion is just that, my opinion. It's not yours, MC's, or anyone else, its MINE. If someone is not quick enough to realize that one person's comments are not the holy grail, then they should get their heads checked.

Don't start attacking me because of the times. I am merely stating the obvious....

triumph · 11-11-2003, 01:03 AM

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Originally posted by Headless
If you were and or are still doing avs sites and are wondering right now what you should be doing with your 10 million cookie cutter ac sites... You're just about fucked...

AVS was so 4 years ago....

crack kills the brain cells, buddy!

Trax · 11-11-2003, 01:04 AM

avs is dead
time to get over it!

Rodent · 11-11-2003, 01:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Headless

Yes ppl give my opinions creditabilty. But you forget my opinion is just that, my opinion. It's not yours, MC's, or anyone else, its MINE. If someone is not quick enough to realize that one person's comments are not the holy grail, then they should get their heads checked.

Its obvious you arent attacking anyone or their company and just posting your opinion. Any assclown can see that. Not to mention this is GFY......

Caution AssClowns Lurking

makefuckingmoney · 11-11-2003, 01:13 AM

Headless,

My point is you dont know what you are talking about..

And you shouldnt tell people to avoid company's that you dont know anything about. Especially working for a company with the credibility that maxcash has.

I had all my eggs in the maxcash basket...

You know why?? Cause I made a TON of money with them.. heck I even donated when they were in need... Was I an idiot? Did my head need cracked?

Lots of people said maxcash was dead then.. I stayed.. Now an employee is telling them to avoid MY company? See I own an AVS.. but I am also smart enough to know that ANY company now could go under with Visa's rules..should I question how many cb's maxcash has?

Was I a moron for staying with maxcash? I dont think so.. I made a TON of money with them and I am very grateful I stayed.

And I dont believe that anyone that does an AVS needs their head examined.. there are still people making a ton of money in it.

Chris

makefuckingmoney · 11-11-2003, 01:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Headless
If I was you... I would run far far away from AVS systems and sites.......

I took this as to avoid avs's.. which I own..

What part did I misunderstand?

dropped9 · 11-11-2003, 01:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by makefuckingmoney
Headless,

My point is you dont know what you are talking about..

And you shouldnt tell people to avoid company's that you dont know anything about. Especially working for a company with the credibility that maxcash has.

I had all my eggs in the maxcash basket...

You know why?? Cause I made a TON of money with them.. heck I even donated when they were in need... Was I an idiot? Did my head need cracked?

Lots of people said maxcash was dead then.. I stayed.. Now an employee is telling them to avoid MY company? See I own an AVS.. but I am also smart enough to know that ANY company now could go under with Visa's rules..should I question how many cb's maxcash has?

Was I a moron for staying with maxcash? I dont think so.. I made a TON of money with them and I am very grateful I stayed.

And I dont believe that anyone that does an AVS needs their head examined.. there are still people making a ton of money in it.

Chris

You are comparing apples to oranges in an attempt to attack my opinion.

"Now an employee is telling them to avoid MY company?"

See my previous replies if you still dont get it.

"Especially working for a company with the credibility that maxcash has."

WTF does this mean? MC has been paying webmasters for years.

"And I dont believe that anyone that does an AVS needs their head examined.. there are still people making a ton of money in it"

Once again... Where did I say if you do avs sites get your head examined? I said, "If someone is not quick enough to realize that one person's comments are not the holy grail, then they should get their heads checked."

Rodent · 11-11-2003, 01:27 AM

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Originally posted by makefuckingmoney

I took this as to avoid avs's.. which I own..

And no one cares. If this thread got your panties in a bunch why dont you make your own worthless thread like this one and state your Opinion.... "AVS Not Dead! I Care Cause I have my own!!!

makefuckingmoney · 11-11-2003, 01:34 AM

Headless,

Im saying BECAUSE you work for maxcash your opinions are given more creditibility. BECAUSE maxcash has a ton of respect in the community. Your not the run of the mill sig whore here..

Sure this is gfy..which is still the most popular board on the internet.

Your comments are still in bad taste to a lot of people that lost a lot of money at Adult Check.

It is not apples and oranges.. a ton of people were hawking their programs, telling others to stay away from max etc.. during the maxcash troubled times. Loyal people stayed. I dont know any adult company, selling recurring memberships, that can guarantee they will be around in 1 year.. NONE.

Ill leave it and you alone. I hope you see my point.

Chris

SleazyDream · 11-11-2003, 01:35 AM

i was just going to start doing some AVS too....damn

11-10-2003, 08:44 PM	#1
dropped9 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Your moms box Posts: 26,727	AVS dead? WHO CARES!!!!!!!! If you were and or are still doing avs sites and are wondering right now what you should be doing with your 10 million cookie cutter ac sites... You're just about fucked... AVS was so 4 years ago....

11-10-2003, 08:51 PM	#4
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11-10-2003, 08:52 PM	#5
Honeyslut Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Ass Valley, Ca Posts: 6,436	I am so glad I never listened to the guys who told me 3 years ago to do avs and not small paysites Shit ! I saw someone tell a newb TODAY to do an avs instead of a small paysite LOL __________________ http://nakedlunchnews.comWhat's up ? Naked Lunch News !

11-10-2003, 08:54 PM	#7
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11-10-2003, 09:54 PM	#13
berg.the.red Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Right Here. Right Now. Posts: 596	just cause AC "changed business models" ( and screwed their webmasters in the process ) doesn't mean all AVS systems are dead ... __________________ Need a Dedicated Box with BALLS ? How about a Dedicated Server starting at just $49 per month.

11-10-2003, 08:50 PM	#3
hershie Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,642	I just started doing AVS sites a few weeks back

11-10-2003, 09:04 PM	#8
doober Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: in yoOoo kitchen Posts: 6,984	Headless is a Harsh bastard, aint he?

11-10-2003, 09:08 PM	#9
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	Supreme Court may rule next year that all adult sites have to use AVS.

11-10-2003, 09:08 PM	#10
makefuckingmoney Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,277	Who said AVS is dead? Did paysites die when Xpics went out? Did recurring sites die when Busty Amateurs went out? I still see a ton of AVS's out there.. now if you are retarded enough to do ANY RECURRING type program... you deserve what you get..

11-10-2003, 09:19 PM	#11
Rorschach So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 5,579	It's easy to laugh from afar and say I told you so... but I know some people who are taking a massive hit to their income because of this. They probably should have known better but I feel for them just the same.

11-10-2003, 09:36 PM	#12
twistyneck So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hanging by the neck until dead. Posts: 4,660	AC has been fucked for months. When AC Pay went tits up, that should have been a warning to anyone depending on them for income that it was time to start doing something else.

11-10-2003, 09:58 PM	#14
SmutGiant Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 4,896	I'm doing well with AVS and plan to keep going til the end!

11-10-2003, 10:01 PM	#15
Juggernaut Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 753	Adult Check has just about gone under because surfers know after a whole two seconds that they just got robbed, so they charge back, or complain. That's what happens when you don't filter your content. Another reason is that people realize they have just spent $20 - $30 on three galleries. As long as content providers keep licensing video content to people like Adultbouncer and Deluxe Pass etc, AVS sites will have a place on the internet.

11-10-2003, 10:06 PM	#17
SmutGiant Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 4,896	I can imagine the chargebacks with the type of AVS's where the surfers think they're getting a free membership, but also get charged $40 for a paysite. Premium AVS sites on the other hand have amazing retention!!

11-10-2003, 10:09 PM	#19
Veterans Day Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Windy City Posts: 8,403	I made 2 sites with them before my little ole paysite and man the fuckin rebills KILL and the members area is massive, awesome value for a surfer looking for movies thats for sure

11-10-2003, 10:13 PM	#23
aaron Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: USA Posts: 4,452	www.fuckherthroat.com practically an avs site from wildcash a company soon opening wildpass. how can you say avs is dead?

11-10-2003, 10:17 PM	#28
Veterans Day Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Windy City Posts: 8,403	My Dp site does

11-11-2003, 12:28 AM	#33
dropped9 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Your moms box Posts: 26,727	If I was you... I would run far far away from AVS systems and sites.......

11-11-2003, 12:42 AM	#34
makefuckingmoney Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,277	Headless, I own an AVS.. Funny to see you dancing on the grave of a dead program.. Did you work for maxcash in 99?

11-11-2003, 12:47 AM	#37
makefuckingmoney Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,277	Yeah i didnt think i would see someone from that company dancing on another programs grave and urging people to avoid one of my company's.. You should check with your bosses and see how they feel.. I find it pretty offensive. Ask around.. Chris

11-11-2003, 12:55 AM	#39
Phoenix66 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 823	What's a big deal if AVS are shut down? I talked to the guys from i-bill and they said it's not a problem to bill my bunch of quanum AVS sites as an independent paysite if I make a small reorganization. I keep sticking with AVS though, untill I build more sites. I think I have too few content to make an independent site yet. __________________ Adult Niche Traffic Exchange

11-11-2003, 01:04 AM	#43
Trax [----------------------] Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,486	avs is dead time to get over it!

11-11-2003, 01:13 AM	#45
makefuckingmoney Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,277	Headless, My point is you dont know what you are talking about.. And you shouldnt tell people to avoid company's that you dont know anything about. Especially working for a company with the credibility that maxcash has. I had all my eggs in the maxcash basket... You know why?? Cause I made a TON of money with them.. heck I even donated when they were in need... Was I an idiot? Did my head need cracked? Lots of people said maxcash was dead then.. I stayed.. Now an employee is telling them to avoid MY company? See I own an AVS.. but I am also smart enough to know that ANY company now could go under with Visa's rules..should I question how many cb's maxcash has? Was I a moron for staying with maxcash? I dont think so.. I made a TON of money with them and I am very grateful I stayed. And I dont believe that anyone that does an AVS needs their head examined.. there are still people making a ton of money in it. Chris

11-11-2003, 01:34 AM	#49
makefuckingmoney Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,277	Headless, Im saying BECAUSE you work for maxcash your opinions are given more creditibility. BECAUSE maxcash has a ton of respect in the community. Your not the run of the mill sig whore here.. Sure this is gfy..which is still the most popular board on the internet. Your comments are still in bad taste to a lot of people that lost a lot of money at Adult Check. It is not apples and oranges.. a ton of people were hawking their programs, telling others to stay away from max etc.. during the maxcash troubled times. Loyal people stayed. I dont know any adult company, selling recurring memberships, that can guarantee they will be around in 1 year.. NONE. Ill leave it and you alone. I hope you see my point. Chris

11-11-2003, 01:35 AM	#50
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