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DarkJedi · 11-03-2003, 01:58 AM

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/20.../index_np.html

Oiling up the draft machine?
The Pentagon is quietly moving to fill draft board vacancies nationwide. While officials say there's no cause to worry, some experts aren't so sure.

By Dave Lindorff

Nov. 3, 2003 | The community draft boards that became notorious for sending reluctant young men off to Vietnam have languished sinced the early 1970s, their membership ebbing and their purpose all but lost when the draft was ended. But a few weeks ago, on an obscure federal Web site devoted to the war on terrorism, the Bush administration quietly began a public campaign to bring the draft boards back to life. Especially for those who were of age to fight in the Vietnam, it is an ominous flashback of a message. Even floating the idea of a draft in the months before an election would be politically explosive, and the Pentagon last week was adamant that the push to staff up the draft boards is not a portent of things to come. Increasingly, however, military experts and even some influential members of Congress are suggesting that if Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld's prediction of a "long, hard slog" in Iraq and Afghanistan proves accurate, the U.S. may have no choice but to consider a draft to fully staff the nation's military in a time of global instability.

galleryseek · 11-03-2003, 02:04 AM

yeah right.

BRISK · 11-03-2003, 02:04 AM

Pornwolf · 11-03-2003, 02:05 AM

Bye bye kids. I will entertain all reasonable requests to buy your sites before you go away.

Mr.Fiction · 11-03-2003, 02:05 AM

Bush probably won't do it before the 2004 election, but he would have nothing to lose if he were to somehow get back into office after the 2004 election.

Dildozer · 11-03-2003, 02:06 AM

Come to Canada, there's plenty of room for draft refugees

Pornwolf · 11-03-2003, 02:07 AM

When Bush ges re-elected, and I said when not IF, he's going to be absolute hell on everybody.

Mr.Fiction · 11-03-2003, 02:30 AM

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Originally posted by Pornwolf
When Bush ges re-elected, and I said when not IF, he's going to be absolute hell on everybody.

I doubt he will get elected in 2004, but anything is possible.

The worse Iraq gets, the more Americans are going to vote for General Clark.

BRISK · 11-03-2003, 02:32 AM

Bush should campaign on a plan to send all wiggers to Iran, Syria, and North Korea.

Dildozer · 11-03-2003, 02:41 AM

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Originally posted by BRISK
Bush should campaign on a plan to send all wiggers to Iran, Syria, and North Korea.

Think of all the losses in the markets for fart pipes, ricers, altezza lights, huge useless spoilers, ugly clothing and outrageously loud car stereos that would cause!

The national IQ average would probably jump up about oh 20 points though

smack · 11-03-2003, 02:52 AM

it's funny. if you need to resort to a draft. doesn't that mean your population isn't really behind the war?

theking · 11-03-2003, 02:53 AM

The draft should never have been done away with and it should be re-instituted.

Plan9 · 11-03-2003, 02:55 AM

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Originally posted by Dildozer

Think of all the losses in the markets for fart pipes, ricers, altezza lights, huge useless spoilers, ugly clothing and outrageously loud car stereos that would cause!

The national IQ average would probably jump up about oh 20 points though

Ahh, thats so sad, yet so true.

sm00ty · 11-03-2003, 03:15 AM

wear pink panties to the physical.

Joe Citizen · 11-03-2003, 03:17 AM

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Originally posted by theking
The draft should never have been done away with and it should be re-instituted.

Isn't freedom about having choice?

Mr.Fiction · 11-03-2003, 03:25 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Citizen

Isn't freedom about having choice?

The draft might make people care about the choices they do make.

Right now, many Americans don't really care about soldiers dying because it doesn't affect them personally.

Imagine if the GFY pro-war crowd knew that their kids were going to be the ones fighting the war, they might think twice about voting for idiots like Bush.

DarkJedi · 11-03-2003, 03:30 AM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction

The draft might make people care about the choices they do make.

Right now, many Americans don't really care about soldiers dying because it doesn't affect them personally.

Imagine if the GFY pro-war crowd knew that their kids were going to be the ones fighting the war, they might think twice about voting for idiots like Bush.

well said

sumphatpimp · 11-03-2003, 03:35 AM

be the first on your block to have your boy come home in a box.

theking · 11-03-2003, 03:38 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Citizen

Isn't freedom about having choice?

Should not one have to contribute to the fruits of freedom...or should one just be allowed to ride upon the backs of the sacrifices made by others...like you do?

In the 1st Gulf War...if I recall correctly...not a single member of Congress had a son or daughter serving in the military. Currently less than 1% of the population ever serve in the military. Thus the leaders of Government...and the population at large...are a little to willing to sacrifice those that do serve...as they do not really have anyone...and in many cases they do not know anyone...that has a loved one to lose on a field of battle.

The draft needs to be reinstituted for this reason alone. The draft effects all walks of life and makes those in Government and the general population a little more reluctant to send those that are serving into harms way.

theking · 11-03-2003, 04:30 AM

No answer to the question I asked Joe?

BrentD · 11-03-2003, 04:39 AM

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Originally posted by Dildozer
Come to Canada, there's plenty of room for draft refugees

Canada is a very hard place to move to, you either have a family member already there to sponsor you for the next 10 years (meaning vouvh for you and if you fuck up they get in trouble too), or you have to file for citizenship through employment and there are a few other ways too, you jsut can't pack your bags and move into canada and say hell here I am, I want to rent a place to live. If it was that easy I would have moved to Ottawa 2 years ago

BrentD · 11-03-2003, 04:41 AM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction

I doubt he will get elected in 2004, but anything is possible.

The worse Iraq gets, the more Americans are going to vote for General Clark.

Anyone who doesn't vote democratic in the next elections after seeing what a republican (Bush) does to the adult industry then they deserve what they get

BrentD · 11-03-2003, 04:43 AM

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Originally posted by sm00ty
wear pink panties to the physical.

Don't forget to wear lipstick and paint your toenails too

Gemini · 11-03-2003, 04:51 AM

Canada and the US made an agreement a LONG time ago... no more draft dodgers hang out up there. Canada would arrest and send them back as they are found.

King, give it a rest. Sheesh you sound like a 30 yr man.

BRISK · 11-03-2003, 05:02 AM

I remember someone telling me once that when Iggy Pop got drafted he didn't wanted to go, so at the physical checkup they do when you're drafted he got on the table and started jerking off in front of everyone. Consequently he wasn't drafted.

I've always wondered if that was true. Anyone know?

Furious_Female · 11-03-2003, 05:03 AM

I think we should take all the inmates doing life in US prisons, clogging up the cells and costing us money... Send them all over to Iraq. If they get out alive, they get out of their life in prison sentence. Saves the US tax payers a boat load of money and they get reformed.

Yeah I know it's not practical and they'd only take the guns and kill each other... but, I think it's a better idea than forcing young kids to go fight when they don't want to. This generation has NO idea what true sacrifice is. It would be a mess... I don't want to see this war end up like another Vietnam.

I watched a news documentary the other night on soldiers that returned home from Vietnam the other night. It was saying how a lot of them basically got fucked up in the head, because of the lack of support when they came home, unlike the moral and emotional support troops had coming home from WWI or WWII etc.

They were over there watching death every minute, then they come home and have all these war hippie protestors telling them they are monsters for doing what their country told them to do. Not supporting the war or the troops fighting for us, is BAD mental confusion to vulnerable minds. I have nothing but respect and appreciation for anyone doing it... and would never make them feel like they are wrong for doing so... because I would be scared to death every waking moment.

theking · 11-03-2003, 05:03 AM

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Originally posted by Gemini
Canada and the US made an agreement a LONG time ago... no more draft dodgers hang out up there. Canada would arrest and send them back as they are found.

King, give it a rest. Sheesh you sound like a 30 yr man.

Did I say something that is not correct...or that you disagree with?

theking · 11-03-2003, 05:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gemini
Canada and the US made an agreement a LONG time ago... no more draft dodgers hang out up there. Canada would arrest and send them back as they are found.

King, give it a rest. Sheesh you sound like a 30 yr man.

I must have missed this "agreement" between Canada pertaining to draft dodgers...where can I educate myself about this...if you know?

BRISK · 11-03-2003, 05:16 AM

Isn't being a draft dodger a criminal offence?

Canada will extradite individuals wanted on criminal charges in the US, don't they?

http://lois.justice.gc.ca/en/E-23.01/

BrentD · 11-03-2003, 05:16 AM

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Originally posted by sumphatpimp
be the first on your block to have your boy come home in a box.

Or girl since the army is now liberated

Joe Citizen · 11-03-2003, 05:54 AM

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Originally posted by theking
Should not one have to contribute to the fruits of freedom...or should one just be allowed to ride upon the backs of the sacrifices made by others...like you do?

If someone comes to invade Australia I will gladly defend my country. But don't tell me that I should be compelled to participate in wars of economic and political imperialism.

I'm not going to die so the rich can get richer or to satisfy the whim of a warmongering leader that I wouldn't have voted for in the first place. My life is worth more than that.

Freedom is all about choice. If a nation isn't worth defending then nobody will step forward to defend it. If it is, they will. It's that simple.

theking · 11-03-2003, 06:11 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Citizen

If someone comes to invade Australia I will gladly defend my country. But don't tell me that I should be compelled to participate in wars of economic and political imperialism.

I'm not going to die so the rich can get richer or to satisfy the whim of a warmongering leader that I wouldn't have voted for in the first place. My life is worth more than that.

Freedom is all about choice. If a nation isn't worth defending then nobody will step forward to defend it. If it is, they will. It's that simple.

"economic and political imperialism" as you put it is part of a nations self interest/way of life/survival...and is in fact part of "defending" ones country. Australia...or the US for that matter can suffer severe consequences...economically...as well as loss of life without any enemy stepping a single foot upon its soil...or a single city being bombed. Thus your position is lacking in insight.

You like to use the word "freedom" alot. "Freedom" is a word and freedom does not exist...as it should not exist...for if it did exist...there would be anarchy. There has to be structure...a structure of laws...a structure of enforcement of those laws...and any single law removes a freedom of choice...but without the structure...there would be anarchy and "survival of the fittest" would be the law of the day.

Joe Citizen · 11-03-2003, 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by theking

"economic and political imperialism" as you put it is part of a nations self interest/way of life/survival...and is in fact part of "defending" ones country. Australia...or the US for that matter can suffer severe consequences...economically...as well as loss of life without any enemy stepping a single foot upon its soil...or a single city being bombed. Thus your position is lacking in insight.

My position isn't lacking in insight. I simply believe that war should not be waged for economic reasons. Killing for money is something that is considered wrong if I was to do it to the man down the road but it is somehow okay to kill foreigners (and your own citizens) in wars based on economic gain. It reeks of hypocrisy and I won't be forced into participating through some draft.

theking · 11-03-2003, 06:32 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Citizen

My position isn't lacking in insight. I simply believe that war should not be waged for economic reasons. Killing for money is something that is considered wrong if I was to do it to the man down the road but it is somehow okay to kill foreigners (and your own citizens) in wars based on economic gain. It reeks of hypocrisy and I won't be forced into participating through some draft.

Just so that I have a complete understanding of what you are saying...it it that you would not be willing to fight if a blockade of all imports and exports were established against Australia...even though this would alter your economy with prejudice? I know that Australia is a large continent but does it have enough ararable soil to feed its population...I suspect that it does...but are you willing to see Australia reduced to basic survival...because you do not believe in waging war for "economic" reasons?

theking · 11-03-2003, 10:49 AM

No response to the last series of questions Joe?

Jon · 11-03-2003, 10:55 AM

Everytime I read or hear about one of these Canada doesn't seem all that bad to live at.

GrimShawn · 11-03-2003, 10:59 AM

I'm glad i'm old

fsfaz · 11-03-2003, 11:04 AM

I guess I'd have to start doing heroin (again). Yum; that warm feeling and being numb all at the same time.

Bex · 11-03-2003, 11:21 AM

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Originally posted by Furious_Female
I think we should take all the inmates doing life in US prisons, clogging up the cells and costing us money... Send them all over to Iraq. If they get out alive, they get out of their life in prison sentence. Saves the US tax payers a boat load of money and they get reformed.

Are you kidding me? The US prison system is way too big of an industry to go wasting on that type of venture! Heck if they started taking inmates out of the prison system, how could they keep expanding it? There is far too much money involved for something like that to occur!

11-03-2003, 01:58 AM	#1
DarkJedi No Refunds Issued. Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: GFY Posts: 28,301	The draft is back http://www.salon.com/news/feature/20.../index_np.html Oiling up the draft machine? The Pentagon is quietly moving to fill draft board vacancies nationwide. While officials say there's no cause to worry, some experts aren't so sure. By Dave Lindorff Nov. 3, 2003 \| The community draft boards that became notorious for sending reluctant young men off to Vietnam have languished sinced the early 1970s, their membership ebbing and their purpose all but lost when the draft was ended. But a few weeks ago, on an obscure federal Web site devoted to the war on terrorism, the Bush administration quietly began a public campaign to bring the draft boards back to life. Especially for those who were of age to fight in the Vietnam, it is an ominous flashback of a message. Even floating the idea of a draft in the months before an election would be politically explosive, and the Pentagon last week was adamant that the push to staff up the draft boards is not a portent of things to come. Increasingly, however, military experts and even some influential members of Congress are suggesting that if Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld's prediction of a "long, hard slog" in Iraq and Afghanistan proves accurate, the U.S. may have no choice but to consider a draft to fully staff the nation's military in a time of global instability.

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BRISK Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,240	I remember someone telling me once that when Iggy Pop got drafted he didn't wanted to go, so at the physical checkup they do when you're drafted he got on the table and started jerking off in front of everyone. Consequently he wasn't drafted. I've always wondered if that was true. Anyone know? __________________ I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do, I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

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Furious_Female Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Upstate, New York Posts: 8,187	I think we should take all the inmates doing life in US prisons, clogging up the cells and costing us money... Send them all over to Iraq. If they get out alive, they get out of their life in prison sentence. Saves the US tax payers a boat load of money and they get reformed. Yeah I know it's not practical and they'd only take the guns and kill each other... but, I think it's a better idea than forcing young kids to go fight when they don't want to. This generation has NO idea what true sacrifice is. It would be a mess... I don't want to see this war end up like another Vietnam. I watched a news documentary the other night on soldiers that returned home from Vietnam the other night. It was saying how a lot of them basically got fucked up in the head, because of the lack of support when they came home, unlike the moral and emotional support troops had coming home from WWI or WWII etc. They were over there watching death every minute, then they come home and have all these war hippie protestors telling them they are monsters for doing what their country told them to do. Not supporting the war or the troops fighting for us, is BAD mental confusion to vulnerable minds. I have nothing but respect and appreciation for anyone doing it... and would never make them feel like they are wrong for doing so... because I would be scared to death every waking moment. __________________ Skype: j3nn.com ICQ 160370494 My current favorite high-converting sponsor: CrakRevenue

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BRISK Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,240	Isn't being a draft dodger a criminal offence? Canada will extradite individuals wanted on criminal charges in the US, don't they? http://lois.justice.gc.ca/en/E-23.01/ __________________ I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do, I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

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