goooooooooodmorning dad! hope all is well!

im good son, been doing some research on that fine counter you recommended :)

What a strange looking family...Who is the mom?

I would name it pension :glugglug

hell might even set the percentage up and call it tax....

thats great to hear. I am quite sure it is everything you have hoped for and then some :)



its never going visable :)

so what fucking sponsor uses them???

Would like 2 know also.

If you work with sponsors who are managed by people with good reputations you shouldn't have to worry about shaving, whether they use software that has is built in or not. :2 cents:

i cant remember...

Seems like a solid software.


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EVERY professional afflilate software has this or similar function ... and you ALL know it so stop be so surprised ;)

This sucks big time :321GFY

Wow expensive as well

Average hits per day Price per month
0 to 5,000 $100
5,001 to 10,000 $180
10,001 to 25,000 $410
25,001 to 50,000 $750
50,001 to 75,000 $1,020
75,001 to 100,000 $1,240
100,001 to 125,000 $1,550
125,001 to 150,000 $1,550
150,001 to 175,000 $1,640
175,001 to 200,000 $1,710
200,001 + $2,000

Andre

Isn't that the Cecash system?

I wouldn't buy anything from programmers who don't even know how to install their software properly:

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LOL :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Everyone already knows every sponsor has the ability to shave. MPA was revealed over a year ago as having a built in shaver.

Keep signing up for those $35/signup and FIFTY DOLLAR FRIDAY programs, though. It'll just reinforce the program owners' belief that people like being shaved if the promised numbers are big enough.

why is there only one sponsor in this thread that is actively saying that they don't FUCKING SHAVE?

cuz they're honest and don't want to lie here LOL

anyone here promoting http://www.thecashzone.com/

if so you should visit http://www.adtrackplus.com/00002/index.php?p=register click on the register button (don't bother putting in any details)

now to find some more fuckers using it.

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Anyone who thinks that adtrackplus is the only software that enables programs to shave are kidding themselves. I looked at purchasing affiliate tracking software several months ago, and 90% of the software available had some sort of shaving feature. The difference between adtrackplus & mpa and other software is that these allow you to view a demo easily, whereas other software make it much more difficult.

Remember that any affiliate software that enables shaving is only doing so because the programs who buy the software ask for it. If there was no demand, then the programmers wouldn't waste their time adding it. So it's the programs you should complain about, not the writers of the software. If the software didn't enable shaving, then the any program that wants shaving wouldn't buy the software.

Any program using software that enables shaving doesn't necessarily use it. It is a feature that doesn't have to be used. And a lot of programs don't use it even though they could if they wanted.

So a message to Special Ed - I wouldn't insinuate that programs using adtrackplus (or any other software that enables shaving) are actually shaving, because that could be very libelous if the program isn't actually shaving.

I am thinking of using adtrackplus (purely because it is far superior to anything else available) but would not think of shaving. why? because adtrackplus is great for running a revshare/partnership/50% program (whatever you want to call it) so i would not need to shave. adtrackplus is the only software i can find where i can run such a program using multiple processors and cut my own checks.

I'm sure adtrackplus.com is your site/soft :) ... but you're right anyway

Yes.

PornDollar bought a customized version of it.

Plus, Everyone knows that CE does not shave. Thus carries on to our program.

I think it's just a good publicity for AdTrackPlus.com...:(

Now wouldn't that feature being there plain as day "tempt" the honest program manager. He/She may have NEVER thought of shaving there affiliates but every day they look at stats this feature is staring them in the face. Like the little devil.. try me.. put in a %#.. Shave.. shave.. shave. :1orglaugh

Do you drive at 250km per hour just because your car is capable of it? Do you think everyone who uses that affiliate software shaves just because the option is there?

We use a customized version of adtrackplus and there is no shave facility in our version. But, if there were, I would be wise enough to turn it off.

Shaving is NOT necessary. If you have a good site with original content, you can make plenty of money without shaving.

For me, there are two equally powerful arguments against shaving. Firstly, it's stealing - and I'm not a thief. Secondly, it's bad business sense. Lots of affiliates have scripts that count the number of uniques they send to a link, so it's obvious when a program is shaving uniques. And if a program shaves sign ups but not uniques, its conversions will be bad and affiliates will leave for that reason. Either way, the program will save a few dollars in the short term and lose a lot more in the long term. Most profitable companies are long-term oriented; ours certainly is.

I know which sponsors to stay away from now...

I agree :)

Now im not condoning shaving in any way shape or form but here are some things to think about before someone goes and starts spouting off about an application that works well. I know the guy who wrote adtrackplus and he is a stand up guy. Being honest and saying the feature exists on his website is supposed to be bad? So the feature exists, he's not the one using it on the individual webmaster programs. We know almost all webmaster programs shave , want to know why?

When was the last time you sent a signup to somoene for $35 and they cancelled or chargedback. Did the webmaster program take your $35 back from you? NO probably not.

Someone said, well dont shave and just pay what you can pay. Well thats bullshit too, who are you going to promote? Someone who pays $10 a normal join or someone saying they are paying $35, 45+? Because most of us are greedy you are going to go for the $35, 45, its marketing, don't ya think?

PornJester said it right, work with a program that you trust and you are good to go. Most of the people who bitch about shaving probably dont have shit for traffic anyway, and since they get 1 signup a month they think they are being shaved. Talk to the program owners about their software before you promote them , get to know them. Fuck this is a business you know, its common sense.

What pisses me off is when someone posts and starts bashing adtrackplus because it has a shaving feature. Well god for bid, if only 1 webmaster wanted this feature to cheat you, it wouldnt be in the program I can guarantee that. But obviously for it to be in this application, many people asked for the feature, and being that adtrackplus is out to sell affiliate software , they are going to do what their customers want right? The customer is always right.

So stop bashing the programmers and start using your head and talking to your affiliate programs. If someone is shaving you and you dont like it, move on, maybe by talking to them you might learn something, like maybe they are not shaving and maybe the site you are promoting isnt converting well at the moment, or hell maybe its your fault the traffic isnt converting and your not being shaved.

Anyway, something to think about, maybe webmaster programs should start holding payouts for a month, tracking check chargebacks and cc chargebacks and removing $35 from your check for each one that comes through. I'm sure that would cut down on "shaving".

And again, adtrackplus is a good program, the person who wrote it is a good person, and bashing him or the software is not cool when you know nothing about it and you are bashing him for his honesty on his website.

Andy

If a program cant support their payout structure using honest methods, then the payout structure is wrong.

If it comes down to a decision of who is screwing me "the least" - thats not good enough.

Having over rides to change the stats to not credit sales and/or clicks is not acceptable. Lower the payouts, sure, but count all the signups.

That's imbecilic.

If you can't afford to pay $35/join, don't say you can.

Next time you need to hire a secretary, and want a good one put an ad in the paper saying you're willing to pay $50/hour.

You'll get a damn good secretary.

Then pay her for half the hours she works, and tell her you can't afford to pay her what you promised.

Good luck.

Shaving is fraud. People who build their companies on business models that don't work, then commit fraud to make it work are criminals.

There is no rationalization that changes that very simple fact.

Hmmm, a very interesting thread.

I am the programmer and designer for AdTrack Plus, and I am very surprised that we are receiving criticism for having a shave feature in the software.

AdTrack Plus is one of many available affiliate tracking software titles. All but a handful have a shave feature (whether they publicly say so or not). An ability to shave is something that some webmasters ask for. We are in this business to sell software that webmasters want, and so we have features that some (not all) potential customers ask for.

Everybody on this board will, I assume, run some sort of adult site. I am sure the sites have the content that surfers want to view. Business is after all about providing a product that sells. We have lost sales of our software in the past by previously not having a shave feature. It would be suicidal for us not to add such a feature if one or more webmasters request it, especially when there are dozens of other software that the webmaster could buy instead.

Contrary to what some people have implied in this thread, the staff involved with AdTrack Plus are not here to ensure that people who buy our software have ethics. It would be like Microsoft telling you what you can and cannot do when using Windows XP. AdTrack Plus does not force webmasters to shave hits or signups. We only provide them with the option to. Therefore, any criticism for AdTrack Plus should be directed at the programs who choose to shave.

Wayne

http://www.adtrackplus.com

AMEN :thumbsup


Oh, and PS... as far as I can tell... every affiliate software either comes with shaving options or comes with a shaving module that can be added in.

Every affiliate software has a shave function! Every mod I program for affiliate software tho is made with no shaving features, so if somebody wants my shit, they don't get the shaving part! :Graucho

I'm a webmaster, so I don't make shaving shit!

jDoG

I never said I agree with shaving simply that it exists, we all know it does and for someone to bitch about the programmer is just plain wrong. Bitch at the programs if you can prove they are shaving you. But you are right good programs dont have to shave.

FATPad, you actually just proved t he point I was making in my entire post. You wouldnt put an add in the paper for a good secretary for $50 an hour an pay her $25. It wouldnt be smart. You also wouldnt sit here and blame the school she went to or the company who printed her resume, because of her lack of skill. The person selling the program does not deserve to be discredited just because he built in an option webmasters wanted.

All of this is straight up common sense, and FATPad and Shemp are right, no one was saying compromise, or take the shave or anything else. My point was simply dont start bitching until you know what you are talking about. Bitch about the programs that are shaving you not the programmer, and before you start bitching look at your own shit first. This is a business afterall.

Andy

I can't believe this thread still exists... along with what, a DOZEN others?

All it takes is one webmaster to do a personal trial sign up and have it shaved to fuck your reputation forever, I think thats enough to be able to ignore it.

shaving = stealing

its similar to distributing hitbot software. if the coder doesn't use it to steal traffic, it still doesn't justify his action.

So lets say I downloaded CJUltra, and I was using it to cheat webmasters by signing up for trades and then not sending them any hits , while I got a ton of hits back (essentially cheating / stealing etc). Should you be held accountable for creating a trading application that allowed me to cheat other sites with my trades? I think not.

And yes shaving = stealing, no one is denying that, stop taking 1% of the traffic for using CJ Ultra... hahaha. (if you even take 1%..was just a joke :))

I'm not sure where your line of thinking comes from.

Fact: The software has to contain features that WEBMASTERS want for their program. If the features are not there, there are no sales of the software. No sales of the software equals programmer out of work. This happens for all software, whether it is affiliate tracking or content management. A programmer has to supply what the client wants, not what the programmer wants.

So why is this similar to distributing hitbot software? No comparison.

It is kinda funny that everyone bitches at the guy writing the program, then bends over and begs to take it up the ass again from the guy who actually shaved them.

That other thread on GFY today is a perfect example. Guy gets shaved 80%, and instead of saying who it was, he talks about not wanting to burn bridges and how happy he is to get a check of any kind.

No wonder they keep shaving. Most of the retards around seem to like it.

Wayne

You provide the tool that allows unethical scumbag program operators to commit FRAUD. Don't try and take any moral high ground man, you're just as slimy as them. If you were a real man, you would refuse to provide such a feature.

You as the programmer, know which programs are shaving? or just post the url's of the people who wanted this great feature added on, we would all like to know

Cjultra doesn't have a feature for cheating trades.

If i had coded a built-in hitbot feature in cjultra, do you think i would get away by saying some webmasters asked for the feature?

You need a new lawyer.

FP - Your point is well taken of course, but to me it's two separate though closely related discussions. Jerks like Wayne here and jerks like (insert shaving affiliate program) both deserve to be exposed for their unethical (at best) or illegal (at worst) actions.

I know lets sue McDonalds for dropping a cup of coffee on your lap, or blaming Smith & Wesson for your wife or girlfriend shooting you in the chest. Stupid argument, when are people going to own up for their own mistakes. Either you use the software or you dont, either you use the shave feature or you dont, either you promote a program who shaves your signups or you dont. Its your responsibility, quit blaming others and pointing the finger. I guess you will use CCBILL or Epoch or something for your affiliate program if you start one up because MPA2, AdTrack plus and every other program has a shave feature that may or may not be used built into it.

100 Shavers :glugglug