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Donnie Gangsta · 11-03-2003, 03:07 AM

Hi... my friends at Reflected.net need customers...

So, I decided I would help them out....

I will send any sponsor/program 100 sign ups for every 10mbit they commit to/order. Here are the terms:

You will have your sign ups within one week (max 300 sign ups per week). This is assuming you do not shave me badly, and I will know if you are, because I know my traffic.

I do not care if it is revshare or per sign up.

For lower commitments, the same holds true. 10 sign ups for every 1mbit.

Reflected.net is a very good hosting company, and their network is very fast/fully redundant/multi-homed with several providers. I am good friends with Phil21, who works there, and I came up with this idea as a promotion for them, as a favor to him.

If you are interested, hit me up.

If you want to order hosting, go to www.reflected.net and sign up, or ICQ Phil at 25285313.

Or, if you do not want to do the sign up deal, and just want hosting, they will give you one month free to try it out with no credit card commit. But if anyone wants the sign ups, please just let me know here.

goBigtime · 11-03-2003, 03:09 AM

Dawgy · 11-03-2003, 03:11 AM

nice offer. met the reflected guys in florida. good peeps.

donnie hit me up sometime, got question

dawgy at woofmedia dot com

Donnie Gangsta · 11-03-2003, 03:38 AM

Yeah.. they are cool guys... and this offer is good for the next week. So just reply in this thread if you're interested.... it isn't for just one person. As many people as want to sign up can get the same deal.

VeriSexy · 11-03-2003, 04:05 AM

OMG too good to be true, 100 freaking signups?

Donnie Gangsta · 11-03-2003, 04:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by VeriSexy
OMG too good to be true, 100 freaking signups?

No... Let me clarify. Sorry for the ambiguity..

This deal is primarily for paysite owners and sponsors.

You pay me like a normal affiliate for the traffic. I will guarantee the sign ups if you buy a hosting package. But I still get paid for the sign ups, like any normal affiliate would.

Again, sorry for the confusion...

donnie · 11-03-2003, 04:14 AM

15Mbit = $1249.00

And you will send me 150 signups if I order this??????

Donnie Gangsta · 11-03-2003, 04:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by donnie
15Mbit = $1249.00

And you will send me 150 signups if I order this??????

Yeah, if you pay me for them at normal payout rates. I was a bit unclear at first, sorry

It is not free sign ups, like me giving you $5k... but it is good if you are a paysite owner and need joins to your site!

Pornwolf · 11-03-2003, 04:18 AM

That's a great deal. Anyone with a new program would be stupid not to get a box over there. I need some good friends like Donnie!

lock · 11-03-2003, 04:44 AM

fuck i would almost do it

JamesK · 11-03-2003, 04:46 AM

good deal. thinking about it

BrentD · 11-03-2003, 05:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Donnie Gangsta

Yeah, if you pay me for them at normal payout rates. I was a bit unclear at first, sorry It is not free sign ups, like me giving you $5k... but it is good if you are a paysite owner and need joins to your site!

Ok let me get this straight, you buy 10Mbit at $749.00, you send 100 signups (guaranteed) and the averager affiliate program is from 40-60% payout so lets say the website has $19.95 a month as the memebrship, $19.95 x 100 = $1995.00 - 50% on the average = $997.50 to you and $997.50 to the buyer, so in the end you have actually $997.50 - $749.00 for a whopping profit of just $248.50???

Doesn't sound like it is worth it to me unless your memebrships are $24.95 to $39.95 per signup

mrthumbs · 11-03-2003, 05:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BrentD

Ok let me get this straight, you buy 10Mbit at $749.00, you send 100 signups (guaranteed) and the averager affiliate program is from 40-60% payout so lets say the website has $19.95 a month as the memebrship, $19.95 x 100 = $1995.00 - 50% on the average = $997.50 to you and $997.50 to the buyer, so in the end you have actually $997.50 - $749.00 for a whopping profit of just $248.50???

no

Trax · 11-03-2003, 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BrentD

Ok let me get this straight, you buy 10Mbit at $749.00, you send 100 signups (guaranteed) and the averager affiliate program is from 40-60% payout so lets say the website has $19.95 a month as the memebrship, $19.95 x 100 = $1995.00 - 50% on the average = $997.50 to you and $997.50 to the buyer, so in the end you have actually $997.50 - $749.00 for a whopping profit of just $248.50???

Doesn't sound like it is worth it to me unless your memebrships are $24.95 to $39.95 per signup

wtf are you talking about?

Donnie Gangsta · 11-03-2003, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BrentD

Ok let me get this straight, you buy 10Mbit at $749.00, you send 100 signups (guaranteed) and the averager affiliate program is from 40-60% payout so lets say the website has $19.95 a month as the memebrship, $19.95 x 100 = $1995.00 - 50% on the average = $997.50 to you and $997.50 to the buyer, so in the end you have actually $997.50 - $749.00 for a whopping profit of just $248.50???

Doesn't sound like it is worth it to me unless your memebrships are $24.95 to $39.95 per signup

Well.. the point is to buy good hosting. Not to buy a dedicated package for one month then cancel. You will be happy with Reflected's service.

And I'm sure most any affiliate program would be glad to get 100 sign ups. It is just a promotion for Reflected.

So.. I'm bumping this thread. Let me know if you're interested, and not short sighted like this guy above..

doober · 11-03-2003, 06:05 PM

pretty cool offer id say...
Someone should grab this!

Donnie Gangsta · 11-03-2003, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by doober
pretty cool offer id say...
Someone should grab this!

Anyone can grab this... it isn't limited to one person.

xxxdesign-net · 11-03-2003, 06:08 PM

what is your source of traffic..?

Donnie Gangsta · 11-03-2003, 06:14 PM

Mail traffic from an opt in email program ($1 per confirmed email) type deal.. So there is IP address stamp, name, address, sexual orientation, etc of each recipient..

dicknixon · 11-03-2003, 06:48 PM

Donnie Gangsta:

Hit me up on ICQ. I am interested in moving my post servers to Reflected.net and had some questions for you.

ICQ: 127045858

advertiser · 11-03-2003, 06:49 PM

plan b
send them to my nastydollars referal link
I give you 50%
ie $1750
I buy 10mbit from reflected

I already have a virtual with them and would keep this going.
I could not be happier with there hosting.

goBigtime · 11-03-2003, 07:02 PM

And here's another thought.....

Maybe YOUR PROGRAM will be so good (conversion wise) that'll WOW Donnie & He'll want to send you EVEN MORE signups than the 100 guaranteed...

lol but you might think twice about trying to get away with shaving Donnie in this situation

FreeFastHost · 11-03-2003, 07:31 PM

I'm interested, please hit me up on icq, 67567305.

Nima · 11-03-2003, 08:09 PM

Great deal! I think you will like promoting a new reality site

JSA Matt · 11-03-2003, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BrentD

Ok let me get this straight, you buy 10Mbit at $749.00, you send 100 signups (guaranteed) and the averager affiliate program is from 40-60% payout so lets say the website has $19.95 a month as the memebrship, $19.95 x 100 = $1995.00 - 50% on the average = $997.50 to you and $997.50 to the buyer, so in the end you have actually $997.50 - $749.00 for a whopping profit of just $248.50???

Doesn't sound like it is worth it to me unless your memebrships are $24.95 to $39.95 per signup

You are forgetting cross sales, upsales, mailers, dialers, etc.. but the most important thing you are forgetting is the recurring (assuming you know how to retain members :P).

Why · 11-03-2003, 08:34 PM

i have some hosting at reflected and its top knotch.

Donnie Gangsta · 11-03-2003, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by advertiser
plan b
send them to my nastydollars referal link
I give you 50%
ie $1750
I buy 10mbit from reflected

I already have a virtual with them and would keep this going.
I could not be happier with there hosting.

I would do it for 70% of ND$.

advertiser · 11-03-2003, 08:53 PM

that sounds fair
2 things
I just emailed Phil I need 1gig ram not the 1/2 on there standard plan
ND is not performing so well currently
Totals 103845 183 $6405 1:567 with tgp

with my virtual acount there I have had maybe 10mins of downtime in the 2 months i have been there (i think it was when they upped the ram on the box)

Phoenix · 11-03-2003, 09:09 PM

this sounds like a pretty good deal..if one happened to be looking for the hosting at the same time.

Kevin2 · 11-03-2003, 10:13 PM

Without even taking into account what Donnie is offering I like what I see at reflected. I will email them to find out about their colo services because they seem pretty cheap

Donnie Gangsta · 11-04-2003, 12:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by advertiser
that sounds fair
2 things
I just emailed Phil I need 1gig ram not the 1/2 on there standard plan
ND is not performing so well currently
Totals 103845 183 $6405 1:567 with tgp

with my virtual acount there I have had maybe 10mins of downtime in the 2 months i have been there (i think it was when they upped the ram on the box)

ND is fine with my traffic.. You would get the sign ups very fast.. Just let me know what Phil says and I will send to you if you want to make the deal.

johnbosh · 11-04-2003, 12:54 AM

Damn where do you get the traffic from

wargames · 11-04-2003, 12:56 AM

good idea

Dawgy · 11-04-2003, 01:02 AM

donnie can you deliver gay signups?

hit me up, id like to talk volume (gay & str8)

icq 1148977

advertiser · 11-04-2003, 01:17 AM

Thanks Donnie Gangsta
I will let you know
I need the 1gig ram 1/2gig has been to slow in the past with other hosts.
Cheers

TonyL · 11-04-2003, 01:24 AM

Few questions before proceeding ICQ me: 28143495

Donnie Gangsta · 11-04-2003, 01:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dawgy
donnie can you deliver gay signups?

hit me up, id like to talk volume (gay & str8)

icq 1148977

I honestly don't know how many gay sign ups I could deliver. I've never really tried.... I ask users their sexual orientation...

Could probably sign up some... couldn't promise those #'s though.

Phil21 · 11-04-2003, 12:40 PM

Hey guys,

I had a family emergency I had to attend to that came up with zero notice, so pretty much a few hours after this was posted I was gone until just now.

I'm going to crash a few hours, and then get back to work here. I have dozens of ICQ's I need to wade through, I'm not ignoring you guys.

Every single one of you should get a reply within a few hours here.

Thanks for understanding, please remember also if you have anything urgent you can always hit us up 24/7 at our role contacts (sales/[email protected]).

Thanks again to Donnie, I couldn't have thought of a better promo myself, and quite honestly am still floored by this.

To Advertiser: Thanks for the kind words. 1GB vs the 512MB is no problem at all, I'll contact you tonight and we can work it all out. We have both servers in stock, and should have a little stockpile of RAM left as well I can just toss in some machines.

-Phil

tootie · 11-04-2003, 12:54 PM

This would be a pretty sweet deal if I wasn't already paying $300 a month for 10 mb. I got a sweet special deal and I'm not leaving it, obviously. But this sounds really good for those who need hosting anyway.

Samantha_Luvcox · 11-04-2003, 01:05 PM

Donnie Gangsta...

Could you hit us up on ICQ 4009474 have a couple questions for you, Thanks sweety

xdcdave · 11-04-2003, 01:40 PM

damn if I had a way to use 10Mb I would jump all over this.. but I'm barely cracking 400Gb/mo

advertiser · 11-04-2003, 03:15 PM

Thanks Phil21 great as always
Hope all works out well for you.

Cheers

dicknixon · 11-04-2003, 03:46 PM

Donnie:

We are moving our post servers now. I talked to Mike at Reflected.net and am ready to pick up the 10mbs dedicated box. Please send me an email (roy @ independent-web dot com) so we can work out these signups.

Thanks for hooking up such a great deal.

Donnie Gangsta · 11-04-2003, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by xdcdave
damn if I had a way to use 10Mb I would jump all over this.. but I'm barely cracking 400Gb/mo

400GB is enough for 10 sign ups! You don't have to buy at least 10mbps. 400 GB is just over 1mbps.

The deal applies to virtual accounts as well as dedicated... just let me know... One person has already done the 10mbps deal and I have sent him like 15 sign up so far and he will get the rest by the end of the day most likely..

- D

Donnie Gangsta · 11-04-2003, 05:57 PM

Bumping this for the evening GFY session.. I got 4 ppl so far who want 10mbit.. sending to the first one today..

Anyone else want joins?

Can go as low as 1mbit, which is 10 sign ups.. most likely you will get more than 10 though..

320 GB = 1mbit.. so virtual customers can have the same deal ! just buy a big virtual package.. perfect for gallery hosting or what have you...

- D

AvsTgp · 11-04-2003, 05:59 PM

Donnie
Do you have gay traffic? and can you provide that for a gay site?
if yes Im in for one of my programs

partytime · 11-04-2003, 06:06 PM

Do they manage the box, or do you have to do everything?

Sounds like a good deal to me.

Donnie Gangsta · 11-04-2003, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AvsTgp
Donnie
Do you have gay traffic? and can you provide that for a gay site?
if yes Im in for one of my programs

I could try to send to gay and see.. I will try tonight and let you know.

Donnie Gangsta · 11-04-2003, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by partytime
Do they manage the box, or do you have to do everything?

Sounds like a good deal to me.

Phil can answer specific questions, or you could call 1-888-318-1539 and talk to them. But they manage everything if you want, including adding domains, installing modules, your mail, etc..

SomeCreep · 11-04-2003, 06:08 PM

50 signups for 5mbit ordered

11-03-2003, 03:07 AM	#1
Donnie Gangsta Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,104	100 Sign ups to you if you buy dedicated package Hi... my friends at Reflected.net need customers... So, I decided I would help them out.... I will send any sponsor/program 100 sign ups for every 10mbit they commit to/order. Here are the terms: You will have your sign ups within one week (max 300 sign ups per week). This is assuming you do not shave me badly, and I will know if you are, because I know my traffic. I do not care if it is revshare or per sign up. For lower commitments, the same holds true. 10 sign ups for every 1mbit. Reflected.net is a very good hosting company, and their network is very fast/fully redundant/multi-homed with several providers. I am good friends with Phil21, who works there, and I came up with this idea as a promotion for them, as a favor to him. If you are interested, hit me up. If you want to order hosting, go to www.reflected.net and sign up, or ICQ Phil at 25285313. Or, if you do not want to do the sign up deal, and just want hosting, they will give you one month free to try it out with no credit card commit. But if anyone wants the sign ups, please just let me know here.

11-03-2003, 03:11 AM	#3
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11-03-2003, 04:18 AM	#9
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11-03-2003, 04:44 AM	#10
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11-03-2003, 03:09 AM	#2
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11-03-2003, 03:38 AM	#4
Donnie Gangsta Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,104	Yeah.. they are cool guys... and this offer is good for the next week. So just reply in this thread if you're interested.... it isn't for just one person. As many people as want to sign up can get the same deal.

11-03-2003, 04:14 AM	#7
donnie Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,630	15Mbit = $1249.00 And you will send me 150 signups if I order this??????

11-03-2003, 04:46 AM	#11
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11-03-2003, 06:05 PM	#16
doober Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: in yoOoo kitchen Posts: 6,984	pretty cool offer id say... Someone should grab this!

11-03-2003, 06:08 PM	#18
xxxdesign-net My hips don't lie Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 10,129	what is your source of traffic..?

11-03-2003, 06:14 PM	#19
Donnie Gangsta Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,104	Mail traffic from an opt in email program ($1 per confirmed email) type deal.. So there is IP address stamp, name, address, sexual orientation, etc of each recipient..

11-03-2003, 06:48 PM	#20
dicknixon Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Chicago Posts: 548	Donnie Gangsta: Hit me up on ICQ. I am interested in moving my post servers to Reflected.net and had some questions for you. ICQ: 127045858

11-03-2003, 06:49 PM	#21
advertiser Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: mensa Posts: 457	plan b send them to my nastydollars referal link I give you 50% ie $1750 I buy 10mbit from reflected I already have a virtual with them and would keep this going. I could not be happier with there hosting.

11-03-2003, 07:02 PM	#22
goBigtime Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 7,761	And here's another thought..... Maybe YOUR PROGRAM will be so good (conversion wise) that'll WOW Donnie & He'll want to send you EVEN MORE signups than the 100 guaranteed... lol but you might think twice about trying to get away with shaving Donnie in this situation

11-03-2003, 07:31 PM	#23
FreeFastHost Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,588	I'm interested, please hit me up on icq, 67567305.

11-03-2003, 08:09 PM	#24
Nima Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 2,192	Great deal! I think you will like promoting a new reality site

11-03-2003, 08:34 PM	#26
Why MFBA Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: PNW Posts: 7,230	i have some hosting at reflected and its top knotch.

11-03-2003, 08:53 PM	#28
advertiser Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: mensa Posts: 457	that sounds fair 2 things I just emailed Phil I need 1gig ram not the 1/2 on there standard plan ND is not performing so well currently Totals 103845 183 $6405 1:567 with tgp with my virtual acount there I have had maybe 10mins of downtime in the 2 months i have been there (i think it was when they upped the ram on the box)

11-03-2003, 09:09 PM	#29
Phoenix BACON BACON BACON Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Poems everybody, the laddie fancies himself a poet Posts: 35,469	this sounds like a pretty good deal..if one happened to be looking for the hosting at the same time. __________________ Skype Phoenixskype1 Telegram PhoenixBrad https://quantads.io

11-03-2003, 10:13 PM	#30
Kevin2 Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 1,429	Without even taking into account what Donnie is offering I like what I see at reflected. I will email them to find out about their colo services because they seem pretty cheap

11-04-2003, 12:54 AM	#32
johnbosh Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Netherlands, Rotterdam Posts: 8,965	Damn where do you get the traffic from

11-04-2003, 12:56 AM	#33
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11-04-2003, 01:02 AM	#34
Dawgy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 5,856	donnie can you deliver gay signups? hit me up, id like to talk volume (gay & str8) icq 1148977 __________________ the revolution is coming.

11-04-2003, 01:17 AM	#35
advertiser Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: mensa Posts: 457	Thanks Donnie Gangsta I will let you know I need the 1gig ram 1/2gig has been to slow in the past with other hosts. Cheers

11-04-2003, 01:24 AM	#36
TonyL Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: "A measure of a man is his post count". Write that down. Posts: 900	Few questions before proceeding ICQ me: 28143495

11-04-2003, 12:40 PM	#38
Phil21 Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ICQ: 25285313 Posts: 993	Hey guys, I had a family emergency I had to attend to that came up with zero notice, so pretty much a few hours after this was posted I was gone until just now. I'm going to crash a few hours, and then get back to work here. I have dozens of ICQ's I need to wade through, I'm not ignoring you guys. Every single one of you should get a reply within a few hours here. Thanks for understanding, please remember also if you have anything urgent you can always hit us up 24/7 at our role contacts (sales/[email protected]). Thanks again to Donnie, I couldn't have thought of a better promo myself, and quite honestly am still floored by this. To Advertiser: Thanks for the kind words. 1GB vs the 512MB is no problem at all, I'll contact you tonight and we can work it all out. We have both servers in stock, and should have a little stockpile of RAM left as well I can just toss in some machines. -Phil __________________ Quality affordable hosting.

11-04-2003, 12:54 PM	#39
tootie Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Planet Earp Posts: 6,041	This would be a pretty sweet deal if I wasn't already paying $300 a month for 10 mb. I got a sweet special deal and I'm not leaving it, obviously. But this sounds really good for those who need hosting anyway. __________________

11-04-2003, 01:05 PM	#40
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11-04-2003, 01:40 PM	#41
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11-04-2003, 03:15 PM	#42
advertiser Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: mensa Posts: 457	Thanks Phil21 great as always Hope all works out well for you. Cheers

11-04-2003, 03:46 PM	#43
dicknixon Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Chicago Posts: 548	Donnie: We are moving our post servers now. I talked to Mike at Reflected.net and am ready to pick up the 10mbs dedicated box. Please send me an email (roy @ independent-web dot com) so we can work out these signups. Thanks for hooking up such a great deal.

11-04-2003, 05:57 PM	#45
Donnie Gangsta Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,104	Bumping this for the evening GFY session.. I got 4 ppl so far who want 10mbit.. sending to the first one today.. Anyone else want joins? Can go as low as 1mbit, which is 10 sign ups.. most likely you will get more than 10 though.. 320 GB = 1mbit.. so virtual customers can have the same deal ! just buy a big virtual package.. perfect for gallery hosting or what have you... - D

11-04-2003, 05:59 PM	#46
AvsTgp Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 318	Donnie Do you have gay traffic? and can you provide that for a gay site? if yes Im in for one of my programs

11-04-2003, 06:06 PM	#47
partytime Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 258	Do they manage the box, or do you have to do everything? Sounds like a good deal to me.