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DarkJedi · 10-30-2003, 04:19 PM

THE AIRPLANE MIGHT INTERFERE WITH THE LAWS BUSH AND CO. WANT PASSED TO ALLOW INCREASED LOGGING BY GREEDY JEWS.

Frankly, I'm outraged," says Robinson. "This has been going on over six years. The Forest Service has refused to allow this plane into this country for fire fighting. It's a modern aircraft, a four-engine jet. It covers an area the size of 12 football fields with one
10-second drop [of liquid v water or retardant]. It puts a fireline down 300 feet wide and 3,900 feet long in 10 seconds.

It would have saved every community in Colorado and Arizona this year. It would have saved those 300 homes in Los Alamos two years ago."

Robinson said that two years ago during the Cerro Grande fire near Los Alamos, EMERCOM had two planes sitting on the runway in Moscow, fully crewed, each plane having three eight-man crews, ready to take off. They had been requested by FEMA, but at the last minute, FEMA told them they weren't needed after all.

The Associated Press reported that then-District IX FEMA director Buddy Young went to the fire and publicly announced, "You will not bring the Russian planes in here: We're not having any Russians coming here and fighting our fires."

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Babaganoosh · 10-30-2003, 04:47 PM

Who cares? They didn't want our help when they had a submarine resting at the bottom of the ocean full of Russian sailors.

WiredGuy · 10-30-2003, 04:47 PM

Sounds American like

I wonder if these planes are so good though, why doesn't the US have its own version? These aircraft sound so large that I wonder if they land/takeoff on most runways...

WG

hyatla · 10-30-2003, 04:51 PM

Oh, that's why I heard it all over the news: logging, logging, logging... Why don't we just cut the Bushs?

freeadultcontent · 10-30-2003, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy
Sounds American like
I wonder if these planes are so good though, why doesn't the US have its own version? These aircraft sound so large that I wonder if they land/takeoff on most runways...

WG

They are logistical nightmares. Personally way up north in california where mountain wildfires are very common. We use a great number of air support vehicles. They must be able to take off and land on very small runways. Not to mention one other tiny issue, airports do not have the water to fill this damn things. Hence the reason for use of so many helicopters and small planes. It is so they can fill up via lakes, swimming pools ect.

jeroman · 10-30-2003, 05:02 PM

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Originally posted by Armed & Hammered
Who cares? They didn't want our help when they had a submarine resting at the bottom of the ocean full of Russian sailors.

Are you Stupid ?

Do you mean it's a revenge now.
Hehehe, you are not allowed to help, yes, better burn
the city down, hehehe - Got you There assholes, hehehe.

How many stupid idiots iare there anyway ?

freeadultcontent · 10-30-2003, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jeroman

Are you Stupid ?

Do you mean it's a revenge now.
Hehehe, you are not allowed to help, yes, better burn
the city down, hehehe - Got you There assholes, hehehe.

How many stupid idiots iare there anyway ?

it isnt political, its logistical.

CNN · 10-30-2003, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by freeadultcontent

They are logistical nightmares. Personally way up north in california where mountain wildfires are very common. We use a great number of air support vehicles. They must be able to take off and land on very small runways. Not to mention one other tiny issue, airports do not have the water to fill this damn things. Hence the reason for use of so many helicopters and small planes. It is so they can fill up via lakes, swimming pools ect.

right

Babaganoosh · 10-30-2003, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jeroman

Are you Stupid ?

Do you mean it's a revenge now.
Hehehe, you are not allowed to help, yes, better burn
the city down, hehehe - Got you There assholes, hehehe.

How many stupid idiots iare there anyway ?

Dumbass, nice way to over-simplify the matter. I'm just saying that for one reason or another, sometimes it's better handling it on your own.

BigFish · 10-30-2003, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jeroman

Are you Stupid ?

Do you mean it's a revenge now.
Hehehe, you are not allowed to help, yes, better burn
the city down, hehehe - Got you There assholes, hehehe.

How many stupid idiots iare there anyway ?

you're the stupid one kid.

jeroman · 10-30-2003, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BigFish

you're the stupid one kid.

Why Junior ?

jeroman · 10-30-2003, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Armed & Hammered

Dumbass, nice way to over-simplify the matter. I'm just saying that for one reason or another, sometimes it's better handling it on your own.

Ok, sorry for the rude comments but I think
it's a little dumb saying a thing like that.

And it looks like you can't handle it yourself, atleast
not as good as you might if you got help according
to the thread starter

freeadultcontent · 10-30-2003, 05:12 PM

ahhh fuck it, argue over it.

DarkJedi · 10-30-2003, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Armed & Hammered

Dumbass, nice way to over-simplify the matter. I'm just saying that for one reason or another, sometimes it's better handling it on your own.

well, right now they suck at handling it

Babaganoosh · 10-30-2003, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jeroman

Ok, sorry for the rude comments but I think
it's a little dumb saying a thing like that.

And it looks like you can't handle it yourself, atleast
not as good as you might if you got help according
to the thread starter

Oh fuck, you're Swedish. I should have known. Carry on.

<IMX> · 10-30-2003, 05:17 PM

you're catching on

Quote:

Originally posted by freeadultcontent
ahhh fuck it, argue over it.

nemesis · 10-30-2003, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Armed & Hammered
Who cares? They didn't want our help when they had a submarine resting at the bottom of the ocean full of Russian sailors.

Russia probably did not want Usa's help becuase it was a submarine, what country would want potential enemy to access their submarine. These two things are completely different.

freeadultcontent · 10-30-2003, 05:25 PM

Damn cant you all go attack one of the other board dweebs besides each other?

Few simple things to consider since I guess there are not california people arguing about this, or people who do not understand forest fires.

The fire is about the size of Rhode island, it will take a bit to gain control no matter what. Pull out a map and think about that.

Politics are just an easy excuse that sells news. If it honestly would help it would be here. The president has zero to do with it and Grey Davis has nothing to loose politically.

There is no way to refill the plane after its initial drop. Assuming you trucked it in, the time and man power wasted would out do what several small planes would accomplish in the lost time.

The plane is way to big to make the proper fast desent into a canyon and pull out before crashing and making matters worse. If it is droped by a higher altitude it will vaporish and just fuel the fire.

Language barriers and comand issues between the CDF air command and ground captains and the pilots would also make these types of flights dangerous to all air craft in use over the fires and firefighters on the ground.

Babaganoosh · 10-30-2003, 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by nemesis

Russia probably did not want Usa's help becuase it was a submarine, what country would want potential enemy to access their submarine. These two things are completely different.

Yet another moron who completely missed the point.

genomega · 10-30-2003, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DarkJedi
THE AIRPLANE MIGHT INTERFERE WITH THE LAWS BUSH AND CO. WANT PASSED TO ALLOW INCREASED LOGGING BY GREEDY JEWS.

Frankly, I'm outraged," says Robinson. "This has been going on over six years. The Forest Service has refused to allow this plane into this country for fire fighting. It's a modern aircraft, a four-engine jet. It covers an area the size of 12 football fields with one
10-second drop [of liquid v water or retardant]. It puts a fireline down 300 feet wide and 3,900 feet long in 10 seconds.

It would have saved every community in Colorado and Arizona this year. It would have saved those 300 homes in Los Alamos two years ago."

Robinson said that two years ago during the Cerro Grande fire near Los Alamos, EMERCOM had two planes sitting on the runway in Moscow, fully crewed, each plane having three eight-man crews, ready to take off. They had been requested by FEMA, but at the last minute, FEMA told them they weren't needed after all.

The Associated Press reported that then-District IX FEMA director Buddy Young went to the fire and publicly announced, "You will not bring the Russian planes in here: We're not having any Russians coming here and fighting our fires."

Without the greedy jews there would be a loss of millions of jobs.

If it were up to me you and your buddies the earth firsters, seirra club and the elf would be paying to fight these fires.

I would not be suprised if the elf did not have a hand in starting
these fires. Arson seems to be their tool of choice.

Scootermuze · 10-30-2003, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by nemesis

Russia probably did not want Usa's help becuase it was a submarine, what country would want potential enemy to access their submarine. These two things are completely different.

It wasn't "Russia" .. It was one man, and the Russians were incredibly pissed at him for handling the matter the way he did..

spamofon · 10-30-2003, 07:24 PM

Elli · 10-30-2003, 08:34 PM

It was all over the radio news in Vancouver, Canada yesterday that the Forest Fire Fighting Centre (or whatever it's called) has NOT received any serious inquiries from the United States regarding any aircraft, although we have plenty that would be helpful.

Food for thought.

Elli · 10-30-2003, 08:43 PM

More food for thought:

http://www.news1130.com/cp/Internati...9034?stat=ckwx
"Officials turned down request to help fight beetle infestation as fires began
October 30, 2003 - 7:25 pm

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) - Just as the Southern California wildfires were beginning late last week, the federal government quietly turned down a six-month-old emergency request by Gov. Gray Davis for help in removing dead and dying trees in the same forests now being consumed by flame.

In April, Davis asked for a federal emergency declaration in three counties where bark beetle infestation had left huge swaths of dense woodland vulnerable to fire.

If approved, the presidential proclamation would have paved the way for millions of dollars in federal support for clearing dead trees in San Diego, Riverside and San Bernardino counties.
"

myjah · 10-30-2003, 09:28 PM

personally, i am not very fond of the idea of Russians (or any other country) coming into America with a huge plane that they can fill with liquid and dispense onto us from the air. Seems just a little risky from several standpoints.

genomega · 10-30-2003, 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Elli
More food for thought:

http://www.news1130.com/cp/Internati...9034?stat=ckwx
"Officials turned down request to help fight beetle infestation as fires began
October 30, 2003 - 7:25 pm

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) - Just as the Southern California wildfires were beginning late last week, the federal government quietly turned down a six-month-old emergency request by Gov. Gray Davis for help in removing dead and dying trees in the same forests now being consumed by flame.

In April, Davis asked for a federal emergency declaration in three counties where bark beetle infestation had left huge swaths of dense woodland vulnerable to fire.

If approved, the presidential proclamation would have paved the way for millions of dollars in federal support for clearing dead trees in San Diego, Riverside and San Bernardino counties.
"

Nope, the screwballs would go to their crazy judges and have it blocked before the ink was dry.

abadfish · 10-30-2003, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by myjah
personally, i am not very fond of the idea of Russians (or any other country) coming into America with a huge plane that they can fill with liquid and dispense onto us from the air. Seems just a little risky from several standpoints.

What the hell are you talking about?

myjah · 10-31-2003, 06:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by abadfish

What the hell are you talking about?

read the fuckin post asshole. i'm talkin about Russia coming into the US with a plane filled with fuckin liquid. And then dumping the shit on us. I don't feel so good about allowing them access to do that.
Do you understand me now?

JamesK · 10-31-2003, 06:35 AM

dumb americans

JamesK · 10-31-2003, 06:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by myjah

read the fuckin post asshole. i'm talkin about Russia coming into the US with a plane filled with fuckin liquid. And then dumping the shit on us. I don't feel so good about allowing them access to do that.
Do you understand me now?

no comment -- that's just too dumb

ControlThy · 10-31-2003, 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by myjah

read the fuckin post asshole. i'm talkin about Russia coming into the US with a plane filled with fuckin liquid. And then dumping the shit on us. I don't feel so good about allowing them access to do that.
Do you understand me now?

No, I don't understand.

Are you still stuck in the Cold-War era?

andi_germany · 10-31-2003, 07:21 AM

Hey if you American rather have half of california burned down instead of anyone helping guess so be it. I am only sorry about the poor souls who lost their lives already and the many more who lost their homes and never had a say if or if not others should help..

myjah · 10-31-2003, 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ControlThy

No, I don't understand.

Are you still stuck in the Cold-War era?

oh come on - the thought of them dumping chemicals or gas doesn't bother anybody? i shudder to think who might be interested in filling that plane with something other than just water.
And by the way smart ass - the Cold war era was
"A state of rivalry and tension between two factions, groups, or individuals that stops short of open, violent confrontation."

so basically during that time, NO VIOLENCE occured- so wtf does that have to do with what i'm talking about?

ControlThy · 10-31-2003, 08:28 AM

Lets just let Californa burn-down completely because Myjah is too paranoid.

myjah · 10-31-2003, 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ControlThy

Seek help, you seem to be paranoid.

where the fuck do you live "Never, Never Land"? I seem to remember a war that just recently took place and some terrorist attacks on MY country. get a clue

ControlThy · 10-31-2003, 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by myjah

where the fuck do you live "Never, Never Land"? I seem to remember a war that just recently took place and some terrorist attacks on MY country. get a clue

Oh the Russians were behind September the 11th?

Sorry, I did not know.

uno · 10-31-2003, 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by hyatla
Oh, that's why I heard it all over the news: logging, logging, logging... Why don't we just cut the Bushs?

Growing hemp will solveall our problems.

myjah · 10-31-2003, 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ControlThy

Oh the Russians were behind September the 11th?

Sorry, I did not know.

never said that. just think we should take precautions with all foreign countries. now try to find something in that to fucking argue with.

Trax · 10-31-2003, 08:44 AM

wired discussion here

ControlThy · 10-31-2003, 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by myjah

never said that. just think we should take precautions with all foreign countries. now try to find something in that to fucking argue with.

Precautions?
You seem to want to refuse any external help to assist in fighting the fires in California.

So, please define "precautions".

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